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Code to Market
Gonto and Hank
39 episodes
4 days ago
Every week, Gonto & Hank boil down the most important product, growth, and marketing learnings from what’s happening in dev tools
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Every week, Gonto & Hank boil down the most important product, growth, and marketing learnings from what’s happening in dev tools
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Business
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Code to Market
38: One small Conf Combo, please

From AI-generated badges to algorithm-killing YouTube settings, Vercel’s events were full of lessons. We talk about the rise of dual-event strategies, why practice still matters, and how conferences became brand design in motion.

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4 days ago
10 minutes 28 seconds

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37: The Right Way to Win Attention

Ramp nailed it. Clay made a polarizing play. Cluely is failing. Branding is the sum of your campaigns and positioning and critical to both getting the right attention and keeping it. From Ramp’s genius Office stunt to Clay’s risky joint-roller bit, it’s all about knowing your audience and going all in when the idea is right.

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1 week ago
17 minutes 9 seconds

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36: Drowning in DevRel Demand

Framework turned one broke developer’s tweet into millions of impressions in a masterclass in generous marketing. From there, Hank and Gonto dive into why DevRel never really died, how influencer fatigue is pushing everything back in-house, and why AI companies are stuck launching everything twice.

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1 week ago
18 minutes 18 seconds

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35: ZAG HARDER while others ZIG

A fast tour of “zags” that earn attention and still drive understanding. We break down PostHog’s playful desktop motif, PlanetScale’s crisp text-first launch page, why Tempo’s eye candy misses the mark, and a scrappy direct mail play from Browserbase. We close with hiring tactics to separate real operators from smooth talkers.


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2 weeks ago
24 minutes 19 seconds

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34: Triangle Man and the Merchants of Complexity

editors note: this was recorded a few weeks before rauchg's real drama with his Israel tweet... we might get to that (subscribe!)Hank and Gonto break down a week of developer-world drama, from DHH’s RailsWorld keynote and his “Merchants of Complexity” crusade to Vercel’s Twitter battles with Cloudflare and Levels.io. They unpack why DHH’s mix of authenticity, conviction, and controversy still works, and how Guillermo Rauch (aka Triangle Man) handled public attacks with precision and class.

They also talk about what founders can learn from these fights: why picking public battles strategically builds attention, how to join trending topics without being toxic, and why attention—not content or outbound—is the new currency of marketing.

Finally, Gonto shares how he gained 10% more followers (and a ratio from Elizabeth Holmes) by embracing the attention game, while Hank argues that thoughtful controversy is now table stakes for any devtool founder.

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4 weeks ago
19 minutes 11 seconds

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33. Browserbase's Growth Engines

Why ignoring best practices works, and why launches only matter if the product sticks.Paul Klein IV, CEO of Browserbase, on growing with launch videos, planes over OpenAI, no dark mode, and red CTA buttons.

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2 months ago
45 minutes 38 seconds

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CEO ESSENTIALS | "Ship something you're ashamed of" (Paul Klein IV, CEO @ Browserbase)

What does a second-time founder consider ESSENTIAL for taking his product to market and running his startup, Browserbase?

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2 months ago
8 minutes 54 seconds

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When Giants Fight, Underdogs Get Noticed

Cloudflare vs Perplexity heats up, and Browserbase gets pulled into the fight. We dig into Perplexity’s shaky defense, the counter-positioning angle they missed, and why people don’t fully trust either side. Browserbase came out looking sharp, not just inserting themselves but being directly named in Perplexity’s reply. Then we shift to the influencer playbook, from OpenAI’s GPT-5 launch strategy to dark social tactics, and wrap with why bragging about Gartner wins usually backfires.

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2 months ago
20 minutes 6 seconds

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31: Cloudflare vs Perplexity, Laracon Recap, & Old News

This week, we break down Cloudflare’s public callout of Perplexity and why it’s a perfect PR move for their new bot-charging feature. Hank recaps Laracon, from selling more tickets than ever to turning a golf course into a sponsor-speaker free-for-all with documentary crews, Lambo stress toys, and collectible jackets & patches. We wrap with the bizarre Astronomer saga and how a Chris Martin ex turned it into viral gold.

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2 months ago
22 minutes 32 seconds

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Devtools are Pivoting + Cluely Hype

We unpack the shift toward solopreneurs, prosumers, and "builder" personas, and what it means for onboarding, support, and product strategy.


