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The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
The DTC Podcast Network
47 episodes
1 week ago
Welcome to The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, or as we've been calling it, TWBERP. Dive into weekly episodes designed to help new and seasoned email and retention marketers make the most out of their email program. Get educated, get inspired, and get your notebook ready because you've got some work to do. Hosted by Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon on the DTC Podcast Network.
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Welcome to The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, or as we've been calling it, TWBERP. Dive into weekly episodes designed to help new and seasoned email and retention marketers make the most out of their email program. Get educated, get inspired, and get your notebook ready because you've got some work to do. Hosted by Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon on the DTC Podcast Network.
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The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 46: The Only Browse Abandon Email You'll Ever Need

Think your browse abandonment email is doing the job? Think again.


In this episode, Jordan breaks down the only browse abandon flow you’ll ever need—from trigger to send timing, segmentation, and dynamic content strategy—so you stop leaving easy revenue on the table.


You’ll learn:

How to time emails to hug buying intent without feeling pushy

The 5 dynamic merchandising types that actually drive clicks (and which to avoid)

Why subject lines are the secret to higher on-page conversion, not just opens

How to turn a “maybe later” shopper into a customer without discounting too soon


If you’ve got a weak, one-and-done browse abandon, this is your blueprint for building a revenue machine that runs on autopilot.


#EmailMarketing #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceTips #EcommerceGrowth #MarketingAutomation #MarketingStrategy #CustomerRetention #ConversionRateOptimization #EcommerceStrategy #EmailAutomation #CustomerEngagement #EcomTips #ShopifyStores #EmailDesign #EmailFlows #AbandonedCart #LifecycleMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTCGrowth #EcommerceConversions #BrowseAbandon #AbandonmentEmail #BrowseRecovery #EmailFlowsThatConvert #RetentionEmail #CustomerLifecycle #Klaviyo #KlaviyoFlows #EcommerceRetention #EmailOptimization #TriggeredEmails #LifecycleEmailMarketing #RetentionTactics #RetentionRevenue #FlowOptimization #EmailRevenue #DTCEmail #DTCStrategies


00:00 – Introduction

00:55 – The #1 mistake brands make with browse abandon emails

04:12 – Trigger logic that catches shoppers before they’re gone for good

08:47 – The “20 minutes + 8 hours” timing rule for maximum intent

13:15 – Why your subject line impacts revenue more than open rates

20:50 – Dynamic merchandising types that actually drive clicks

27:45 – Funnel Flusher: the last-chance email that recovers lost revenue

35:40 – The “no prices in email” rule that saves you from costly mistakes


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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6 days ago
38 minutes 44 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 45: 7 Post-Click Metrics to Benchmark Your Funnel: Journey Metrics Crash Course

Need to know—fast—whether your funnel’s working? In this episode, Jordan shares the exact system he used to audit 100+ ecommerce sites in just two days.

 

It’s a crash course in post-click performance: the 7 key metrics that tell you if your site is converting, retaining revenue, and setting you up for repeat purchases.


You’ll learn:

  • How to measure funnel health in minutes, not hours
  • Which metrics vary wildly by business model (and which don’t)
  • How discount rate, return rate, and completion rate connect
  • Why Klaviyo’s attribution data tells only part of the story
  • What high-performing homepages, PDPs, and carts have in common

 

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro and Purpose of the Metrics Framework

02:00 Moving to Port Alberni and Merging CRO with Email Retention

04:00 Grouping Accounts by Business Model and Funnel Benchmarks

06:00 Key Metrics Overview: From Load Time to Klaviyo Revenue

12:00 Real-World Use Case for Assessing Site Performance

16:00 Interpreting Cart Add and Conversion Rate Benchmarks

22:00 Discount, Return, and Completion Rate Analysis

28:00 Klaviyo Revenue Attribution Explained

34:00 Meta and Google’s Role in Your Post-Click Metrics

44:00 Qualitative Site Walkthrough: Homepage to Checkout


Hashtags:

