Lauren and Chanler are back, and the delusion is in-season. From Golden Bachelor heartbreak to Kardashian conspiracies, the girls spiral through the week’s most unserious chaos — with morally corrupt pranks, PR flops, and billionaire birthday parties galore. Lauren kicks things off with a sick-in-the-head deep dive into Gerry Turner’s memoir (yes, the Golden Bachelor himself) and her impassioned “Justice for Theresa” movement. The sisters unpack Lauren’s morally bankrupt auntie era and Pookie & Jett’s Hermès-themed first birthday party for Paloma. Lastly, the sisters break down Kris Jenner’s 70th bash — complete with appearances from Jeff Bezos, Meghan Markle, and Kim K’s TikTok vlog. They also dive into the All’s Fair premiere, Kim’s alleged bar exam failure, Shay Mitchell’s controversial kids’ skincare line, and a Taylor Swift wedding theory that might just send the internet into cardiac arrest. (00:00:00) — Tuesday confessionals, NYC weather updates, and prepping for the Layla interview. (00:03:42) — Lauren’s Golden Bachelor memoir deep dive + the “Smoothies for Theresa” merch moment. (00:09:15) — The $20 prank that turned Lauren into a morally bankrupt auntie. (00:14:50) — Pookie & Jett’s Hermès birthday: the influencer-industrial complex strikes again. (00:22:11) — Kris Jenner’s 70th birthday: Jeff Bezos hosting, Harry & Meghan’s attendance, and Kim K’s party vlog. (00:27:39) — Meghan Markle pregnancy rumor + Kim’s post-party photo dump drama. (00:33:08) — Kim fails the bar exam: ChatGPT-coded announcement + “future lawyer” jokes gone wrong. (00:40:25) — All’s Fair review: Kim’s camp masterpiece + the unrealistic “ass-out” suit. (00:52:19) — Shay Mitchell’s kids’ skincare line and the unhinged influencer logic behind it. (00:59:34) — Taylor Swift’s rumored bridesmaids list + wedding speculation spirals. Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off your next gift at https://www.uncommongoods.com/podcast/pop! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren’s back from a 24-hour flu, a hangover, and a full-blown moving meltdown — and somehow lived to tell the tale. Meanwhile, Chanler holds down the fort (and books an exclusive with their celebrity sister, Courtney Grow). Before Chan interviews Courtney, the girls dive in to a couple of headlining stories. From Hugh Jackman’s ex plotting a bombshell tell-all, to David Harbour’s cringe Esquire interview, to Prince Andrew finally being stripped of his titles — the girls cover every messy man making headlines this week. They also get into Meghan Markle’s latest Page Six rumor, the Vanderpump Rules reboot that nobody asked for, and the rise and fall of The Row’s “cool girl” mystique — before Courtney joins for a deep dive on Botox, luxury retail horror stories, and why she’s done being treated like gum on someone’s shoe. (00:00:00) — Lauren’s weekend from hell: hungover move, the flu, and Kagen’s “water safety training.” (00:08:27) — Deborra-Lee Furness’ revenge memoir: Hugh Jackman fallout + “shop that tell-all, baby.” (00:11:44) — David Harbour’s Esquire interview, Lily Allen’s comeback, and the “artist excuse” for adultery. (00:15:33) — Millie Bobby Brown’s harassment claim against David Harbour + Netflix’s silence. (00:34:57) — Prince Andrew stripped of royal titles: why the palace only acts when it’s self-preservation. (00:40:10) — Vanderpump Rules reboot: why lightning never strikes twice. (00:46:19) — Courtney Grow joins: Botox, Sculptra, and exosome intel. (00:54:00) — The Row drama: influencer backlash, jelly shoe horror stories, and sample-sale delusion. (01:08:00) — Luxury retail icks: “oh honey, we don’t messenger to Brooklyn.” (01:10:00) — Marriage after four kids: sex, exhaustion, and staying connected. FTC: Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  Nature’s Sunshine: 20% off your first order plus free shipping. Go to http://naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout. Quince: Go to http://Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are back for Episode 300 (!) and the pop culture chaos did not take a week off. From The Row’s unhinged sample sale — where minimalism met full delusion — to Lily Allen’s scathing divorce album, the girls unpack every inch of the internet’s collective spiral. They also dive into Lori Loughlin’s marriage fallout (and the rumors that won’t die), Nara Smith’s suspiciously glamorous postpartum content, and why men — from Hugh Jackman to David Harbour — will, indeed, fail you every time. (00:00:00) — Back in the studio: weekend wedding + running into an ex - the reality vs our fantasies. (00:18:00) — The Row sample-sale deep dive: lines, $900 blazers, and why the internet lost it. (00:24:00) — Row receipts: what actually looked good (and what looked like Banana Republic). (00:29:00) — Lori Loughlin & Mossimo Giannulli: rumors, strip-club reports and prenup talk. (00:41:22) —Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau seen leaving Crazy Horse in Paris. (00:45:00) — Nara Smith: postpartum photo debate — virtue messaging vs. thirst trap. (00:52:00) — Trigger Warning: the new, horrifying allegations against Prince Andrew. (01:04:00) — Lily Allen — West End Girl: the album as a breakup audiobook + David Harbour fallout. Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the Green Mitt Kit. Dime Beauty: Head to DimeBeauty.com and get 20% off your first order with code PODCAST20 Function Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Revolve: Shop at REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are back this week breaking down the royal exile heard ’round the world — Prince William reportedly won’t invite Prince Andrew to his coronation. Then, Gwyneth Paltrow calls her biographer a “hack” (and compares herself to Steve Jobs). Jennifer Lopez’s ex-husband also reappears with a full Notes App essay, Kristen Bell accidentally offends the internet, and The Louvre’s missing jewels become the chicest crime of the year. 00:00 — Chanler’s influencer trip with Courtney & Lauren’s water crisis in Puerto Rico 09:10 — The viral “money must flow” theory and Ben’s reaction to spending 11:05 — Kristen Bell’s dark anniversary caption during Domestic Violence Awareness Month 24:30 — Gwyneth Paltrow’s British Vogue interview and her “hack” comment about Amy Odell 31:10 — J.Lo’s ex-husband’s unhinged Instagram essay about their 11-month marriage 40:55 — John Stamos calls Lori Loughlin’s ex “a terrible narcissist” 48:55 — The Mango founder’s deadly “fall” and suspicious family drama 58:40 — The Louvre’s crown jewel heist — how it happened in 7 minutes 1:04:20 — Prince William won’t invite Prince Andrew to his coronation — Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the Green Mitt Kit. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Function Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Wayfair: Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Macy's: Shop at macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We sit down with NYC dermatology PA and friend of the pod, Alison Lester, for a deep, practical walk-through of modern aesthetics. We cover when to start Botox (and how often), why provider credentials and restraint matter, what’s actually behind the “no-tox” scare posts, and the truth about filler—migration, overfilling, dissolving, and why “villain era” is mostly bad work, not bad products. We also map a sane skincare routine (the three essentials!), tackle melasma without wrecking your skin barrier, compare lasers (IPL/BBL vs. Clear + Brilliant/Moxi vs. CO₂), and get real about masseter Botox, jowls, Sculptra, Morpheus8, and surgical timing. High-yield, no gatekeeping. 04:45 — 🧠 How to choose a qualified injector (credentials, ethics, taste) 07:10 — 💉 Botox 101: When to start, 12–16 week cadence, “collagen paperclip” analogy 12:00 — 🧪 Botox brands explained (why Alison prefers on-label Botox for predictability) 19:20 — 🚫 “No-tox” & safety: botulism fears, real risks vs. viral anecdotes 22:00 — 🧵 Filler truth: migration, overfilling, ethics, and why good work is invisible 28:15 — 😊 Smile lines & “smoker lines”: skin boosters, lasers, Botox microlines strategy 31:10 — 👀 Under-eyes & dark circles: pinch test, lasers vs. bleph, why under-eye filler is rare 37:30 — 🧴 Skincare that works: the 3 essentials (antioxidant/Vit C, sunscreen, retinoid) 43:00 — 🌫️ Melasma game plan: low-and-slow, microneedling, Pico/Clear + Brilliant, TXA/Botox microdosing 46:30 — 🛠️ Devices decoded: IPL/BBL, Clear + Brilliant/Moxi, CO₂; when each shines 48:00 — 📉 Morpheus8: where it helps… and where it’s overhyped (fat loss risk) 49:30 — 🧯 Sculptra: what it is, where to place, surgery considerations 54:00 — 😬 Masseter Botox & jowls: who’s at risk and how to counteract it 56:30 — 🔪 Early jowl fixes vs. facelift timing; neck bands & prejowl filler 1:02:00 — 🧼 Dissolving filler: myths, ultrasound, and maintenance mindset 1:06:00 — 🪞 Aesthetic dysmorphia & “filler blindness”: evolving standards of beauty 1:09:00 — 🧠 How injector perspective changes over time 1:12:00 — 🗣️ Seeing natural aging vs. intervention signs 1:21:00 — 🌕 Best lasers for pores + “moon crater” fix talk 1:24:00 — 🔥 Fraxel vs. Clear + Brilliant / Moxi / Ultra for melasma 1:27:00 — ⚠️ Laser heat depth and flare risk 1:30:00 — 💡 LED vs. laser masks 1:33:00 — 🧴 Skincare layering & barrier repair 1:36:00 — 💊 Retinoids, exfoliants, and realistic routines 1:39:00 — 🧍‍♀️ Long-term maintenance mindset 1:45:00 — 🚩 Provider red flags & aesthetic ethics 1:48:00 — 🔮 Future of injectables and devices 1:54:00 — 🧭 Virtual consults, office info, and booking process 1:57:00 — 🗽 Alison’s NYC location + pricing overview 2:00:00 — 💕 Wrap-up + goodbye Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the world’s easiest soft surface cleaning solution. Functional Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It’s The Life of a Showgirl week, and Lauren & Chanler are in full Swiftie-monastery mode 🎧🥂. From champagne chaos to lyrical deep dives, the sisters break down Taylor’s new album track by track — from the haunting beauty of “The Fate of Ophelia” and the cinematic glow of “Elizabeth Taylor,” to the swagger of “Father Figure” and the ache of “Eldest Daughter.” They unpack fan theories, emotional whiplash, and what this new Taylor era really says about growing up in public. 🔥📚 00:00 — 🥂 Cold open: champagne mishap, “we’re ensconced,” and setting the stage for Showgirl 03:40 — 🎧 First-listen vs. private-listen energy — what this album demands from its listeners 07:05 — ✨ A special message from Lauren for Swifties contending with this album 11:15 — 📈 Lyric discourse & “range” talk — the internet’s hottest takes meet Pop Apologists analysis 16:50 — 🌀 Track 1: The Fate of Ophelia — Hamlet lore, megaphone/TNT references, and dance-bop redemption 21:00 — 💍 Track 2: Elizabeth Taylor — Portofino, engagement reads, and “cry my eyes violet” becomes canon 29:20 — 🌈 Track 3: Opalite — opal-sky joy, lightness after darkness, and a subtle jab at the phone-obsessed ex 36:40 — 🕴️ Track 4: Father Figure — Borchetta-to-Braun power flip, mob-movie fantasy, and “this empire belongs to me” 47:10 — 💌 Track 5: Eldest Daughter — internet apathy vs. sincerity, bridge of the album, “I said I was busy — that was a lie” 54:25 — 🕯️ Track 6: Ruin the Friendship — false Blake Lively hopes, grief, nostalgia, and second-period heartbreak 1:03:00 — 💋 Track 7: Actually Romantic — the Charlie XCX feud unpacked, petty meets poetic 1:11:50 — 🪩 Track 8: Wi$h Li$t — ambition, consumerism, and the cost of wanting everything 1:19:15 — 🌲 Track 9: Wood — sensual domestic peace and the “grown-up” Taylor love song 1:27:05 — 🔥 Track 10: Cancelled! — chaos, commentary, and whether it’s satire or self-own 1:34:30 — 🍯 Track 11: Honey — sweetness, defiance, and soft healing energy 1:38:10 — 🎭 Track 12: The Life of a Showgirl (ft. Sabrina Carpenter) — a shimmering closer on fame, femininity & control Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Nature’s Sunshine: 20% off your first order plus free shipping. Go to naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Revolve: Shop at REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We kick off with an intro-music meltdown (ft. cursed AI jingle) before diving into Taylor Swift album week—no leaks, only joy. Then Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco’s whimsical wedding, the viral Taylor “toast” rumor, and Super Bowl halftime buzz. Sister Wives returns with Cody & Robyn’s monogamy vows and chaos, followed by the shock split of Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban, Reese’s spot-on impression, and our call to rename the fandom (RIP Papa Apostles 😅). 00:00 — ⏰ Intro Music Meltdown: our theme song fails + AI jingle disaster 05:00 — 🎧 Taylor Swift Album Week: why we’re banning leaks and spoilers 08:00 — 🛋️ Therapy & Scheduling: keeping sane during launch week 12:00 — 💍 Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco’s Wedding: details on the ceremony + guests 16:30 — 🥂 Taylor Swift’s Speech at the Wedding: breaking down the viral “toast” rumor 22:30 — ☂️ Selena’s Wedding Guests: umbrellas, privacy rules, and Ralph Lauren looks 26:00 — 🎸 Ed Sheeran at the Wedding: the performance and reactions 28:00 — 🏟️ Super Bowl Halftime Rumors: who’s in, who turned it down, and why it matters 39:00 — 🐷 Sister Wives Season 20: Cody’s “I’m a guy” comment and family pushback 45:00 — 💍 Cody & Robyn’s Monogamy Dinner: “You and me, baby—monogamy” moment 52:00 — 💔 Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Separation: what we know so far 56:30 — 🪨 Celebrity Couple Rankings: rethinking our “Mount Rushmore of Monogamy” 1:01:00 — 🎭 Reese Witherspoon Imitates Nicole Kidman: lighthearted moment + Nicole’s future 1:02:30 — 👋 Closing Thoughts: retiring “Papa Apostles” and picking a new fandom name Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout for 10% off. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We go long on two very different “nepo baby” journeys: Zoë Kravitz—from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history—then pivot to Gracie Abrams—JJ’s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing “Us” with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they “nepo”? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen. Chapter Timestamps00:00 — 🎙️ Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now02:00 — 🧬 Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive07:00 — 🌲 Topanga vs. 🐍 Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide12:00 — ⚠️ Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school15:00 — 🎬 Indie starts → X-Men, Divergent17:30 — 🌊 Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)19:10 — 🦇 The Batman = cultural cementing21:00 — 🎥 Director era: Blink Twice (née Pussy Island)24:00 — 💄 YSL muse energy + “getting ready” vibe check26:00 — 🫶 Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)29:00 — 💘 Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)37:00 — 💍 Paris wedding vibes → divorce → Channing arc (engaged ’23, split ’24) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive44:00 — 🗞️ Mini “scandals”: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote49:00 — 📣 Ad Break (Macy’s Fall Guide) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive52:00 — 🎼 Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA → Barnard56:30 — 😬 First shows + nerves, why the songs land60:00 — 🎧 “I Miss You, I’m Sorry” becomes a thing63:00 — 🫶 Sour tour → ERAS opener, Taylor collab “Us”68:00 — 🔥 Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)72:00 — 🕸️ The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc. #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive85:00 — 🏁 Wrap + who we should deep-dive next Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the world’s easiest soft surface cleaning solution. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Macy’s: Shop at macys.com or in stores now! Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Wayfair: Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

🎙️ Episode Summary Sisters catch-up (👗 wardrobe wars + ✈️ travel dread), Meta’s new auto-dubbing weirdness 🤯, Meghan’s jam saga 🍓, Ireland Baldwin’s love letter to Hilaria ❤️, Pamela + Liam—PR or passion? 👀, Kyle & Mauricio’s family vibes at Alexia’s wedding 💍, Kendall & Gigi’s Vogue cowgirl cover 🐎👒, Kate’s rapid un-blonding 💇‍♀️, Taylor’s understated ring price 💍💸, the wild Turkey height-reduction surgery trend 🦵, and a deep dive on The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face” facelift wave 🧖‍♀️. ⏱️ Chapter Timestamps 00:00 — Plunging necklines 👗, sister outfit politics, and setting the vibe 03:30 — Long-haul Hawaii flight fear 🌺: meds, meals, and economy survival 09:30 — Meta auto-dubbing our reels 🎥: mouths match, voices cloned 12:15 — Meghan’s jam: the refund that arrived… open 😳 16:00 — Ireland Baldwin’s glowing ode to Hilaria ❤️ 21:00 — Pamela Anderson & Liam Neeson: PR stunt or real fling? 🔥 24:30 — WWHL night out + Maude Apatow memory lane 🍸 28:00 — Kyle & Mauricio walk Alexia down the aisle 💍👨‍👩‍👧 32:00 — Vogue cover: Kendall & Gigi’s ranch chic 🌾 vs. “too cool” debate 41:00 — Kate Middleton un-blondes back to brunette 💇‍♀️ 45:30 — Taylor’s vintage-style ring 💍: why the $250k estimate makes sense 48:00 — Turkey’s height-reduction surgeries 🦵😬 53:00 — The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face”: facelifts at 35?! 🧖‍♀️ Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20 Macy's: Shop at macys.com or in stores now. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Nature’s Sunshine: Go to naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout for 20% off. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Therapy can wait—pop culture can’t. Lauren and Chanler unpack With Love, Megan (why José Andrés is the missing co-host), the Pamela Anderson × Liam Neeson “PR bake-off,” why couple-prank TikToks feel like Dante’s 9th circle, a viral aesthetician chemical-peel horror story, Brittany Mahomes’ 30th with Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo bachelorette, and the latest Kris Jenner/Corey Gamble breakup rumblings. Tech gremlins struck mid-record…so we’re unlocking our joyous Taylor Swift × Travis Kelce engagement special (timeline, ring, and Ed Kelsey revelations). Vote in our Spotify poll for next deep dive! Chapter Timestamps 00:00 — Therapist on hold; Lauren’s solo PR weekend & With Love, Megan ☕️ 02:30 — Why the show needs a high-energy foil (enter José Andrés) ✨ 05:00 — Pamela × Liam: PR stunt…or PR about a PR stunt? 