When politics and policy collide with people’s livelihoods, HR leaders are often the ones left cleaning up the mess. In this episode, Stacey sits down with fractional HR leaders Anessa Fike and Morgan Williams to unpack the chaos surrounding recent presidential proclamations on H-1B visas, the newly proposed “gold card” visa, and what happens when immigration policy turns into a political weapon. They share firsthand stories from the front lines of HR during both the 2016 and 2025 crises—when rushed visa restrictions sent companies into panic mode, disrupted families overnight, and exposed how little most Americans understand about how H-1Bs actually work. From wage suppression myths to talent pipeline realities, this conversation offers the clarity and context that global companies, startup founders, and HR practitioners need right now. Key Takeaways: What the $100K H-1B fee really means for employers. Why this proclamation mirrors the 2016 immigration chaos. The human toll on workers, families, and HR teams. Why H-1B holders aren’t “stealing jobs.” How global talent drives U.S. innovation. The ripple effect on startups, STEM, and tech. What HR leaders must do when layoffs involve visas. The uncomfortable truth about “gold card” visas. How power and privilege shape who gets to stay. Why HR’s role in political turbulence matters more than ever. Timestamps: 00:00 — Welcome + Why this conversation matters 02:40 — Breaking down the new H-1B rules 05:30 — Déjà vu: echoes of 2016 08:00 — Inside HR’s panic during sudden policy shifts 13:30 — The truth about wage suppression myths 18:20 — What H-1Bs reveal about global talent markets 23:40 — Layoffs, life disruption, and HR ethics 28:50 — How the $100K fee blocks smaller orgs 37:00 — Tech, innovation, and talent pipelines at risk 41:00 — “Gold card” visas and the politics of access

Black women are being pushed out of the U.S. workforce at alarming rates—and it’s not by choice. In this powerful episode of Toot or Boot, host Stacey Nordwall sits down with workplace equity expert T. Tara Turk-Haynes and communications leader and career strategist Cassandra Babilya to unpack how federal job cuts, dismantled DEI programs, and systemic neglect have created an economic crisis that reveals much more than the headlines. Together, they explore what this moment says about the state of work, leadership, and allyship—and what HR and business leaders can actually do to respond. Takeaways Black women’s unemployment rate has surged past 7%, the highest of any demographic group. Federal job cuts are erasing a long-standing path to middle-class stability for Black workers. The dismantling of DEI programs has disproportionately removed Black women from leadership roles. “Economic canary in the coal mine”: what happens to Black women first eventually affects everyone. Many former DEI and HR professionals are now turning to entrepreneurship out of necessity, not choice. Fear of “job hugging” and retaliation may be stifling allyship inside organizations. Mutual aid and microgrants are emerging as critical lifelines for displaced workers. Business leaders must proactively assess who’s being most affected by layoffs and hiring freezes. Individual action—referrals, donations, advocacy—still matters when sustained collectively. True allyship means staying present, vocal, and engaged when it’s no longer convenient. Chapters 00:00 – Opening: Black women and federal job cuts set the stage. 05:47 – Cassandra’s “gong” moment: realizing this isn’t a blip. 07:15 – Tara on being “pushed” into entrepreneurship. 10:35 – Why the silence from supposed allies feels like betrayal. 13:55 – The rise of Black women entrepreneurs as a survival strategy. 17:05 – Understanding why Black women are the canary in the coal mine. 21:09 – How layoffs in HR and DEI deepen inequality across the workforce. 29:10 – The erosion of collective bravery and the rise of isolation. 35:50 – Mutual aid and community action in the face of federal cuts. 43:22 – The call to HR: prove you’re human resources, not corporate defense. Resources: https://fortune.com/2025/08/15/black-female-leadership-future-ceos-erased-dei/ https://www.npr.org/2025/04/27/nx-s1-5349442/black-federal-employees-trump-cuts https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/05/agencies-majority-women-and-minority-workforces-are-some-hardest-hit-trump-staff-cuts-new-report-finds/405179/ https://19thnews.org/2025/07/black-women-unemployment-jobs-warning-sign/ https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/business-culture/300000-black-women-left-labor-force-3-months-s-not-coincidence-rcna219355 https://time.com/7315624/rising-unemployment-black-women-economy/ https://www.epi.org/blog/whats-behind-rising-unemployment-for-black-workers/ https://www.sheenmagazine.com/relief-is-resistance-the-state-of-women-relief-fund/

