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The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Gini Dietrich, Founder of Spin Sucks
371 episodes
5 days ago
We're your one-stop shop for modern communications. The lines between PR, marketing, search, advertising, social, and content continue to blur, making it difficult to decide what belongs where. Rather than decide, let’s come together and work as one to grow organizations. We can change the PR industry...together.
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We're your one-stop shop for modern communications. The lines between PR, marketing, search, advertising, social, and content continue to blur, making it difficult to decide what belongs where. Rather than decide, let’s come together and work as one to grow organizations. We can change the PR industry...together.
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Episodes (20/371)
The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
How to Make Your Brand the Obvious Answer with Visibility Engineering
Most of the decision happens before sales. In this episode, Gini Dietrich breaks down Visibility Engineering and how to use the PESO Model© to build anchor hubs that become the safest thing to cite, earn analyst/AI reuse, and measure results. You’ll leave with a copy-and-paste Anchor Hub outline and a 30-day action plan.
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5 days ago
17 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
How to Measure Brand Awareness, Trust, and Reputation
In a collapsed-funnel world, “action-oriented” isn’t a button—it’s a byproduct of trust. Today, Gini Dietrich digs into how reputation becomes rank (and revenue), the metrics that prove it, and a simple PESO Model© sequence to lower your cost to convert. Share this episode with a friend, exec, or client who’s stuck debating brand vs. performance.
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1 week ago
19 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Handling the “AI Discount” Question from Clients
AI collapsed drafting time—but clients still buy certainty: accuracy, brand safety, and results.  In this episode, Gini Dietrich lays out a practical playbook to stop itemizing hours and start contracting standards, so you keep fees (and win bigger scopes) in the AI era. In this episode, you’ll learn: How to explain “AI speed” without triggering a discount The 10 clauses to codify standards (provenance, data, IP, QA) Fixed/outcome pricing models that hold (and grow) fees Scripts for procurement, legal, and the “show me your prompts” crowd
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2 weeks ago
16 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
How to Manage Your Brand on the Dead Internet
The internet isn’t dead—it’s haunted. This week, Gini Dietrich explores the “dead internet” theory and why bots now outnumber humans online, which changes how we plan, measure, and defend our brands.  You’ll learn how to replace vanity metrics with human signals, ship proof-of-work content (original data, named experts, receipts), add provenance to your media, and rewire your PESO Model for verified attention. Highlights: Why dashboards glow while revenue stalls—and how to fix it Owned as your fortress: proof stack, schema, provenance Earned relationships that reduce uncertainty (and get the call) Shared in smaller rooms that create real conversation Paid that buys attention you can verify, not impressions you can’t If you want to keep building trust and visibility in a ghosted web, this episode is your new playbook.
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3 weeks ago
17 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
How to Prepare for a Bot-Created Crisis
Synthetic sparks, real fires.  Gini Dietrich unpacks how bot-created boycotts inflate “consensus,” jump to real influencers, and turn into costly crises.  This episode gives you a practical, hour-one playbook: capture an authenticity snapshot, choose your lane, debunk without oxygen via a single owned explainer, and use paid/shared/earned intentionally.  She also covers the fast tells of inauthentic activity and the governance artifacts you should have queued up before anything explodes. Takeaways • Diagnose manufactured outrage in minutes—no fancy tools required • The exact comms moves to make in the first 2–24 hours • What bots can’t fake (specificity, two-way friction, cross-channel corroboration) • How to prep: thresholds, roles, templates, stakeholder briefs If you found this useful, follow the show and share it with your marketing, comms, and brand teams.
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1 month ago
20 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
The Case for a Marketing Operating System
In today’s episode, we put you in the boardroom and show exactly why the current stack can’t answer the ROI question—then we install an operating system. What you’ll learn: • The ~$500B blind spot: marketing without an OS • How a PESO Model© OS creates clarity, efficiency, and revenue attribution • The cost of waiting (and what early adopters are seeing) • A Boardroom Checklist you can use this quarter
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1 month ago
16 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
How the PESO Model© Helps You Avoid AI Bubble Burnout
Generative AI is sliding into the “Trough of Disappointment.” The Atlantic is warning of an AI bubble. And if you’re a CMO chasing disconnected AI pilots without a plan, you could be next. In this episode, Gini Dietrich explains why PESO isn’t just a model—it’s the operating system that prevents AI from becoming another overhyped, underperforming fad. You’ll learn: Why CMOs keep getting burned by technology hype cycles The rookie mistakes killing enterprise AI strategies How PESO ties AI to real business outcomes The trust signals that matter to both humans and machine customers Before the bubble pops, make sure your AI strategy is built to last.
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1 month ago
17 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Why Pharma Needs the PESO Model© Now
Ten billion dollars in pharma advertising just got a whole lot less effective. With Trump’s new memo cracking down on DTC ads—TV, social, digital, influencers, even online pharmacies—your pipeline may be at risk. In this episode of the Spin Sucks Podcast, Gini Dietrich explains why disclosure-heavy ads will crush acquisition costs, how competitors are already shifting to PESO Model® strategies, and what you can do now to protect your market share. Don’t wait until your board or investors start asking questions. The brands that move today will be taking market share by March.
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1 month ago
14 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
The Visibility Engineer’s Manifesto
For too long, marketing and communications have been judged by clicks, impressions, and vanity metrics. But those numbers don’t move a boardroom.  Executives talk about pipeline, revenue, market share, and shareholder value. If your work isn’t tied to those outcomes, you’re invisible where it matters most. In this episode of the Spin Sucks Podcast, Gini Dietrich introduces The Visibility Engineer’s Manifesto—a new operating model for comms and marketing leaders. You’ll learn how to replace outdated reporting with PESO-driven visibility that proves growth in the language executives actually care about. What you’ll hear: Why CEOs and CFOs rarely mention marketing on earnings calls How AI-powered discovery is reshaping visibility and trust The 11 principles every Visibility Engineer must follow One Day 1 action step you can take right now Download the Manifesto PDF here: https://spinsucks.com/communication/visibility-engineer-manifesto/ 
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2 months ago
14 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Meet Your New Buyer Persona: ChatGPT (And Its Friends)
For decades, we’ve built personas around titles, demographics, and buyer journeys. But today, your most important persona doesn’t have a job title—it has an algorithm. In this episode, Gini Dietrich explains why AI platforms like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity are no longer just tools—they’re the gatekeepers shaping your category. You’ll learn: Why AI personas are necessary today How these platforms “think” and what they reward What CMOs and comms leaders need to do differently Four practical steps you can run in 90 days to show up in AI results How to lock in your category narrative before competitors do If you’re not influencing the machines, you’re not influencing the people.
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2 months ago
14 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Structured Trust Is the New Currency of Reputation
Your reputation isn’t just what people say anymore—it’s what machines decide is true. In this episode of Spin Sucks, Gini Dietrich explains why structured trust is the new currency of reputation—and how AI tools are already encoding your brand. If your data is inconsistent, outdated, or missing, you’re invisible (or worse, misrepresented). She covers what structured trust actually means (and why it matters), how machines decide if your brand is credible, the risks of ignoring structured trust, practical steps to build a “source-of-truth” page, use schema markup, and publish citation-ready content, and how to measure if your efforts are working. If AI were asked who you are…would it get the answer right?
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2 months ago
21 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Using the PESO Model© as Your Marketing Operating System
On this week’s Spin Sucks podcast, Gini Dietrich digs into IBM’s new CMO Revolution study and what it means for the future of marketing leadership. The report makes one thing clear: the next decade won’t belong to the marketers with the biggest budgets. It will belong to the CMOs with operational courage—those willing to dismantle outdated systems and rebuild for an AI-powered marketplace moving at the speed of a microsecond. She shows you how the PESO Model© has evolved into a full marketing operating system, helping CMOs close the execution gap and deliver: Precision, prediction, and protection at scale Integrated, measurable strategies that strengthen first-party data and customer relationships A perpetual growth engine that balances AI speed with human creativity If operational courage is the price of survival, PESO is the playbook.
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2 months ago
19 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
GEO, Trust, and the PESO Model: Why It Still Works (and What’s Changed)
PR is powering AI visibility—and communicators are more essential than ever. In this episode of the Spin Sucks podcast, Gini Dietrich breaks down how brand mentions, structured trust signals, and consistent PESO execution are shaping whether your brand shows up in AI-generated answers. The tools may have changed, but the strategy? Still rock solid. You’ll walk away with: A more clear understanding of Generative Engine Optimization (GEO) A checklist for improving AI discoverability A smarter way to align your PESO strategy across platforms Hope (yes, really) that your role is more valuable than ever Subscribe, share, and get ready to run your same strategy—at machine scale.