#Ecommerce #RetentionMarketing #CustomerJourney #FunnelOptimization #ConversionRateOptimization #EmailMarketing #Klaviyo #CRO #Benchmarking #PostClickMetrics #DataDrivenMarketing #EcomAnalytics #TWBERP #WorldsBestEmailRetentionPodcast #MarketingPodcast #DTCMarketing


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast⁠

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1 week ago
50 minutes 11 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 44: Stock the Pond, Fill the Funnel, Make Money: How retention keeps revenue flowing

In this follow-up to our ecosystems deep dive, Jordan breaks down how a strong retention system—email, SMS, and CRO—can keep revenue flowing even when acquisition slows.


You’ll learn how to measure your persistent revenue ecosystem, track key funnel stages (from new address to repeat buyer), and spot the hidden ROI of brand equity.


Plus: real data, cohort math, and a reminder that retention is a methodology, not a channel.


Timestamps:

00:00 Customer retention as a growth strategy

02:00 What is the persistent revenue ecosystem?

05:00 Why ecosystems must be multi-channel

09:00 Understanding your retention funnel

13:00 New vs repeat buyer data deep dive

20:00 Real-world brand example: cutting top-of-funnel spend

23:00 Turning new addresses into repeat buyers

25:00 Final thoughts on persistent revenue strategies


Hashtags:

#EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #EcommerceGrowth #LifecycleMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DigitalEcosystems #MarketingStrategy #DTCBrands #RevenueOptimization #EmailStrategy #CRO #SMSMarketing #MarketingFunnels #BrandEquity #MarketingPodcast #TWBERP #Pilothouse #DTCNetwork


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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2 weeks ago
25 minutes 32 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 43: Emails Should Inspire, Not Blend In: Discussing Minimalism vs. Maximalism in Email Design

Why do so many fashion brands use the exact same email template? In this episode, Jordan Gordon unpacks the rise of bland, minimalist design in email marketing AND makes the case for bold, expressive, brand-driven creative.


From black-and-white hero shots to transparent CTAs, we break down why inbox sameness is suffocating creativity, and how maximalist design can reignite brand recall, retention, and revenue.


If you want your emails to stand out, inspire, and convert, this one’s for you.


Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Pilothouse’s Retention Philosophy

02:00 Why Every Brand Is Using the Same Email Template

07:00 The Real Purpose of Campaign Emails

12:00 Adding Beauty to the Inbox Through Design

18:00 The Advantage of Small Brands in Email Creativity

25:00 Maximalism in Email: NBA's Bold Approach

29:00 Final Thoughts on Brand Recall and Free Traffic


Hashtags:

#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #DTCMarketing #EmailDesign #BrandStrategy #MarketingDesign #CustomerRetention #MarketingPodcast #InboxInspiration #DigitalBranding #MinimalismVsMaximalism #CreativeMarketing


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

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3 weeks ago
30 minutes 32 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 42: Optimizing for Profit, Not Just Conversion Rate

Most brands look at their global conversion rate and panic—but what if that number doesn’t actually mean what you think it does?


In this episode, Jordan sits down with Evan O’Gorman, former head of CRO at Pilothouse, to talk about why conversion rate alone is a misleading success metric—and what to focus on instead if you want to drive real profit.


They cover:

✅ How traffic source and intent shape your funnel

✅ Why retention plays a bigger role in CRO than you think

✅ Common mistakes brands make when optimizing their site

✅ The importance of buyer segmentation, bundling, and LTV

✅ How to align ad, email, and site strategy for long-term growth


If you care about profitable growth, this one’s for you.


Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction: Why Global Conversion Rate is Misleading

03:00 Full Funnel CRO: Beyond Just Website Testing

07:00 Breaking Down Traffic Source Impact on Conversion

13:00 Time to Purchase and Retargeting Strategies

21:00 Optimizing AOV with Rebuy and Klaviyo

28:00 Aligning CRO and Retention for Maximum Profit

33:00 Why Optimizing Bottom-of-Funnel Impacts Your Entire Business


Hashtags:

#CRO #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #DTCGrowth #ConversionRateOptimization #FullFunnelMarketing #CustomerRetention #ShopifyOptimization #EmailMarketing #PerformanceMarketing #EcomTips #DTCBrand #MarketingPodcast #GrowthMarketing #EcommercePodcast #AOV #LTV #MarketingStrategy #Pilothouse


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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1 month ago
38 minutes 22 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 41: List Growth, Fingerprints, Spam Flags, and What Actually Works

In this episode, Jordan breaks down the world of offsite email capture tools: how they use fingerprinting to add contacts without a direct opt-in, why they can be a top source of spam complaints, and how brands are using them to unlock real revenue.


You’ll learn:

  • What these tools actually do behind the scenes
  • Why they can be risky—and how to avoid deliverability damage
  • How to set them up right (if you’re going to use them)
  • What metrics matter when calculating true ROI


Timestamps:

00:00 - Why retention beats acquisition

02:00 - How these list growth tools work

06:00 - The risks of spam complaints

12:00 - Attribution vs. actual revenue

18:00 - Segmentation strategies to protect sender reputation

21:00 - When list growth tools are actually worth it


Hashtags:

#EmailMarketing #ListGrowth #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #Deliverability #MarketingTools #Fingerprinting #SpamComplaints #DTCMarketing #CustomerRetention #EmailGrowth #MarketingStrategy #Pilothouse #DTCBrands #MarketingPodcast



Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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1 month ago
23 minutes 6 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 40: Scale the Ecosystem, Scale the Brand

Your ecommerce brand isn’t just running campaigns—it’s running an ecosystem.


In this episode, Jordan breaks down the three interconnected digital ecosystems every brand relies on:

🧱 The Persistent Revenue Ecosystem

💰 The Advertising Revenue Ecosystem

📣 The Brand Awareness Ecosystem


Learn how they interact, how to measure them, and what happens when one breaks down. From campaign strategy and CRO to email flows and brand impressions, this is the foundational episode that ties it all together.


If you’ve ever wondered why your growth feels stuck—or why your ROAS is slipping despite strong creative—this episode will show you where to look.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro and Why Email & Retention Matters

02:00 Rethinking the Marketing Funnel as an Ecosystem

08:00 The Persistent Revenue Ecosystem Explained

17:00 Why Campaigns Aren’t for Revenue

27:00 The Role of Your Established Audience

30:00 What Makes Advertising Revenue Ecosystems Work

36:00 Building Brand Awareness Through Email

44:00 Testing and CRO for Homepage vs. PDP

47:00 The Full Ecosystem Recap


Hashtags:

#EcommerceMarketing #DigitalEcosystem #RetentionMarketing #EmailMarketing #DTCBrands #CRO #AdStrategy #Klaviyo #ShopifyBrands #MarketingPodcast #CustomerRetention #GrowthMarketing #BrandAwareness #PaidSocial #PerformanceMarketing #DTCStrategy #MarketingEcosystem #MarketingOps #EcommerceGrowth #TWBERP


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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1 month ago
48 minutes 51 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 39: How to Keep Customers

Most brands lose customers by default. The real question is: how do you keep them?


In this episode, Jordan reframes customer retention—not as a marketing tactic, but as a holistic experience. From bounce-back offers to lost game pieces (yes, really), we dig into the trifecta of true retention: your product, your support, and your follow-up.


Learn why post-purchase CX is your most underrated revenue lever, how to create “I’ll buy again” moments, and why a Spotify playlist might do more than a discount ever could.


Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Customer Retention and Pilothouse

02:00 Why the Default Is to Lose Customers

04:00 Bounce Back Coupons and the First Five Minutes

06:00 Timing and Triggers for Repeat Purchases

09:00 How Customer Support Impacts Retention

12:00 Creating Better Experiences with Small Touches

15:00 The Customer Retention Trifecta: Product, Support, Promotions

18:00 Using Zero and First-Party Data for Segmentation

20:00 Building a Dune Imperium Email Strategy

22:00 Thought Leadership and Ecosystem Building

24:00 Discounts as the Final Nudge in the Purchase Journey


Hashtags:

#CustomerRetention #EcommerceTips #EmailMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #CXStrategy #RetentionMarketing #PostPurchase #DTCBrands #MarketingPodcast #GrowthMarketing #CustomerExperience #DigitalMarketing #ShopifyBrands #BrandLoyalty #TWBERP


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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1 month ago
25 minutes 20 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 38: Stop Double Tapping Unengaged Addresses (And How to Do It Right)

If you’re still hitting “resend to non-openers,” this one’s for you.


In this episode, Jordan delivers a no-holds-barred message of mercy to email marketers everywhere: Stop double tapping cold addresses.


He breaks down exactly how this tactic tanks your sender reputation, why Gmail (and Yahoo) are punishing your list, and what to do instead.


You’ll learn:

  • Why 3.14% open rates are a red flag (not just a bad day)
  • How Gmail samples your sends—and what happens when you fail
  • Smarter, higher-performing ways to double tap without damaging your deliverability
  • The underrated power of sending to your most engaged users


If you care about long-term inboxing, revenue, and customer relationships… this episode is required listening.


Timestamps:

00:00 - Why Double Tapping Non-Openers Hurts Deliverability

02:00 - Understanding Gmail’s Inboxing Algorithm

06:00 - How Pulling Engaged Users Harms Campaigns

10:00 - The Dangerous Impact on Sending Reputation

16:00 - What to Do Instead of Double Tapping

20:00 - Radical Tip: Send to Clickers, Not Non-Openers

24:00 - Safer Alternative: Resend to All with New Subject Line

27:00 - Automations vs. Double Taps

30:00 - Final Rant and Real Fixes for Better Email Results


Hashtags:

#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DeliverabilityMatters #InboxStrategy #EmailListHealth #MarketingMistakes #DoubleTapDisaster #EngagementOverEverything #DTCMarketing #SpamFolderSurvival #OpenRates #EmailTips #RetentionWins #MarketingStrategy #Pilothouse


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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2 months ago
31 minutes 19 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 37: They Subscribed. Now What? Welcome Emails Reviewed | TWBERP

Your welcome email might be costing you customers.


In this episode, Jordan breaks down real welcome flows—from brands like Whoop and BC Liquor—to show what works, what doesn’t, and why some emails miss the mark.


Jordan covers design vs. marketing, how to write for low-intent subscribers, and why clarity always beats cleverness. Whether you're sending a sleek intro or dangling a discount, your welcome email needs to work harder. Let’s make it convert.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro: Why First Impressions in Email Matter

02:00 Gmail Dark Mode Design Issues

04:00 Outway Welcome Email Breakdown

07:00 Kith’s Unique Omnichannel Email Approach

10:00 Subject Line Specificity Debate

13:00 Cart, Checkout, and Browse Abandon Logic

16:00 Breeze Email Breakdown: Clarity and Copy Issues

22:00 Obvi’s Use of Social Proof and Visual Hierarchy

25:00 Everlane’s High-Converting Subject Line Strategy

30:00 Felix & Norton: Where Design Overshadows Clarity

34:00 Whoop: Sleek Design, But Missing Value Proposition

37:00 BC Liquor: Surprisingly Effective Government Email

38:30 Final Takeaways on Welcome Flows and Email Psychology


Hashtags:

#EmailMarketing #WelcomeEmail #RetentionMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #DTCMarketing #EcommerceTips #MarketingStrategy #EmailDesign #CustomerRetention #MarketingPodcast


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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2 months ago
39 minutes 39 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 36: Retention Programs for Different Cohort Profiles | TWBERP

Not all customers are created equal—and your retention strategy shouldn't be either.