Then we break down Cluely, the Gen-Z startup with no clear product but a massive hype engine. Does marketing your marketing work? Should every startup build a hype team? And is Cluely the Fyre Festival of devtools?

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4 months ago
22 minutes 9 seconds

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When Big Tech Copies You

Raycast got Sherlocked by Apple... or did they? We break down how they flipped the narrative from panic to power move with a killer mix of transparency, humor, and speed. Then we shift gears to talk about Accel’s video content strategy, including one about letting ScaleAI's founder live in a VC's basement. VCs are getting good at content and honestly who saw that coming?

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4 months ago
16 minutes 22 seconds

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Three Levels of Ad Landing Pages

You spent real money. The ad worked. They clicked. Now what?

In this episode, we break down how Vercel, Claude, and Statsig handled their Acquired podcast sponsorships and what happened after the click. From custom landing pages to mismatched CTAs, we dissect what worked and what didn’t.

Then we shift to launch videos. Cursor mailed it in. Sentry nailed the joke. And we explain why knowing the vibe of your product matters more than just production value.

Share with someone running ads or making a launch video.

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4 months ago
17 minutes 26 seconds

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Clark, Cringe, & Counterpositioning: Retool vs Superblocks

Two agent platforms launched within 24 hours (Retool Agents and Superblocks’s "Clark"), but only one nailed the launch & positioning. We break down why naming your AI sucks, what Superblocks did right with counterpositioning, and how Retool missed the messaging mark despite a solid(?) product. Plus, a rant on why launch videos are now table stakes and what you need to do beyond them to stand out.

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4 months ago
22 minutes 32 seconds

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PLG isn't Passive: Multi-Product Startups + AI Distribution Wars

We explore how Clerk nailed its self-service, multi-product strategy without chasing enterprise customers. Hank breaks down why great second products should eclipse your first, while Gonto highlights Clerk’s clever integration with Stripe and strategic funding.

Plus, Bolt's "Unleash the Vibes" event sets the stage for their massive hackathon, and OpenAI’s leaked strategy reveals why Meta, not Google, is their biggest threat due to unmatched distribution.

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5 months ago
24 minutes 7 seconds

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Meeting Haters at React Miami

In this episode Hank and Gonto dive into Hank's experience at React Miami, where online beefs turned surprisingly civil and a "Family Feud" parody stole the show. They also discuss Figma's head-scratching trademark battle over "DevMode," a move that ended up being less strategic genius, more meme fuel.

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6 months ago
23 minutes 23 seconds

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Hard Times for Developer Marketing

We share the wild projects, crazy constraints, and innovative pivots that turned panic into progress.

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6 months ago
36 minutes 56 seconds

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How to Hire Marketers Like Vercel, Auth0, & Laravel

Every startup struggles with this—even the best founders and teams we’ve worked with. How do you actually hire great people, build trust, and scale without turning into a slow, bloated mess? In this episode, we share the hard-earned lessons that helped us grow high-performing teams at Auth0, Vercel, Laravel, and more.

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6 months ago
22 minutes 43 seconds

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Hats, Haters, & Hackathons

Levels.io is turning vibe coding into a full-blown distribution engine—shipping fast, selling hats, running hackathons, and pulling others into his orbit. We break down what B2B founders can learn from his playbook, then dig into the Rippling vs. Deel spy scandal, Vercel’s drama with Cloudflare, and Supabase’s documentary on Bolt.new.

It's founder mode, for better or worse.

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7 months ago
26 minutes 13 seconds

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Did Laravel do a PERFECT developer marketing launch?

Gonto finally gets his chance to roast Hank's marketing launch at Laravel. How bad could it be?

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7 months ago
25 minutes 49 seconds

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Raycast launches the future while Bybit fights for survival

Raycast just launched AI Extensions, and we break down why their approach to marketing and UX is what Apple Intelligence should have been.

Then crypto story time with Gonto as he talks about the biggest crypto hack in history—$1.4 billion stolen from Bybit—and why their response was a masterclass in crisis communication. We talk about speed, transparency, and how to turn disaster into brand strength.

Plus, some thoughts on owned media, launch strategy, and the rise of B2B video marketing.

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8 months ago
21 minutes 3 seconds

Code to Market
Every week, Gonto & Hank boil down the most important product, growth, and marketing learnings from what’s happening in dev tools