🎬 14:00 — TikTok “I pranked my husband” couples = actual nightmare 📱 19:30 — The Beverly Hills chemical-peel disaster & safety PSA 🧪 24:10 — Brittany’s 30th: Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo trip 🎉 27:10 — Kris & Corey rumor mill, NDAs, and “payday” threats 💼 34:00 — Tech issues → unlocked: Taylor & Travis engagement special 💍 35:30 — Backyard proposal, timeline, and first reactions 🥂 38:00 — Chandler sees the engagement news mid–Q&A, Lauren in therapy 📱 41:00 — Group chat chaos: only two on FaceTime at first 🫠 43:30 — Champagne at 10 a.m.; heteronormative jokes & name-change debate 🍾 47:00 — Proposal vibe: private, cozy, not performative 🌳 50:00 — Engagement timeline decoded: why now ⏳ 52:30 — Ed Kelsey’s viral quote: “She was getting antsy” 🗣️ 55:00 — Reading the photos: backyard setting, candid feel 📸 58:00 — Headphone-crease Easter egg & Swiftie sleuthing 🔍 1:01:00 — Why Travis works: antidote to Taylor’s brooding-artist exes ❤️ 1:04:00 — The ring: vintage aesthetic, Swift-coded style 💎 1:08:00 — Family lore: Swift & Kelsey group chat reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 1:11:00 — Wrapping the joy: Taylor’s new “domestic, happy” era 🌟 1:12:00 — Proposal vibes revisited: cozy backyard details 🌳 1:15:00 — Timing theories: career windows, 2-year milestone, tour break ⏰ 1:18:00 — Ed Kelsey quote unpacked: Swiftie reactions 🗣️ 1:22:00 — Close-reading leaked pics: candid vibes & headphone crease 📸 1:26:00 — Why Travis balances Taylor’s past loves ❤️ 1:30:00 — Ring deep dive: cut, carat, vintage inspiration 💍 1:34:00 — Family group chat lore & reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 1:38:00 — Wrapping with joy: Taylor’s fairytale moment 🌟 1:41:00 — Engagement euphoria cool-down: what this means for her next era ✨ 1:47:00 — Back to With Love, Meghan: struggle to fill content, “thank God for Taylor’s engagement” 🥂 1:48:00 — Brutal timing: teaser same day as New Heights pod + engagement on premiere 📺💔 1:49:00 — Not “Meghan-coded,” just bad luck; no Harry, only crew at finale 🎥 1:49:30 — Meghan × cameraman (glasses guy) = more chemistry than guests 😂👓 1:50:00 — Rosewater spray = rare fun sparkle ✨🌹 → sign-off: “Love you guys, see you Wednesday!” Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! Macy’s: Shop now at macys.com or in stores now! Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Cozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POP Hero Bread: 10% off using code POP at hero.co Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gwyneth wipes her IG avatar and drops a cinematic “new chapter” reel—memoir incoming? We connect the dots, then dive into that Ben Affleck discourse (technically excellent… and reportedly livid). Next up: Burning Man déjà-dust, Zoë Kravitz’s very public summer (Harry Styles, Austin Butler), and the legendary “snake in Taylor’s bathroom” story. Serena Williams opens up about GLP-1s and a Ro partnership, we unpack the optics, and we parse those Wayfarer/Justin Baldoni court docs everyone’s calling a “smear campaign” against Blake Lively. Finally, RHOSLC’s chaotic trailer and a very cute 30th birthday recap. Buckle in.  00:00 Intro & studio glow-up + brunette banter 💡💇‍♀️ 04:00 Burning Man dust-storm PTSD & “art cars are… floats?” 🌪️🚐 15:00 Gwyneth’s IG wipe + collage reel: is it a book? 📖✨ 19:00 Ben Affleck “livid” over bedroom chatter (Amy Odell tie-in) 😳☕️ 25:00 Zoë x Harry (and Austin), hotness rankings, boyish vs. broad 🌶️💋 32:00 Taylor Swift snake story: bathroom demolition for a reptile 🐍🛁 36:00 Serena Williams on GLP-1s + Ro partnership: destigmatize or #ad? 💉🏅 39:00 Chandler turns 30: art, rings, and three massive bouquets 🎂🎁 43:00 Wayfarer/“smear” headlines vs. what the docs actually say ⚖️📄 47:00 RHOSLC trailer chaos: powdered wigs & pointed reads 🥶🍷 50:00 Meghan Markle chatter: rebrands, shade, and Sussex fatigue 👑📰 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

