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Adventures of Alice & Bob
Merchants Media
91 episodes
2 days ago
Welcome to the Adventures of Alice & Bob Podcast, where we talk shop with pen testers, hackers, and the unsung heroes of the cybersecurity world about the human element of being on the front lines of cyber attacks. Produced by Merchants Media. For booking inquires, email booking@merchantsmedia.com RSSVERIFY
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Welcome to the Adventures of Alice & Bob Podcast, where we talk shop with pen testers, hackers, and the unsung heroes of the cybersecurity world about the human element of being on the front lines of cyber attacks. Produced by Merchants Media. For booking inquires, email booking@merchantsmedia.com RSSVERIFY
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Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 91 - Inside the Target Breach War Room // Charles Herring
In this episode, James talks to Charles Herring about what happens when an IT wizard runs away to join the Navy, works on fighter jets, and then gets thrown into cybersecurity right after 9/11? He shares his unconventional journey from the Wild West days of network defense—complete with fighting worms with worms—to being CISO during the Target breach. Plus: why trauma creates silos, why your SOC is like throwing receipts in garbage bags, and what it takes to build a "good neighborhood" in cybersecurity.
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2 days ago
1 hour 1 minute

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 90 - The History of L0pht : The Winnebago Incident and Testifying Before Congress // Chris Wysopal
In this episode, we sit down with Chris Wysopal (aka Weld Pond), co-founder of the legendary L0pht Heavy Industries and CTO/co-founder of Veracode. Chris takes us on a journey from programming BASIC on cassette tapes in the 1970s, through the golden age of BBS culture and phreaking, to testifying before the U.S. Senate as one of the first hackers to bring security concerns to Capitol Hill. You'll hear the untold story of an early penetration test gone spectacularly right—involving command injection, a manhole fire, voicemail hacking, and one very confused executive wondering why hackers wanted a Winnebago. Chris shares what it was like building the first hacker space in America, the challenges of turning hacking from hobby to business, and why creating a new security category took over a decade.
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2 weeks ago
1 hour 3 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep.89 - The Hollywood Hacker: Album Leaks and NSA Whistleblowers // Ralph Echemendia
In this episode, James Maude talks with Ralph Echemendia “the ethical hacker” whose journey from Miami phone phreak to Hollywood’s top cybersecurity consultant is stranger than fiction. Ralph shares how hacking printers and hospital records jump-started his career, why tracking down an Eminem album leak turned into an international manhunt, and what Oliver Stone learned about the NSA at DEF CON. From securing the Snowden film against nation-state attacks to uncovering that studios store entire movies in Dropbox, Ralph exposes Hollywood’s biggest security blind spots and the rise of AI-powered deepfake heists worth hundreds of millions.
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1 month ago
1 hour 1 minute

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 88 - Microsoft Tried to Get Me Fired Weekly // HD Moore
James sits down with cybersecurity pioneer HD Moore, the legendary founder of the Metasploit framework, whose journey from dumpster-diving teenager to cybersecurity pioneer was anything but easy.   HD recounts how Microsoft called his employer weekly trying to get him fired for releasing exploits — harassment that ultimately motivated him to "drop zero days continuously, forever, until it got normal." He shares tales of accidentally controlling satellite systems after following network hops too far, backdooring 7,000 systems through tainted warez, and spending $80,000 on his personal credit card to build the Rapid7 team when traditional corporate processes moved too slowly. From crawling through school windows at 5 AM to access Apple computers as a poor kid, to discovering that Palo Alto devices were leaking 5,000 customers' domain admin passwords to internet scanners, HD's stories illuminate the wild early days when vulnerability research was considered criminal activity rather than corporate necessity. Discover how he accidently destroyed his first self-built computer, why his ex-wife held a pile of cash as bail money ready during years of FBI visits, and how the Phrack IRC channel became an unlikely recruitment ground for his first cybersecurity job.
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1 month ago
55 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 87 - Code Crashes and Vinyl Scratches // Kevin Greene
In this episode, James Maude sits down with Kevin E. Green, Chief Security Strategist at BeyondTrust, whose 25+ year career stretches from configuring Nokia firewalls in basements to shaping federal research initiatives. Kevin recalls how crashing systems during penetration tests at Ernst & Young was once considered a win - a “capture the flag” moment - and how he crossed paths with future industry leaders like Stuart McClure and George Kurtz, who went on to found Cylance. He shares his pivotal work in mapping NIST 800-53 controls to the MITRE ATT&CK framework, transforming static security catalogs into threat-informed heat maps that show which defenses light up against real-world attacks. Blending technical depth with cultural insight, Kevin also draws unexpected parallels between cybersecurity and hip-hop — from how attacker techniques echo rapper “signatures” to why his alter ego "Kevtorious" and his "Secure Coding by Nature" brand reflect the creativity and pattern recognition needed in both fields.
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1 month ago
55 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 86 - When Your VPC Partner Gets Pwned // Brian Wagner
In this episode, James Maude sits down with Brian Wagner, CTO at Revenir, whose cybersecurity story started at just 15, building Microsoft Access databases for a medical hospice. From teenage entrepreneur to AWS security specialist, Brian’s path has been anything but ordinary. He pulls back the curtain on his time with the elite Zipline incident response team where he confronted a catastrophic VPC peering breach that spiraled into data theft and blackmail. Together, James and Brian dissect how vendor network compromises can silently open doors into your cloud and why Brian insists that true security isn’t something you bolt on later - it’s a culture you build from day one.
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2 months ago
54 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep.85 - Subterfuge and Social Engineering // Matthew Toussain
Join host James Maude for a candid conversation with Matthew Toussaint - founder of Open Security and mastermind behind the legendary Subterfuge framework that once forced Starbucks to overhaul its Wi-Fi security. From his unexpected path as an aspiring Air Force lawyer to becoming a renowned cybersecurity educator, Matthew shares a lifetime of stories: a physical pen test that went spectacularly wrong at a franchise location, a medical clinic investigation that exposed an insider threat with international stakes, and how old-school phone-based social engineering works in the age of identity threats. They dive into why AI is about to make help desk social engineering terrifyingly scalable, how a nervous 21-year-old’s DefCon talk reshaped network security, and why, despite decades of warnings, the industry is still failing at the basics while attackers rapidly scale with artificial intelligence.
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2 months ago
48 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 84 - Catching the Csaba Richter Hacker // Miguel Clarke
Former FBI Supervisory Special Agent Miguel Clarke joins hosts James Maude and Marc Maiffret to reflect on 25 years at the front lines of cybersecurity. From coding in BASIC on his Commodore 64 to helping uncover the digital trail behind 9/11, Miguel shares raw, behind-the-scenes stories of how real cyber investigations unfold. In this episode, you'll hear how a casual beer in Nebraska sparked a career in federal law enforcement, why psychology plays a critical role in executing search warrants, and how early cyber sleuths tracked international hackers with nothing but screen scrapes and UUencoded files. Miguel also takes us deep inside the Swedish secret police operation that caught the infamous Csaba Richter hacker, explores the rise of Eastern Europe’s cybercrime economy, and breaks down the forensic breakthroughs that helped investigators piece together one of the most pivotal events in modern history. 00:00 - Introduction and Welcome 01:32 - Early Technology Interest with Commodore Computers 03:24 - System Shock and the $2,100 Computer Upgrade Nightmare 05:22 - