We discuss - why Layman likes Nietzsche, Layman steel man’s Nietzsche the Nazi, How Nietzsche’s work can fork in opposing directions, Ronald Beiner’s book on Nietzsche and Heidegger, pre trans fallacies, the systems of modernity, hierarchies, spirituality, power, critiques of culture,  different types of difference, values, Nietzsche and religion book, Heidegger beyond the pale?, differing definitions of Fascism, Dugin and the “Volk”, spiritual decay and what to re-root into, fractal “we-ness”, Layman’s quantum sense of “we-ness”, Layman’s identification as a woman, group identity and collective action, identity, reification and mystery of being, collective identity development, question of nation-states and polarization.