From a brazen Food52 embezzlement to Meghan’s Netflix “first-look” spin, plus Margaret Qualley’s cringe moment, K-Fed’s tell-all, Leo’s eternal 32—and the nothing-burger “dark truth” about Pooky & Jet.  00:00 🎧 — Cold open: today’s menu 01:00 🎂 — Chan turns 30 (homebody chic) 05:20 🍞 — Food52 scandal: Studio 52, luxe receipts, and “how did no one notice?”  12:30 👑 — Meghan’s trailer vs. Taylor’s takeover (and why the vibes feel copy-paste S1)  18:40 📺 — The jukebox-parlor music bit & what would actually make Meghan’s show pop  23:10 📰 — Netflix “first-look” explained (not a fat renewal—here’s what it really means)  27:20 🎤 — Margaret Qualley’s awkward answer about Taylor & Jack (tone tells all)  31:00 📚 — K-Fed’s tell-all and Sam Asghari’s “professional father” crack  35:10 💬 — Why “full-time dad” ≠ hero arc (context matters)  36:30 🕺 — Leo “feels 32” (and the obvious joke)  39:45 💑 — Pooky & Jet: the “dark truth” that wasn’t (performative ≠ sinister)  45:00 🧳 — Lightning round: what show should the Sussexes actually make? Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! BetterHelp: This is an advertisement from Betterhelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Macy’s: Shop now at macys.com or in stores now! Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com Cozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POP Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Taylor Swift just hijacked the entire Pop Apologists docket — and Chanler & Lauren are living for it! From cryptic orange sparkles to a khaki skirt, a mint briefcase, and one very un-Swift-like F-bomb, the girls deep-dive every Easter egg, theory, and reveal surrounding TS12. Plus, a swoon-worthy GQ profile of Travis Kelce, the TikTok saga that broke their brains, and a dash of celeb vow renewal gossip to round it out. Timestamps: 00:00 – 🎤 TS12 announcement reactions & New Heights teaser 07:00 – 🎶 Album sound rumors & producer lineup 15:00 – 📀 Release date theories & cover art leaks 20:00 – 🎧 Why Taylor choosing a podcast is a power move 25:00 – 🕵️‍♀️ Easter eggs that led to TS12 35:00 – 🎭 Album title debate: Life of a Showgirl 39:00 – 📋 Playlist clues & production style predictions 40:00 – 📰 Travis Kelce’s GQ profile & relationship insights 47:00 – 💪 Travis on Taylor’s work ethic & humility 53:00 – 🏈 Childhood, family values & shared backgrounds 57:00 – 💍 Nicola Peltz & Brooklyn Beckham vow renewal 59:00 – 🌀 “I Fell in Love with My Psychiatrist” TikTok deep dive Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! Clean Simple Eats: 10% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Macy’s: Shop the Big Home Sale at macys.com or in stores now! EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com Wayfair: Head to Wayfair dot com right now to shop all things Home. Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gwyneth Paltrow might be one of the most beautiful, hated, privileged, and mystifying celebrities alive—and this week, Chanler sits down with journalist and author Amy Odell to unpack it all. From Oscar meltdowns to Goop jade eggs and $200K necklaces, the girls dig into what makes Gwyneth so adored… and so triggering. (00:00:00) 📚  Introduction to Gwyneth: The Biography by Amy Odell (00:01:55) 👸 Why choose Gwyneth Paltrow for the next biography? (00:05:20) 💎 Her Oscar win & the $200K necklace (00:09:01) 🏡 The bubble of her bi-coastal, wealthy childhood (00:11:47) 🎭 From dramatic roles to comedic flops (00:17:55) 🔥 What Gwyneth represents and why she is a trigger to some (00:24:36) 🧠 Goop work culture and employee drama (00:29:39) 🛍️ The future of Goop and the Target line failure (00:39:27) 🧾 Insights on the 220 people interviewed for the biography (00:42:32) 🎬 Growing up in the shadow of Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner (00:59:32) 💘 Gwyneth’s love interests throughout the years Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! Clean Simple Eats: 10% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Macy’s: Shop the Big Home Sale at macys.com or in stores now! BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Cozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POP Hero Bread: 10% off using code POP at hero.co EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com  Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren’s back from Italy and just in time — because Travis dropped a 13-photo grid hard launching Taylor that basically broke the internet. Chanler catches her up on every sparkly-filtered slide. The girls question if this could mean wedding bells? And the real reason so many brands chimed in on the comment section. (00:00:00) ✈️ Postcards from Italy — Lauren’s friend-filled vacation and her texting boundaries abroad  (00:06:28) 💑 Taylor & Travis Go Public — 13 photos, soft-launch culture, and the wholesome vibes of each pic  (00:19:07) 📱 The Filter Debate — Sparkly edits, signature cameras, and why Taylor’s aesthetic never changes  (00:20:20) 🏰 Chrishell & G Flip’s Third Wedding — Medieval theme, guest fatigue, and how to lose friends annually  (00:23:48) 😬 Beckham Family Feud — Cursed Notes, Instagram blocks, awkward