In this episode, we break down how to build retention programs tailored to different buyer cohorts: one-and-done shoppers, repeat buyers, and product subscribers.


You'll learn how to guide each group through targeted flows that increase LTV, boost replenishment rates, and move buyers toward high-value behaviors—without relying on a default subscribe-and-save.


We cover:

– The "one-two punch" replenishment strategy

– Why subscription shouldn't be your first move

– Using cohort data to shape your lifecycle marketing

– How to scale retention systems without overcomplicating them


Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

02:00 Acquisition vs. Retention Campaigns

04:00 Building Evergreen Email Sequences

06:00 Balanced Businesses and Repeat Purchases

09:00 Classic Retention Profiles in Ecommerce

12:00 Subscription-Based Retention Tactics

15:00 Crafting a Product Subscription Strategy

17:00 SMS and Email for Subscription Success

20:00 Scaling Retention with Cohort Analysis


Hashtags:

#EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #EcommerceMarketing #LifecycleMarketing #RetentionStrategy #DTCBrands #ShopifyTips #SubscriptionBusiness #CohortAnalysis #MarketingPodcast #GrowthMarketing #ReplenishmentStrategy #EmailFlows #SMSMarketing #RetentionMarketing


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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2 months ago
37 minutes 41 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 35: From Mad Men to Modern Media: Which Ad Beliefs Still Hold Up? | TWBERP

Are the boldest beliefs in advertising still true?


In this episode, we put iconic marketing quotes to the test—from Mad Men-era mantras to algorithm-era hot takes. Guest Avery Valerio (former political strategist and creative lead) joins Jordan Gordon to play a rapid-fire round of true or false on everything from propaganda to personalization.


We dig into:

Whether ads shape culture—or just reflect it

How much your family really influences your buying

Why modern marketing feels less human than it used to

And what beliefs advertisers should finally let go of


This one’s part philosophy, part punchy takes, and all signal.


00:00 – Introduction

03:44 – Dalí’s surrealist lollipop logo story

06:06 – Got Milk’s “absence marketing” insight

15:37 – Prestige vs authenticity (The Ordinary’s eggs)

37:05 – Budweiser backyard ads and symbolic conditioning

48:40 – Fragrance ads and subconscious dreams



#AdvertisingTruths #MarketingStrategy #BrandLoyalty #ConsumerBehavior #AdPsychology #DigitalMarketing #MarketingHistory #MadMenToAlgorithms #MarketingPodcast #BusinessGrowth #MarketingInsights #AdvertisingQuotes #MarketingTruths #ScalingBusiness #EntrepreneurPodcast #MarketingCulture #EchoChambers #PoliticalMarketing #MarketingTrends #ConsumerTrends


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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2 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 47 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 34: Come for the Cookware, Stay for the Content: Inside Hestan’s Retention Strategy | TWBERP

How does a luxury cookware brand earn a 40% repeat customer rate? In this episode, Christina Chonody, Senior Director of Marketing at Hestan, breaks down how her team uses email, content, and culinary storytelling to build long-term customer relationships. From Michelin-starred chef partnerships to a content strategy that goes beyond the pan, Christina shares how Hestan balances performance and brand — and why “just sending emails” is never the strategy.


Whether you’re selling $20 spatulas or $2,000 sets, this is a masterclass in retention-led growth.


