We discuss (stage conflicts, Nora Bateson, conversation with Brendan, Henry’s virtuous online engagement, Henry’s unique position in the stage debate, agreements and disagreements with Nora’s critique, Nora’s Warm data’s breakdown, Henry’s take on “tiers”, Prompts vs assessments and what SD’s consultants do, Warm data in practice, When SD consultants are useful, Ryan’s spin on “if you have a hammer everything looks a like a nail”, uncovering patterns, Dealing with DEI related conflicts using Henry’s cyclical model, cultivating diverse ideological and moral impulses, silence is violence and the importance of listening, using complexity and multi-perspectivalism to escape polarization, reification, and weaponization, stage models sucking up all the ideational oxygen and their seductive allure, death to tiers and the issue stunted development,  stage vs code, what lenses or frameworks should we use, levels of granularity and problematic generalized abstractions, epistemic humility and dunning-kruger meta awareness, and 4 pillars of meta-ideological awareness.