We discuss Dugin and the critique of liberalism, Steelmanning Dugin and misconceptions on classical liberalism, liberalism is built on something deeper, holding polarities and extremes, enculturation and Bildung, essentialism vs anti essentialism, Whitehead’s needle threading middle way, ontological divides in the culture wars, R.R Reno’s critique of Popper’s liberalism, Steiner’s social three folding theory, Verumelue’s common good constitutionalism, the dominance of the economic sphere in America, the government can’t fix everything (including racism), can government do something good? diaphanous anti-racism and fallacies of misplaced concreteness, the problems with “whiteness”, universal vs specific programs (reparations debate), A viable path forward for the left/Democrats??, who are the Dems gonna run in 2024??, various nightmare scenarios, designing a perfect political leader, can we have an “us” without a “them?”, hate players instead of games, should government regulate social media?
We discuss tj and Antimemetics, define anti memes, Layman’s antimemetic ethical imperative, the antimemetic skillset for depolarization, antimeme as adaptive meme for inoculation, anitmemes, antifragility and complexity, information theory and Shannon entropy, tacit vs explicit knowledge, Hayek, markets, art, aesthetics, spirituality, harnessing the tacit, decentralized in form vs function, Zen Koan as antimeme and meta heuristics, Antimemetics and left/right polarities, epistemic injustice, shamanism, entropy and scale, entropy and information are coupled, requisite variety, codification and abstraction, criticisms of MIP (no constraints), mutually exclusive memes as antimeme, various structures of feeling, a quote from Foucault, antimeme as constraint, and the antimeme as black hole and Mark Fisher’s capitalism realism.
We discuss How I connected with Jared (ft. Jordan Peterson), what is “ideological” and what is not, Jared’s diplomatic disposition, Jared’s ideological promiscuity, exploring traditional conservatism, make virtue great again, dialogue and virtue, white supremacist archetypes, returning to ontology, hyperobjects, Roy Bhaskar’s critical realism and Demi-realities, inter-religious discourse, Sam Harris’s critique of Islam, and separating culture from content.
We discuss - why Layman likes Nietzsche, Layman steel man’s Nietzsche the Nazi, How Nietzsche’s work can fork in opposing directions, Ronald Beiner’s book on Nietzsche and Heidegger, pre trans fallacies, the systems of modernity, hierarchies, spirituality, power, critiques of culture, different types of difference, values, Nietzsche and religion book, Heidegger beyond the pale?, differing definitions of Fascism, Dugin and the “Volk”, spiritual decay and what to re-root into, fractal “we-ness”, Layman’s quantum sense of “we-ness”, Layman’s identification as a woman, group identity and collective action, identity, reification and mystery of being, collective identity development, question of nation-states and polarization.
We discuss the Rhizoma field school, regenerative methodologies, larger paradigms of social change, small scale initiatives, unintended consequences, dual process theory, addressing macro scale issues, global trade futures, positive impacts of protectionism and localism, Ideology vs material interests, changing circumstances, community design principles (oblique approach), alienation inspiring self production, embodied experience, getting the framing right, action vs theory, holistic invisible hand, problem with subsidies, outcompeting industrial ag, and making farming fun again.
We discuss the theology and spirituality of Brent Cooper, ritual, symbology, spirituality, metanoia, living in the paradox, distinguishing resonance from orthodoxy, abstractivism vs front line activism, liminal web critiques and dreams, MIP’s approach to digesting left content, steel manning CRT, paradigms and anomalies, hyperobjects, epistemic justice, “seeing” and abstraction, ideological and dunning Kruger awareness, and legitimate meta perspective, anticapitalist, postcapitalist, teaching left groups meta-theory vs working on own terms, tracking events that don’t get covered, holding meta positions to transcend reductionism, listening as metaphor, Hanzi’s work, misunderstanding theories and controversial thinkers/theories, scaling education infrastructure, diverse conceptions of Bildung, and American Bildung and the military industrial complex.
We discuss the, SIMPOL elevator pitch, SIMPOL in the US, levels/scale SIMPOL could work at, SIMPOL is not about building a new structure, consciousness and time, and the subsidiarity test, challenges with communicating SIMPOL and “seeing” hyperobjects, SIMPOL and evolutionary theory, cooperation, competition, and electoral considerations, 2 policy buckets, scientific/rational persuasion vs trust, cooperation incentives, 2 kinds of trust, SIMPOL, Ukraine, liberal hegemony, cultural sovereignty, spreading the message of SIMPOL.