0:00 Introduction: Hestan's Repeat Rate Hits 40%

2:58 Christina’s Culinary Background and Brand Passion

6:15 Why Nanobond Cookware Changes the Kitchen Game

8:05 Building Brand Equity Over a Multi-Year Horizon

11:45 How Hestan Uses Content to Drive Long-Term Retention

16:10 HTML vs. Design-Heavy Emails: What Really Works

19:05 Syncing Paid and Email: Messaging by Channel

25:55 What Doesn’t Work in Ads (But Crushes in Email)


#EmailMarketing #CustomerRetention #DTCMarketing #LuxuryBranding #ContentMarketingStrategy #BrandEquity #LifecycleMarketing #HestanCookware #EcommerceGrowth #RetentionMarketing #MarketingPodcast #DTCBrands #CulinaryMarketing #DigitalStrategy #BrandStorytelling


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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3 months ago
37 minutes 43 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 33: Clicks, Opens, Purchases, and Bot Traffic: What Email Platforms Aren’t Telling You | TWBERP

In this episode, Jordan Gordon sits down to untangle one of the most misunderstood aspects of email marketing: what counts as a click, an open, and an order—and why none of your platforms agree.Jordan brings a tactical teardown of the technical side of email engagement and attribution. If you’ve ever wondered why Klaviyo, Shopify, and GA4 show different numbers—or how much of your reported open rate is real—this episode is essential listening.You’ll Learn:The technical difference between a click, session, and visit—and why each system treats them differentlyHow bot clicks and Apple privacy opens distort your engagement metricsWhat’s actually happening when an email is opened and a pixel is firedHow to think about attribution across Klaviyo, Shopify, GA4, and Triple WhaleWhy unique clicks are cleaner than click rates, and when to use eachThe truth about platform revenue attribution—and why it’s always inflated[00:00] – Introduction[01:45] – What a click technically is[06:00] – Difference between clicks, sessions, and visits[08:50] – Role of UTM parameters[13:20] – Bot clicks and why unique clicks matter more[15:40] – Attribution models explained[22:50] – How email opens actually work[30:00] – How the internet works (engaging and educational)[40:25] – The truth about email deliverability vs inboxing[50:00] – Platform revenue vs net revenue vs attributed revenue#EmailMarketing #AttributionModeling #Klaviyo #DTCMarketing #RetentionMarketing #CustomerRetention #LifecycleMarketing #EcommerceAnalytics #MarketingAttribution #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #PerformanceMarketing #EmailStrategy #DTCGrowth #MarketingData TWBERP:Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcastSubscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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3 months ago
53 minutes 27 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 32: Mail App Wars: Apple vs. Gmail + Jordan Makes a Big Life Change | TWBERP

In this episode, Jordan breaks down why he’s switching from Gmail to Apple Mail for his personal email—and why this matters deeply for anyone running a DTC email program.


Using Frye Company as the benchmark, he explores how your brand’s emails appear in different environments and reveals the hidden pitfalls of Gmail dark mode, annotations, and clipping that can undercut your entire retention strategy.


Key Takeaways:

Why Gmail dark mode breaks your design—and how to fix it.

Apple Mail’s clean design boosts click-through and brand perception.

Gmail annotations often misfire, displaying outdated promos.

Email clipping in Gmail hurts UX and performance.

How to analyze mobile vs desktop open rates for better UX targeting.


00:00 – Introduction

01:00 – Why I’m switching to Apple Mail

04:30 – Gmail dark mode email design issues

08:15 – Full bleed images vs padding

15:00 – Gmail annotations explained (and their downside)

20:00 – Apple Mail UX and search comparison

27:00 – Email clipping deep dive


#DTC #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DigitalMarketing #EcommerceTips #InboxOptimization #GmailDarkMode #AppleMail #CustomerExperience #UXDesign #EmailDesign #MobileFirst #MarketingTech #MarketingStrategy #DirectToConsumer


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

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3 months ago
32 minutes 49 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 31: Behind Frye’s Emails: Design and Strategy | TWBERP

In this episode, we take a close look at the email marketing content of one of the biggest names in fashion: Frye. We dissect their approach to email design, messaging, and strategy to uncover what makes their emails so effective.


From visually stunning designs to clear, concise calls-to-action, Frye’s emails offer plenty of inspiration for anyone looking to improve their email marketing game. Join Jordan as he breaks down the key elements of their campaigns and explores how their email content could serve as a model for ecommerce brands.