In this episode, we explore three critical workplace strategy topics: how effective leaders can minimize office politics through transparency, accountability, and encouraging diverse viewpoints—strategies that seem obvious yet many workplaces still struggle to implement; Moderna's innovative approach to merging their tech and HR departments under a single "chief people and digital technology officer" role, complete with over 3,000 custom GPTs, representing a thoughtful years-long integration rather than a knee-jerk AI adoption; and the challenges of scaling a business sustainably, where the advice to build systems for 10x capacity sounds great in theory but often conflicts with the reality that HR infrastructure typically lags behind growth, creating a delicate balance between building too little too late versus over-engineering for your current stage. Connect Katya Laviolette on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katya-laviolette-6907b726/ Stacey Nordwall on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles How Effective Leaders Minimize Office Politics Why Moderna Merged Its Tech and HR Departments Why Scaling a Business is the Hardest—and Most Important—Stage of Growth

This episode dives into why some CEOs are paying the price for walking back DEI, how the employer-employee relationship has fundamentally shifted, and the horrifying conditions faced by Meta’s outsourced content moderators. From strategic miscalculations to moral failures, we examine what these stories tell us about leadership, labor, and the values that shape today’s workplaces. Connect: With Anessa: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anessafike/ On her website: https://www.fikeandco.com/ Her book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-revolution-of-work-fuck-the-patriarchy-and-the-workplace-it-built-anessa-fike/21206822?ean=9781961347540&next=t With Stacey on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: How some corporations miscalculated the impact of abandoning DEI  Has the Labor Market changed or have employees? Meta faces Ghana lawsuits over impact of extreme content on moderators

In this episode, we explore Cake’s Body’s bold $36K childcare stipend, why the job market is suddenly so brutal for college grads, and what the WEF’s new report reveals about the steep decline in employee well-being. We break down what these headlines signal about where workplaces are headed—and what HR needs to be thinking about next. Connect: With Anessa: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anessafike/ On her website: https://www.fikeandco.com/ Her book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-revolution-of-work-fuck-the-patriarchy-and-the-workplace-it-built-anessa-fike/21206822?ean=9781961347540&next=t With Stacey on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: Cakes Body’s $36K Child Care Credit Leads the Way in Affordable Child Care Planning for Employees Something Alarming Is Happening to the Job Market  World Economic Forum Warns Employee Well-Being Is Declining—and Costing Businesses Trillions

This week, we're diving into three concerning workplace trends: First, employee engagement is declining sharply, with managers under 35 and female managers leading this downward slide—potentially because they're caught in middle management roles with high responsibility but little decision-making power. Meanwhile, BNY Mellon is increasing its office mandate from three to four days weekly by September 2025, again bringing up the question of if RTOs are actually solving the challenges businesses are having. Finally, tech CEOs are raising alarms about candidates using AI to fake their way through remote job interviews—with Gartner projecting that by 2028, one in four global job applicants will be using AI-generated profiles, posing serious security risks beyond simple resume fraud. Connect: With Lee Rubin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rubinl/ With Stacey Nordwall on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: Employee Engagement is Dropping and Managers are leading the slide BNY asks employees to return to office four days a week by September Fake job seekers are flooding U.S. companies that are hiring for remote positions, tech CEOs say

This week, we discuss why HR professionals are naturally positioned for C-suite operations roles, examining the journey of Hinge's Angel Franklin from CPO to COO and why this transition shouldn't be considered unusual. We also dive into MongoDB's approach to hybrid work models, and fascinating research on how job ad language may inadvertently attract candidates with narcissistic tendencies and what this means for recruitment strategies. Connect: with Steven Huang on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thestevenhuang/ or sign up for his newsletter: https://setthesetting.substack.com/ with Stacey Nordwall on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: Why it’s not far-fetched for HR pros to dream of being COO  Giving employees a choice when to be in the office  Why is your boss a narcissist? Blame the job ad that got them hired 