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2 months ago
15 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Why Comms Pros Are the New Visibility Engineers
Your job title hasn’t changed. But your responsibilities have. In today’s episode of the Spin Sucks podcast, Gini Dietrich breaks down what it means to be a Visibility Engineer—and why communications pros are now at the center of AI-driven brand discovery. You’ll learn: Why 95% of AI citations come from non-paid sources (and how to get yours included) How to translate traditional comms skills into strategic AI visibility What new KPIs matter—like citation velocity, AI brand summaries, and misinformation risk How to use the PESO Model to engineer visibility across search, summaries, and smart assistants Plus, we’ll share a “day in the life” of a visibility engineer and give you a tactical roadmap to start applying this thinking inside your own org. Join the Spin Sucks Community for deeper discussions: ⁠⁠⁠https://spinsucks.com/spin-sucks-community⁠⁠⁠  Follow Spin Sucks on LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram for weekly tips.
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3 months ago
23 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Why Speed Matters in Crisis Comms: Lessons from a Kiss Cam Gone Viral
What do you get when you combine a Coldplay concert, a viral Kiss Cam moment, a silent startup, and Gwyneth Paltrow? A crisis communications case study for the ages. In this episode of the Spin Sucks Podcast, Gini Dietrich breaks down the real-time brand meltdown sparked by a now-infamous Kiss Cam and what every comms pro can learn from it.  You'll learn why timing is everything, how to prevent an awkward moment from becoming a full-blown scandal, and what to do when your CEO trends on TikTok. We’ll cover: How to build a proactive crisis plan (before it’s too late) What to do in the first hour of a PR firestorm Why silence is no longer strategicHow to keep a moment from spiraling into a movement (or how to prevent an issue from becoming a crisis) Whether you’re crisis-tested or just crisis-curious, this episode will help you stay ready, stay fast, and stay in control of your narrative. Listen in—before your brand becomes the next internet punchline. Join the Spin Sucks Community for deeper discussions: ⁠⁠https://spinsucks.com/spin-sucks-community⁠⁠  Follow Spin Sucks on LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram for weekly tips.
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3 months ago
21 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Invisible to AI = Invisible to Customers: The New Discoverability Crisis
AI doesn't see you if your marketing content is brilliant but disconnected. And if AI doesn’t see you, neither do your customers. In this episode of the Spin Sucks podcast, Gini Dietrich unpacks the discovery crisis—how AI is quietly reshaping the buyer journey, and what it means for brands that haven’t integrated their content strategies. Spoiler alert: the old SEO playbook won’t cut it. Join the Spin Sucks Community for deeper discussions: ⁠https://spinsucks.com/spin-sucks-community⁠  Follow Spin Sucks on LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram for weekly tips.
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3 months ago
26 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
In the Age of AI Search, PR Holds the Keys to Visibility
Generative AI search is rewriting how people find, trust, and engage with information—and communicators are uniquely positioned to lead in this new world. In this episode, Gini Dietrich breaks down why authoritative mentions, trust, and brand signals—PR’s bread and butter—are now the currency of visibility in an AI-first world. If you’re ready to stop chasing algorithms and start building durable visibility, this episode is for you. Join the Spin Sucks Community for deeper discussions: https://spinsucks.com/spin-sucks-community  Follow Spin Sucks on LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram for weekly tips.
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3 months ago
14 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
How to Implement the PESO Model© in a Zero-Click, Zero-Share World
If audiences have fragmented attention and trust is harder to earn, what do you need to do? You don't need to burn it all down. It's about aligning your strategy to what works now. Gini Dietrich discusses how you can adapt the PESO Model© to function in a zero-click, zero-share world and how to structure your strategy for discover, trust, and measurable traction.
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4 months ago
21 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
Why the PESO Model© Still Wins in the Age of Zero Click and Zero Share
Remember when clicks, shares, and impressions were reliable measures of success? Those days are gone. In this episode, Gini Dietrich breaks down why AI-generated answers, algorithm-controlled feeds, and private, hidden sharing have fundamentally changed how audiences discover and trust your content.We’re living in a zero-click, zero-share, zero-visit world—and traditional marketing tactics are losing visibility fast. But here’s the good news: you don’t need a shiny new framework to navigate this shift. You need to evolve your PESO Model® strategy to reflect how trust and attention work in 2025.
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4 months ago
17 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
How to Train Your Communications Strategy
What does it mean to work smarter not harder when it comes to your communications strategy? Often a 'more is more' strategy feels like the way to go - adding content and tasks and tactics, but you'll get much better results if you focus on alignment instead of addition, and that's what Gini Dietrich is talking about this week on the Spin Sucks Podcast. ffzWcWM9p0QaKJw8YXR1
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4 months ago
20 minutes

The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich
We're your one-stop shop for modern communications. The lines between PR, marketing, search, advertising, social, and content continue to blur, making it difficult to decide what belongs where. Rather than decide, let’s come together and work as one to grow organizations. We can change the PR industry...together.