0:00 – Introduction

1:00 – Overview of Frye’s Brand & Email Strategy

4:00 – First Impressions of Frye’s Emails

7:30 – Deep Dive into Email Design

10:00 – Messaging & Copy Strategy

13:30 – Calls-to-Action & Engagement

16:00 – Personalization & Customer Connection

18:30 – Lessons for Other Ecommerce Brands


#EmailMarketing #EcommerceMarketing #Frye #EmailDesign #EmailStrategy #MarketingTips #DigitalMarketing #BrandStrategy #EcommerceTips #MarketingPodcast #EmailCampaigns #CustomerEngagement #MarketingAnalysis #EcommerceGrowth #EmailContent #Personalization #MarketingInsights #ContentStrategy #MarketingForBrands #EcommerceSuccess #MarketingBreakdown #BrandBuilding #RetailMarketing #FashionMarketing #EmailCopywriting


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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3 months ago
28 minutes 41 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 30: Opens, Clicks & Privacy Myths: GlockApps CEO on the Truth About Email Metrics | TWBERP

Are your email metrics telling the whole story?


In this episode of TWBERP, we sit down with Alex Arnaut, CEO of GlockApps, to unpack the hidden truths behind open rates, clicks, and deliverability.


From spam folder traps to reputation pitfalls, this conversation will change the way you think about email performance — and show you what really matters.


0:00 – Introduction

2:00 – Open Rates Are Unreliable

4:30 – Why Apple’s Mail Privacy Protection Makes Open Rates Misleading

7:00 – The Myth of “Machine Opens” and Their Impact

9:00 – The Disconnect Between Clicks and Opens

11:30 – Understanding the Role of Email Segmentation

14:30 – False Attribution and the Impact on Email Metrics

17:30 – Optimizing for Real Engagement in Email Campaigns


#EmailMarketing #EmailMetrics #EmailDeliverability #MarketingTips #GlockApps #EmailSegmentation #OpenRates #EmailCampaigns #DigitalMarketing #EmailStrategy #EmailListBuilding #EmailMarketingStrategy #GlockAppsCEO #MarketingPodcast #EmailMyths #EmailMarketingTips #EmailOptimization #EcommerceMarketing #MarketingPodcast #RetentionMarketing #B2CMarketing


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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3 months ago
57 minutes 38 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
EP 29: PART 2: How Pilothouse Connects Meta & Email for Spend Efficiency & Scalable Growth | TBWERP

In this episode, Jordan sits down with Abby Kohler, account strategist at Pilothouse, to dive deep into how brands should be thinking about media buying and retention in 2025.


With economic volatility, tariffs, and rising acquisition costs, Abby shares why it's critical to build robust post-click systems—flows, segmentation, messaging—before scaling spend. She details Pilothouse's internal cross-channel playbooks: how email campaigns turn into presell pages, how Meta ads fuel Klaviyo segmentation, and how feedback loops across retention and paid media create compounding ROAS benefits.


Key Highlights:

Persona-led creative and messaging loops

How to AB test email timing windows to improve flow performance

Real examples of Meta targeting using Klaviyo engagement data

Scaling down spend without losing revenue

How Canadian brands are using patriotic messaging for a conversion bump


If you’re scaling a DTC brand and want your email, site, and ads to actually work together—this is the episode.


00:00 – Introduction

08:00 – What wasted ad spend looks like when flows are broken

11:00 – Turning an email campaign into a high-converting landing page

17:00 – Using Klaviyo openers and unsubscribers for Meta targeting

26:00 – Personalization through quiz-style popups

44:00 – The Febreze story and buying psychology


#DTCMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #RetentionMarketing #MetaAds #EmailMarketing #CustomerAcquisition #PerformanceMarketing #Klaviyo #MediaBuying #ShopifyBrands #DirectToConsumer #LifecycleMarketing #DigitalMarketingTips #MarketingStrategy #ScalingEcommerce


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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4 months ago
58 minutes 40 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 28: 50% Off Flow Builds & More - PART 1: Use Automation and Coordinated Management to Improve Spend Efficiency | TWBERP

Hey listeners! The episode Jordan references with Abby from Pilothouse will be coming tomorrow, so keep your eyes peeled.