We discuss Jordan Hall Twitter and ideology critique, from developmental to ideological blindness, conservative naturalization, leftist contextualization/epistemologization, deep diving ontology, MIP and integral post metaphysics, and shared ontological grounds, Ryan doesn’t like “what comes next” stuff, Epistemes and ideological granularity, Fred Turner and the necessity of historical literacy, ideology critique, 5 pillars of meta-ideological awareness, ideology is a scary word and left/right appeal, having discernment when choosing the right analytic frame, disciplinary polarization and the need for consilience, myopic divisions of knowledge, ideological dismissal, platform socialism, ideological non-exclusivism and DEI trainings, integrating class analysis with the “meaning crisis”, diversifying the meaning crisis, Bodhisattva vs Arhats, bridge-building, escapism, meta-tribal politics.
We discuss framing the conversation - polarization seeps into romance and dating, aesthetic signifiers, identity, Kegan stages, problem of political mega-identities, internet avatars, fan culture, and tinder, communication mediums, withdrawing from politics and the exhausted majority, SHAME the “other,” dating, romance and erotic fetishization, transformation requires energy and making space for taboos, repulsion, attraction, love, hippies, god, the issue with liberalism art, symbolism, aesthetics and channeling energy.
In this episode of MIP, Nate, Ryan and Jason discuss, Jason’s thought’s on MIP, Jason shit posting the liminal web, physical vs digital localism, Jason inspires Nate to garden, doomer optimism, doomer optimism vs doomer dutyism, generational doomers, generational epistemes, doomer optimist projects, Jason’s personal goals and visions, why southern Appalachia, food/farming as answer to the culture wars, scale and polarization, “minimum viable scale”, subsidiarity and broad scale, drawbacks of localism, anarchism’s virtues, drama between Egypt and Sudan and IR issues, anti fragility at various scales, mechanism design, Snowden Cynefin and managing complexity, participatory budgeting, distributism in localism vs co-ops, Hamiltonian means to Jeffersonian ends, rural developments, UBI, complementary currencies, and does anyone understand holochain??
We discuss (stage conflicts, Nora Bateson, conversation with Brendan, Henry’s virtuous online engagement, Henry’s unique position in the stage debate, agreements and disagreements with Nora’s critique, Nora’s Warm data’s breakdown, Henry’s take on “tiers”, Prompts vs assessments and what SD’s consultants do, Warm data in practice, When SD consultants are useful, Ryan’s spin on “if you have a hammer everything looks a like a nail”, uncovering patterns, Dealing with DEI related conflicts using Henry’s cyclical model, cultivating diverse ideological and moral impulses, silence is violence and the importance of listening, using complexity and multi-perspectivalism to escape polarization, reification, and weaponization, stage models sucking up all the ideational oxygen and their seductive allure, death to tiers and the issue stunted development, stage vs code, what lenses or frameworks should we use, levels of granularity and problematic generalized abstractions, epistemic humility and dunning-kruger meta awareness, and 4 pillars of meta-ideological awareness.
We discuss Greg’s explanation of Metamodernism (and modernism and postmodernism), David Foster Wallace and metamodernism, Postmodernism vs Metamodernism, Ted Lasso and Andy Kaufman, “meta” vs. “post”, metamodernism vs “Hanzism” and Nordic Ideology, is MIP multiperspectivalism, premodernism vs metamodernism vs postmodernism, why fixate on the word “modern”, MIP vs multiperspectivalism, Greg’s experience with Evangelical Christian groups, finding sincere beauty in difference (i.e. via religious prayers), issues with arrogance/inscerity when joining other groups, Embracing difference to bridge divides, postmodernism and multiperspectivalism, cultural expressions of postmodernism on the right, identitarianism is metamodernism, dangers of normative metamodernisms, positive expressions of metamodernism, modern/postmodern oscillations, and will metamodern sensibilities outcompete modern and postmodern ones?
In this episode of MIP, Brad, Nate, Nadav and Ryan discuss the problems with the education currently, Nadav’s unique HS credit system, the reduction of complexity in education, the importance of innovation and diverse approaches, experiential field learning, the role of NFT’s and crypto in Nadav’s credit approach, metacognitive activation methods, issues with educational metrics and evaluations, qualitative dimensions of education and learning, how education dovetails with economics and designing positive incentive mechanisms, bottom up change and potential issues with it, indoctrination into the meta, meta-ideological high school credits and reclaiming agentic sovereignty, balancing centralization and decentralization, complex capacities of centralized leaders, accommodating wide ranges of needs and predisposition in education, transcending political polarization in and through education, the role for teachers, and education as the peaceful revolution.