This week, we dive into the real-world impacts of DEI rollbacks, workplace discrimination, and employee disengagement. We examine how Target faced boycotts and significant business impacts after eliminating DEI initiatives recently met with Rev. Al Sharpton to address the impacts of boycotts. We'll also explore troubling new research showing increased workplace discrimination against LGBTQ+ employees amid a record year of anti-LGBTQ+ legislation. Finally, we discuss the emerging concept of "quiet cracking" and what it reveals about the current state of workplace wellbeing and employee engagement. Connect: with Steven Huang on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thestevenhuang/ or sign up for his newsletter: https://setthesetting.substack.com/ with Stacey Nordwall on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: Rev Al Sharpton meets with Target CEO over halting of DEI initiative LGBTQ+ workers report more discrimination, less happiness at work What is ‘quiet cracking’? Worker disengagement has a new name

This week, we welcome Nathan Chung, Jessica Donahue, and Greer Procich for a critical conversation about workplace accessibility and inclusion. With collective experience in HR, cybersecurity, and disability advocacy, our panel examines how current workplace policies often overlook the experiences of disabled and neurodivergent employees. The conversation explores three major topics affecting the workplace: The surge in return-to-office mandates and their disproportionate impact on people with disabilities which is reversing progress that had been made in employment for people with disabilities. The potentially devastating implications of Texas v. Becerra, a lawsuit challenging Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act, the ripple effects of which could undermine fundamental disability rights in workplaces. Recent changes at the EEOC, including the halting of sexual orientation and gender identity discrimination claims and the abandonment of existing lawsuits - as the EEOC continues to operate without a quorum. Our guests offer advice and insight for HR professionals navigating these challenges and advocating for truly inclusive workplaces.  Learn more about Rethink Ability: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/greerprocich_rethinking-disability-from-red-tape-to-real-activity-7310716858263908354-uJxk Connect: Nathan Chung: on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nc808/ on the Disability Disrupted podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@DisabilityDisrupted Jessica Donahue: on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-e-donahue/ on her website: https://www.adjunctleadership.com/ Greer Procich: on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greerprocich/ Stacey Nordwall: on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: 5 years into the remote work boom, the return-to-office push is stronger than ever—here's why  ‘Dangerous’ lawsuit could imperil disability rights, advocates say Andrea Lucas renominated to EEOC, pledges ‘evenhanded’ civil rights enforcement  Five years of remote work changed workplace accessibility. Employees with disabilities will feel its loss.

In this episode, we analyze new Glassdoor research suggesting employees are increasingly deprioritizing workplace relationships, questioning whether this shift stems from broader social disconnection or reflects changing priorities in a hybrid world. We also discuss a revealing Perceptyx survey showing that while 95% of HR teams are collecting employee feedback, only 27% feel confident they can act on it—highlighting the growing burnout crisis among HR professionals who are stretched too thin. Finally, we explore the controversy surrounding Meta's "do not rehire" list, examining the tension between standard HR offboarding practices and transparency in employment relationships.  Connect: Kim Minnick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kim-minnick/ Stacey Nordwall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: Employees care less and less about workplace relationships, new research finds Stressed HR teams say they can’t take action on employee feedback  Meta keeps secret ‘do not rehire’ list of ex-employees — despite exceptional performance reviews: report 

Kim Minnick joins this week as we dive into three fascinating workplace trends from around the globe. We examine Tokyo's move toward a four-day workweek aimed at addressing Japan's population crisis and work-life balance challenges, while questioning why it takes demographic emergencies to implement family-friendly policies. We also explore the "resignation by proxy" phenomenon emerging in Japan's hierarchical corporate culture. Finally, we unpack a thought-provoking UK tribunal case where an estate agent successfully sued after being assigned a lower-status desk, revealing how seemingly minor workplace arrangements can significantly impact employee roles and retention. Join us as we examine these developments and their implications for the evolving modern workplace. Connect: Kim Minnick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kim-minnick/ Stacey Nordwall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: Tokyo is turning to a 4-day workweek in a desperate attempt to help Japan shed its unwanted title of ‘world’s oldest population’  Resignation By Proxy: A New Workplace Trend Leaders Should Watch Senior staff can sue if given ‘low status’ desk, UK tribunal rules