weddings, and very public shade  (00:36:18) 🚤 Yacht Wars — $16M vs. billionaire-level $400M boats, and Sir Elton’s peacekeeping tour  (00:44:05) 🔭 The Coldplay Kiss-Cam Scandal — Public makeouts, lawsuits, and the downfall of Astronomer  (00:51:00) 🌿 Gwyneth’s Surprise Cameo — Her comedic timing, rumored $2M payout, and the copper-fit hustle  (00:56:20) 🧼 Goop vs. Rhode — Hailey Bieber’s billion-dollar exit vs. Gwyneth’s grind  (00:58:00) 📣 What’s Next — Matty Healy’s mom, Katy Perry, Sydney Sweeney and more coming in Friday’s Global Elite episode BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this bonus episode, Chanler is joined by her husband Ben and their wedding planner, Laura from Love, Laura. We discuss what it actually takes to plan a wedding that feels intentional, elevated, and true to you. From walking away from their original venue to rethinking the wedding party altogether, this conversation goes deep on the emotional, logistical, and aesthetic realities of modern wedding planning — with expert advice from Laura herself. Check out Love, Laura on Instagram www.instagram.com/lovelauraevents  Check out Love, Laura events www.lovelaura.co  (00:00:00) 💍 Where to Start — the foundation of a great wedding and why your planner actually matters (00:08:32) 🥂 Defining Your Style — avoiding trend traps, trusting your gut, and staying true to your vision (00:16:40) 🎻 Making It Meaningful — how to create a ceremony that feels intimate, not performative (00:22:13) 🪑 The Guest List Equation — setting boundaries, navigating family politics, and curating with intention (00:28:48) 🧠 Avoiding the Spiral — decision fatigue, emotional overload, and how to reset when it gets too much (00:37:05) 👗 Dress Wisdom — why it’s okay to change your mind, and how to find a look you actually feel good in (00:43:41) 📸 Capturing the Moment — trusting your team, letting go of the shot list, and being present (00:52:20) 💒 Final Advice — Laura’s golden rule, Ben’s hot take, and the one thing every bride should prioritize Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, Lauren and Chanler sit down with the legendary jewelry designer, Jade Trau, for a glimmering deep dive into the art of jewelry that empowers, carries memories, and actually fits your lifestyle. From self-gifting diamond bracelets to refreshing engagement rings, this episode is a masterclass in fine jewelry. ✨ Check out Jade Trau jadetrau.com  Use code POPAPOLOGISTS at checkout for 10% off your order Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% off best-selling temperature-regulating sheets, apparel, and more. Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout to get 10% off your order. Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. CashApp Download Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/5bx4lt9z #CashAppPod As a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. (00:00:00) 💎 The Roman Empire Is Real — Lauren’s obsession with Jade, push presents, and showroom dreams (00:10:05) 🎯 Imposter Syndrome & Value — deciding to do the thing anyway (00:18:34) 💍 Jewelry As Identity — self-purchasing women, wearable power, and middle finger diamonds (00:28:41) 🌎 Jewelry & Sustainability — vintage stones, timelessness, and why it’s not like fast fashion (00:36:12) ✨ Where to Start — fine jewelry 101: ears first, personality always (00:39:48) 🧠 Styling with Intention — when jewelry feels like you, and why that’s everything (00:44:55) 💘 Engagement Ring Refresh — what’s trending (or not), and how to reimagine your forever (00:55:40) 🚩 Red Flags — what to watch for in quality, materials, and brands Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

From crayon-sketched love letters to a full-blown national manhunt, Lauren and Chanler unravel the sharpest left turn in Pop Apologists history. What starts as a casual Bin Laden doc spiral turns into a CIA-level obsession, a George Bush fangirl confession, and an unhinged (but stunning) PR breakdown of America’s longest-running villain arc. BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  Wayfair: Shop outdoor furniture, grills, lawn games, and WAY more for WAY less. Head to Wayfair.com right now to explore a HUGE outdoor selection. Progressive: Give it a try at Progressive.com  (00:00:00)💍 Next Week Teasers — Courtney Grow, Sam from Sauce Media, and Chanler’s wedding planner ep reveal (00:05:00) 🎯 Why Bin Laden? — Netflix recs, moral anxiety, and Obama’s situation room doc teaser (00:08:30) 👳‍♂️ Osama Bin Laden Origins — Billionaire roots, Mecca PR flops, and why he ghosted Saudi royalty (00:14:10) 💣 First Attacks + Fatwas — The Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings and FBI’s first miss (00:22:55) 🕊️ 9/11 Memories — Living in New York post-attack, national grief, and the last time we all agreed on something (00:24:10) 💌 Chanler’s Letter to George Bush — American flags, colored pencils, and “wonderful presidents” (00:36:00) 🕵️‍♀️ The Woman Behind the Win — Torture, aliases, and the analyst who refused to let go (00:43:25) 📊 Obama’s Big Call — Debating the odds, scheduling the raid, and the worst neighbors ever (00:48:05) 🔫 The Kill Shot — 40 minutes, a hallway, and the quietest end to a global obsession See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It’s a LadyGang x Pop Apologists crossover! No dating dilemma is safe. Lauren and Chanler join forces with Becca, Keltie, and Jac to break down the ultimate red flags in a man. Everything from mattress-on-the-floor energy to exes who still use Snapchat. They swap stories about musicians with “permanent rizz,” weigh in on cat dads, cargo pants, and settle the debate once and for all: Can a man be too outdoorsy?  💌 Check out Lady World Festival: ladyworld.co 🎧 Listen to the LadyGang podcast: LadyGang Earlybird: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365 returns Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% off Progressive: Give it a try at Progressive.com (00:00:00) 🎙️ The Girlies Meet — LadyGang joins the Pop Apologists for a red flag reckoning (00:03:00) 🎸 Dating the Same Guy from Panic! at the Disco — Mutual exes, fan blogs, and teen heartbreak origins (00:06:00) 🧠 Does Musician Rizz Expire? — Hot now, not later, and the Mark McGrath paradox (00:09:15) 🧢 Cargo Pants + Brad Falchuk — Gwyneth’s husband, Roman Empires, and unexpected green flags (00:11:50) 📱 Reels, Ring Lights, and the Male Influencer Ick — Social media addiction as a red flag (00:17:00) 🛋️ Furniture Fails + Red Flag Decor — Gaming chairs, mom co-signs, and bean bag nightmares (00:22:00) 📸 Venmos, Vibes, and Financial Reality Checks — Mint accounts, fake entrepreneurs, and how to math the math (00:28:30) 🏕️ Camping Trauma + Capitalism Compatibility — Tarps, canyons, and the war on flip flops (00:35:40) 🧾 Prenups, Debt Reveals, and the $10 Million Lie — Financial transparency vs. love blindness (00:44:55) 💔 Do Men Ever Change? — Ryan Ross, Jax Taylor, and the myth of the reformed cheater (00:47:10) 👻 Snapchat and Other Modern Red Flags — Disappearing messages, ex-girlfriend mysteries, and online horniness (00:48:40) 🔨 Sam Asghari: General Contractor Edition — Why construction jobs might be the new green flag (00:50:10) 💋 Do He Go Down Though? — Oral reciprocity, period squeamishness, and what it says about him See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, the ultimate chaos agent Jessi Ngatikaura joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about fame, friendship feuds, and what really goes down behind the scenes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. From business blow-ups to relationship red flags, Jessi doesn’t hold back—and neither do your hosts. 💅 Check out Jessi on Instagram @jessijayngatikaura Check out Jessi’s Hair Salon www.jzstyles.com  (00:00:00) 🎥 Behind the Curtain — What Jessi didn’t expect when the show dropped, and how Utah reacted IRL. (00:04:58) 💇‍♀️ Faith, Hair, and Fallout — Running a business in Utah County, balancing Mormon expectations, and bracing for public backlash. (00:10:58) 📉 Jen & Zac’s Messy Arc — Church drama, text receipts, and one unexpected redemption arc. (00:14:50) 💬 Taylor Frankie Paul: Icon or Chaos? — Jessi’s real-life friendship with Taylor, her thoughts on Dakota, and what we didn’t see on camera. (00:18:30) 💥 Hairgate + Demigeddon — What really went down at Saints & Sinners, and why one healing session couldn’t fix the betrayal. (00:26:00) 🧪 Layla, Miranda, and the Spicy Cast Additions — Who brought it, who played it safe, and what’s coming next. (00:32:10) 🔄 Mormon Marriage + Glow-Ups — Jessi on her thyroid surgery, plastic surgery transparency, and the cultural double standards in Utah. (00:38:40) 🔮 Swinging Culture + Mormon Complications — Upside-down pineapples, spiritual loopholes, and what the church says (or doesn’t) about ketamine. (00:43:15) ⚔️ Mikayla vs. Whitney — Feuds, fractures, and where Jessi sees it all heading next season. (00:46:40) 🧁 MomTok Constitution? — Breadwinners, Botox, and redefining Mormon motherhood on TikTok. (00:50:05) 📣 Viewer DMs Save Lives — How Jessi caught a thyroid issue thanks to vigilant fans, and what her recovery journey looked like. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.