On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Jason Oakley. Jason is an experienced product marketer, coach, and entrepreneur, recently recognized as a top 100 product marketing influencer. He’s the founder of Productive PMM, where he provides tools, coaching, and inspiration to help founding and solo PMMs deliver meaningful impact without burning out. He’s also the cofounder of DemoDash, an interactive demo agency focused exclusively on Navattic customers, helping SaaS companies turn product demos into one of their most effective go-to-market assets.
In their conversation, they discussed what Jason is hearing from PMMs navigating leaner teams and tighter budgets, how interactive demos are evolving as a GTM advantage, the systems and frameworks he’s built through Productive PMM to help solo PMMs scale without burning out, and much more. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Rebecca Geraghty, the Senior Vice President of Product Marketing at Publicis Media, where she leads the product marketing department and serves as a key member of the leadership team.
In their conversation, they discussed Rebecca’s decade-long journey in product marketing — from aerospace and hardware to startups and agencies — and how she’s learned to translate complex technology into compelling stories. She shared insights on finding your “superpower” as a PMM, leading with clarity, balancing management and mentorship, the art of a great demo, and how she’s navigated growth and impostor syndrome throughout her career. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Ryan Walker. Ryan is a global marketing, product, and growth executive with over 15 years of experience scaling iconic B2B and B2C platforms—from Meta and TikTok to Reddit and now Boeing.
In their conversation, they discussed aligning teams at scale, preparing for IPOs, navigating regulatory pressure, why alignment, velocity and transparent are key to transformation, and what PMMs need to unlearn to lead in the next decade. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Suyog Deshpande, the Co-Founder and CEO of Webless. Before starting this company, Suyog spent years at some of the most respected names in enterprise tech - Amplitude, Salesforce, and Samsara - helping shape products and go-to-market strategies at scale as a product marketing leader.
In their conversation, they explored what an LLM-native web might actually look like in practice—how companies should think about becoming “LLM-ready,” what metrics will matter in a world beyond pageviews and clicks, and how safety and trust need to be built into agent-driven experiences. Suyog also shared lessons from his time in “big tech” that inform how he’s approaching this transformation, and we talked about the roadblocks and signals that will determine whether this shift takes hold. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Rebecca Shaddix. Rebecca is a seasoned product marketing leader with experience at companies like Garner Health, 15Five, and GoGuardian.
They discuss reclaiming time, leading through scale, and how funding models shape go-to-market. Rebecca also shared lessons from high-trust industries, nonprofit leadership, and what to do when you feel off-track - despite doing everything “right". Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with marketing executive and AI advisor, Liza Adams. Liza has held senior marketing leadership roles at major companies like Smartsheet, Juniper Networks, and Pure Storage, and now helps organizations accelerate growth through applied AI strategies at GrowthPath Partners.
They discuss all things AI including, what marketing leaders are missing today, the future of the org chart, what tomorrows roles might look like, tactical tips on how to elevate your role using AI., and much more. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Erica Yamamoto, Head of Marketing at Outschool.
They discuss the challenges of building and marketing two-sided marketplaces, constructing teams through scale and uncertainty, and how her team is starting to use generative AI. Erica also reflects on the shifting landscape of education, how families are rethinking traditional schooling, why that makes Outschool’s mission more relevant than ever, and much more. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Jeff Hardison, CRO of CaseMark and former VP of Product Marketing at Calendly.
They discuss the complexities behind operating a hybrid go-to-market motion, the positioning and messaging LinkedIn industrial complex, the nuances of product marketing and leadership in startups vs enterprise organizations, and they even touch on GTM engineering. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Rahim Kaba, the VP Analyst at Gartner, focused on the product marketing discipline.
Together, they dive deep into the current high priority areas for product marketing organizations, common mistakes that are being made, how the function differs from early stage to enterprise, the emergence of Centers of Excellence, and the future outlook of the discipline. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Karen Budell, CMO of Totango, an enterprise leader in customer success software. Karen was also named one of Pavilion’s “50 CMOs to Watch.”