In this special April Fool’s Day episode, host Stacey Nordwall hands over the reins to co-producer Lexi Croswell for a fun twist on the usual format. Instead of tooting or booting HR headlines, Stacey and HR consultant Nadia Eran have to decide if the headlines are real or fake – and why!  Connect: Nadia Eran -> on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadiaeran/ Or her website Future in Work: https://futureinwork.com/ Lexi Croswell -> on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexiscroswell/ Or her website: https://www.alexiscroswell.com/services Stacey Nordwall -> On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/

Last week our team was at the Transform Conference in Las Vegas, connecting with HR practitioners and thought leaders. We decided to have some fun and do quick on the conference floor interviews with fellow attendees and friends of the pod. So this week we're spreading the fun and bringing you a special compilation episode of all of our interviews, which involve folks tooting your booting things about Vegas pop culture. And of course, as always, HR headlines. The audio was a bit tricky at times, so apologies in advance for that and for saying you heard it here at the end of pretty much every interview. I hope you enjoy. Our guests: Theresa Fesinstine: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theresafesinstine/ Nadia Eran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadiaeran/ Kim Minnick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kim-minnick/ Rebecca Taylor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccataylor2/ Daniel Huerta: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-huerta-mpl/ Stephen Huerta: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenhuerta/ Lia Seth: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liaseth/ Stefanie Fackrell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefaniefackrell-hr-rebel/ The headlines:  Accusations of Corporate Espionage Shake a Software Rivalry Cameo puts its money where its office is with new RTO policy Resignation By Proxy: A New Workplace Trend Leaders Should Watch Typing loudly, wearing AirPods: ‘taskmasking’ is how gen Z pretends to work at the office 

We discuss a recent sex discrimination case where a male employee in a female-dominated workplace filed a claim after being excluded from awards with the announcement "it's not going to be any of the men." We explore the complex dynamics of being in the minority at work. Next, we analyze the growing trend of companies like Google and the Trump administration offering buyouts with an underlying message of "get on board or get out." What does this signal about workplace culture when organizations are explicitly prioritizing mission alignment over accommodating diverse perspectives? Finally, we question the emerging concept of "revenge quitting" - is this just a rebranding of employees setting reasonable boundaries by leaving toxic environments? We examine how companies are scrambling to prevent turnover, but seemingly don't want to acknowledge how this is the work of DEI and HR. Connect with DeMario: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/demario-bell-7a510994/ Connect with Stacey: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles Man loses sex discrimination claim after boss says ‘sorry boys’ at awards do Why Trump and Google are paying employees to quit and what it means for your business 5 ways employers can prevent employees from revenge quitting in 2025

In this episode, we start with the concerning prevalence of workplace ageism, where research shows nearly all employees over 40 experience age discrimination and feel pressured to downplay their experience. We then explore the puzzling "career catfishing" phenomenon, where 34% of Gen Z workers reportedly accept positions only to deliberately skip their first day without notice - raising questions about evolving power dynamics between employers and employees. Finally, we analyze Gallup's recent findings showing U.S. employee engagement has hit a 10-year low, with just 31% of workers feeling engaged and particular disengagement among younger workers and those in finance and technology sectors.  Connect with DeMario: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/demario-bell-7a510994/ Connect with Stacey: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles: The silent career killer? Nearly every employee over 40 sees rampant ageism in the workplace Gen Z is ‘career catfishing’ in power move to irk corporate employers US employee engagement falls to 10-year low

Matt is back to talk about the growing divide in workplace flexibility across different sectors of the workforce. We dive into new research showing how Britain's frontline workers are being left behind in the flexible work revolution, creating a "two-tier" system. We'll explore Randstad's 2025 Workmonitor report revealing that workers now prioritize work-life balance over pay, and discuss JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon's stance against remote work (spoiler - he really f*ing hates it!).  Connect with Matt: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewmcfarlane/ Or here: https://linktr.ee/fndnseries Articles: Inequality in flexible working dividing Britain into ‘two-tier workforce’It's not about the money. Employees now choose work-life balance over pay‘I’ve had it’: JP Morgan boss rails against Gen Z in expletive-laden outburst

