We go long on two very different “nepo baby” journeys: Zoë Kravitz—from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history—then pivot to Gracie Abrams—JJ’s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing “Us” with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they “nepo”? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen. Chapter Timestamps00:00 — 🎙️ Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now02:00 — 🧬 Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive07:00 — 🌲 Topanga vs. 🐍 Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide12:00 — ⚠️ Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school15:00 — 🎬 Indie starts → X-Men, Divergent17:30 — 🌊 Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)19:10 — 🦇 The Batman = cultural cementing21:00 — 🎥 Director era: Blink Twice (née Pussy Island)24:00 — 💄 YSL muse energy + “getting ready” vibe check26:00 — 🫶 Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)29:00 — 💘 Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)37:00 — 💍 Paris wedding vibes → divorce → Channing arc (engaged ’23, split ’24) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive44:00 — 🗞️ Mini “scandals”: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote49:00 — 📣 Ad Break (Macy’s Fall Guide) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive52:00 — 🎼 Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA → Barnard56:30 — 😬 First shows + nerves, why the songs land60:00 — 🎧 “I Miss You, I’m Sorry” becomes a thing63:00 — 🫶 Sour tour → ERAS opener, Taylor collab “Us”68:00 — 🔥 Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)72:00 — 🕸️ The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc. #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive85:00 — 🏁 Wrap + who we should deep-dive next Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the world’s easiest soft surface cleaning solution. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Macy’s: Shop at macys.com or in stores now! Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Wayfair: Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.