Together, they dive deep into two critical topics: how to build a brand that scales, and what it really takes to integrate companies during mergers or acquisitions—culturally, operationally, and strategically. The episode wraps with sharp advice for product marketing leaders aspiring to move into the CMO seat. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon chats with Jason Smith, the visionary CEO and Co-Founder of Klue. They discuss building bootstrapped businesses vs VC-backed, the risks associated with starting a company, why hiring is a make-it-or-break-it, the downside of corporate decision-making processes, the pros and cons of building in Canada vs the U.S., how often the company vision should evolve, and implementing a community-led growth model, and much more. Enjoy!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Julia Szatar, the Head of Marketing at Tavus, a fast-growing generative AI company redefining what’s possible with personalized video at scale.
They discuss Julia’s experience with Loom during their hyper-growth period post-COVID, what lessons she has taken away from that experience, how she balances priorities and planning in her role at Tavus (whose core products are large language models), advice for product marketing leaders looking to make the jump to CMO, and much more. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon was joined once again by Ryan Sorley. Ryan is the VP of Win-Loss and Co-founder at Klue, having sold his research firm, DoubleCheck Research to Klue a few years back. With a career rooted in research and strategy, Ryan has worked with hundreds of B2B tech companies to help them understand why they win and lose deals. He’s held roles at leading firms like Forrester and Gartner and recently authored Blindspots: The Ultimate Guide to Building a Better Win-Loss Program, a practical playbook for companies looking to turn buyer feedback into competitive advantage.
They go deep on all things win-loss, and we get Ryan’s tactical advice on how to set up a win-loss program and how to make it more impactful with the right soft skills. Enjoy!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Max Shaw, Co-Founder of Windmill, an AI company focused on helping people managers be more effective. Prior to founding Windmill, Max worked at Yext for over a decade, departing as the SVP of Product Management, where he oversaw Product Management, Product Marketing, and UX teams.
They disscuss Max's journey from early software projects to his long tenure at Yext and co-founding Windmill, exploring his perspectives on product management, the evolving role of product marketing, the transition from enterprise to startup, and insights into how AI, especially through Windmill, is reshaping workplace management and the skills needed for future professionals. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Gary Arnold, a seasoned go-to-market leader with a unique blend of experience across sales, product, and product marketing. Gary built and led the global product marketing function at PayPal and GoDaddy, and has served in sales leadership roles at Amazon and CardTapp, where he was the Chief Revenue Officer. They dive into marketecture building, how to measure platform success (vs reveue-based, siloed product KPIs), how he scaled a nascent product marketing function at PayPal to a team of 25, how AI is impacting every company's GTM motion including the decline of SEO and the rise of Generative Engine Optimization (or GEO), and much more. Enjoy the conversation!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon chats with Lori Goode, the Chief Marketing Officer of Index Exchange. They discuss what working in hospitality can teach you about being a marketer, why the pace of innovation is what makes ad tech so attractive, the difference between mentors and sponsors, how to advocate for your career, why streaming TV remains so nascent and exciting, why consumer values must be reflected in brands, how ChatGPT is disrupting SEO, how to build your annual plans and budget, and much more. Enjoy!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon chats with Julie Towns, the VP of Product Marketing at Pinterest. They discuss the messy middle of the shopping journey and how Pinterest is in a position to help consumers and brands alike, the power of having a singular focus, the importance of retrospectives, how to lead remote teams, the nuances of having Product Marketing report into Product vs Marketing, and much more. Enjoy!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon chats with Janine Gianfredi, the Chief Marketing Officer at Transcarent and the former Chief Marketing Officer at the United States Digital Service under the Obama Administration. They discuss the healthcare industry and why and how it needs to be simplified, the differences between making decisions at a startup vs an enterprise, lessons from working within Google's innovation unit, X, what it’s like getting recruited by the White House and serving as the Digital Service’s CMO, tons of leadership advice, and much more. Enjoy!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon chats with Emma Stratton, the Founder of Punchy, a consulting and training firm that helps B2B tech companies with messaging. They discuss why you should create and invest in a brand, how to break through your mental ceiling, how to write more clearly and with impact using SMIT (you’ll learn what this means), why it is better to operate off of faith not fear, and much more. Enjoy!
On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon chats with Marcus Andrews, the Sr. Director of Product Marketing at Pendo. They discuss how to build a strategic narrative and why it's critical for any business, why GTM models are cyclical and not linear, how to measure product marketing teams' performance, why making quick, iterative decisions is the way to go, and much more. Enjoy!