In this episode, Jordan Gordon announces an exclusive 50% off flow build promo, “Go With The Flow.” He also explains the economic rationale for why now is the best time to invest in your retention systems.


Jordan unpacks:

Why economic uncertainty demands a shift to more efficient revenue generation

How Pilothouse clients with email + retention saw 60% of their growth driven by repeat customers

Five flexible, value-driven management tiers to meet brands at different growth stages

Why consolidation under one roof (meta, Google, retention) leads to executional synergy and better performance


Key Takeaways:

Understanding cyclical vs. secular downturns and their implications on strategy

Flow-focused retention can replace campaign volume with smarter automation

Segment-and-deploy and campaign build ramp-ups offer scalable retention help

How integrated channel strategies beat siloed agency structures


#EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #DTCMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #CustomerRetention #MarketingAutomation #PerformanceMarketing #MarketingEfficiency #DigitalMarketingStrategy #EcommerceStrategy #LifecycleMarketing #PilotHouse #SpendEfficiency #FlowBuilds


00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:15 – Jordan’s opening economic breakdown and rationale for the promo

00:10:30 – Breakdown of the internal study on year-over-year growth sources

00:21:00 – The case for consolidating agency services under one roof

00:27:00 – Multi-channel flow-focused management explained

00:34:00 – Google + Email synergy explained with clear funnel logic


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

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4 months ago
36 minutes 27 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Ep 27: Boost Revenue Now: Practical Email Wins for DTC Brands | TWBERP

In this episode of TWBERP, Jordan Gordon of Pilothouse breaks down the right and wrong ways to drive immediate revenue through email. If your brand is under pressure to grow—or simply survive—the temptation is to ramp up email sends or discount your way to short-term wins.


But that strategy kills long-term brand equity and inbox placement.


Jordan explains how brands can actually get more revenue from their email program, starting today, without harming their digital ecosystem.


Key Takeaways:

Why inbox placement is the most reliable lever for short-term and long-term growth

How to clean your segments and shorten engagement windows for better performance

Smarter campaign strategy: add content-based emails to build trust and get clicks

How to analyze your repeat buyer base and understand true retention

What attribution metrics are flawed and how to benchmark real email impact


00:00 – Introduction

“When a metric becomes a target…” (on attribution pitfalls)

13:00 – The false promise of more campaigns without engagement strategy

21:00 – How to use 7-day click attribution to expose false Klaviyo data

33:45 – “The easiest way to get inbox placement…” (tactical content guidance)

38:00 – Email “bankruptcy” method for bad flows


#DTC #EmailMarketing #RetentionMarketing #EcommerceStrategy #KlaviyoTips #CustomerRetention #InboxPlacement #DigitalMarketing #CRO #LifecycleMarketing #MarketingAutomation #GrowthMarketing #EcommerceGrowth #PerformanceMarketing #MarketingStrategy


Work with Pilothouse: ⁠https://www.pilothouse.co/get-in-touch?utm_source=dtc&utm_medium=podcast&utm_content=e&rPodcast⁠

Subscribe on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@DTCPodcast

Subscribe to DTC: ⁠https://www.directtoconsumer.co/⁠

Listen to DTC Podcast: ⁠https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dtcpodcast

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4 months ago
50 minutes 57 seconds

The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast
Welcome to The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast, or as we've been calling it, TWBERP. Dive into weekly episodes designed to help new and seasoned email and retention marketers make the most out of their email program. Get educated, get inspired, and get your notebook ready because you've got some work to do. Hosted by Pilothouse's Jordan Gordon on the DTC Podcast Network.