In this episode, we dive into layoffs due to performance, AI and workplace monitoring. First, we chat Meta's controversial "low performer" layoffs, where terminated employees are challenging the company's performance-based justification. And we talk about the shift in messaging from previous layoffs that were described as cost-cutting measures. We also explore Australia's  parliamentary report calling for mandatory AI guardrails in workplace decision-making, and discuss the troubling allegations of employee surveillance in federal workplaces. Join us as we unpack the complex intersection of technology, privacy, and worker rights in today's evolving workplace environment. Connect with Matt: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewmcfarlane/ Or here: https://linktr.ee/fndnseries Articles: Meta’s ‘low performer’ layoffs disputed by fired staffers and criticized by expertsLawmakers call for mandatory AI guardrails to prevent private sector RobodebtFederal Workers say DOGE put spyware on their work PCs is that ever ok in the workplace

Join host Stacey Nordwall and special guests Julie Turney and Stephanie Lemek for a deep dive into HR burnout - an issue that has become critical for the field.Drawing insights from Emily and Amelia Nagoski's book "Burnout," the conversation goes beyond the oversimplified notion that burnout is just feeling tired or can be fixed with a long weekend. Instead, they explore how burnout represents a biological stress cycle that needs proper completion, discussing concepts like "Human Giver Syndrome" and the unique challenges faced by HR professionals who are often expected to maintain endless empathy while managing their own stress.The episode critically examines why HR practitioners are particularly vulnerable to burnout, exploring factors like the isolation of the role, the expectation of constant emotional labor, and the tension between doing what's right and what's organizationally possible. They also challenge conventional burnout prevention advice, critiquing surface-level solutions like "take advantage of company benefits" or "have meeting blackout days" in favor of more systemic approaches.Whether you're an HR professional feeling overwhelmed by increasing demands and limited resources, or a leader looking to better support your HR team, this episode offers both validation and practical strategies for addressing burnout in the human resources field. The discussion particularly resonates in a post-pandemic context, where HR roles have faced greater demands while often being first in line for resource cuts. Connect with Stephanie: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephanielemek/ At her website: https://www.thewoundedworkforce.com/ Connect with Julie: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamjulieturney/ At her website: https://www.hratheart.com/ Connect with Stacey: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ Articles and book: Beyond burnout: Why changing how we talk about employee well-being could help solve itHalf of HR report burnout, wanting renewed job focusWhy HR leaders are struggling to retain their own team members.8 Surprising HR Burnout Statistics in 2025.Burnout

Coming up on today's episode: We're diving into the latest RTO trends for 2025! We'll explore how major companies are taking wildly different approaches - from WPP's new four-day office mandate to firms like Spotify doubling down on flexibility. Plus, we'll discuss some fascinating findings about workers choosing flexibility over higher salaries, and tackle the tricky question of whether remote work might be holding back career progression. Stick around for a candid conversation about what all this means for HR practitioners navigating the future of work.Connect with JaredOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaredkleinert/ Connect with StaceyOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/ArticlesHow return-to-office mandates could change in 2025, according to top HR leaders from PwC, EY, and CanvaWhy Americans Are Accepting Lower SalariesGlobal ad giant WPP issues sweeping RTO mandate for its 114,000 staff, calling them back to office 4 days a week

This week we kick it off with some anticipated employment law changes that could impact your workplaces. We'll unpack 5 laws expected to impact businesses in 2025, from pay transparency mandates to revamped contractor rules. We'll also analyze key leadership changes in Washington, as we discuss Keith Sonderling's appointment as deputy labor secretary. Plus, we'll explore the latest of buzzphrases, "soft quitting." Whether you're a business owner, HR professional, or employee, this episode equips you with insights to navigate 2025's evolving workplace landscape. Connect with AubreyOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adblanche/https://aubreyblanche.com/Connect with Staceyhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/staceynordwall/Articles5 employment law changes set to hit the workplace in 2025Trump names former EEOC Commissioner Keith Sonderling deputy labor secretaryWhy Soft Quitting At Work Could Be More Dangerous Than Quiet Quitting