We discuss Brendan’s issues with strawmanning and developmental question, Jeremy’s take on stage theories and challenge to historical linearity, Models themselves vs how people hold them, Contextualizing the book via meta-analysis, Indigenous critiques of modernity and its critique, Escaping the confines of a narrow (modernist) lens, Fractalizing developmental maps, Decoupling development from modes of production, Complexifying the patterning, deeper dives into the book’s “strawmanning/shadowboxing”, interpretive styles and missing information, who was the book written for? And it being misconstrued, the “What is Politics” Youtube critique, emphasizing material conditions/structure vs agency/volition, stage theories infantilizing indigenous peoples and the preconditions for “development”, specific insights folks appreciated from the book, a deep dive into “schismogenesis”, competing perceptions of our ancestors, “returning” to previous states of affairs and the dangers of reactionary romanticisms, and Ryan’s M. Night Shyamalan “The Village” epistemic thought experiment.
In this episode of MIP, Jeremy, Josh, and Ryan discuss how to frame the tensions between Integral leftism and post-progressivism, centrist accusations, memetic mediation and material concerns, post-progressive critiques of progressivism, where to focus critique, problems with capitalism, distinctions within progressivism, healthy vs unhealthy worldviews and self-critique, framing American history, effective strategy vs authentic integration, solidarity building, the ideal level of abstraction and granularity to approach these issues, imbibing the spirit of various political traditions, stretching ourselves to understand differing perspectives and ideologies, integrating history and empathy taking, Jeremy and Josh’s challenges to each other, and Ryan’s meta-ideological approach to community building. https://post-progressive.org https://www.mutations.blog
Bruce Alderman, M.A., is adjunct faculty at the John F. Kennedy school of psychology at National University. He received his master's degree in Integral Psychology, with an emphasis on Transpersonal Counseling Psychology, from JFKU in 2005. He currently teaches Paradigms of Consciousness; Fundamentals of Transpersonal Psychology; World Spirituality; Living Systems Theory; Integral Life Practice; Individual Development; and Integral Meditation and Psychospiritual Development.
In this episode of MIP, Nate, Ryan and Bruce go off the philosophical deep end exploring post-metaphysical spirituality as analogue to meta-ideological political practice, Bruce’s political apprehensions and US shenanigans in Nepal, deep ontological structures underpinning cultural conflicts, Raimon Pannikar’s work on interreligious discourse, severing ourselves from the mythic dimensions, symbols as mediating agent, different forms of hermeneutics, diatopical hermeneutics and dialogue across boundaries, 4 methods of paradigmatic commensuration, the imperative method, letting ourselves be fecundated by other perspectives, intraparadigmatic dialogue, pragmatic action and theory, paradoxical reasoning and holding contradicting symbols, construct aware politics, dialectical vs dialogical dialogue, essentialist vs non-essentialist ontological play, integral grammatology, misplaced concreteness, finding ourselves in the other, and Bhaskar’s critical realism.
In this "warm take," Ryan, Stephanie and Layman riff on the goals of comedy, comedic styles, “cheap shots” and pesudo-comedy, “punching down", oven mitts to handle dangerous content, trans vs. other identity issues, the end goals of trans advocacy, and the real issues to worry about.
Zak Stein studied philosophy and religion at Hampshire College, and then educational neuroscience, human development, and the philosophy of education at Harvard University.
He's published two books -- Social Justice and Educational Measurement and Education in a Time Between Worlds.
He is the co-founder of The Consilience Project, which is dedicated to improving public sensemaking and building a movement to radically upgrade digital media landscapes.
In this episode of MIP, Nate, Ryan and Zak discuss Zak’s definition of “meta-politics” and its contrast with “meta-ideological politics,” ideology and identity, definitions of ideology, Zak’s critique of Hanzi’s metamodernism, stepping back vs jumping into politics, cosmo erotic humanism and Ludford’s critique of it, scaling effective sense making with cultural diversity, the relationship between nuance, propaganda, and effective public sense making (Fauci and vaccines), teacherly authority and Zak's educational philosophy, love in education, the balance of what vs how to think in schools (i.e CRT), and practical means to transform our education system moving forward.
In this video Ryan, Nate and Evan discuss Evan’s etymological breakdown of “meta-ideological politics,” Founder Effects and progressive biases, ideological fluidity and Kegan “stages,” reifying mental models, critiques of game b, the role of government from a meta perspective, Evan’s unique work with information theory, cultural segregation, embodiment and doing work in the real world, “infiltrating” various cultural environments, establishing common ground, politics and identity, Evan’s unique experience with occupy, political “egregores,” Aries vs Athenian politics, the “Nakade” doctrine, and dealing with conflict.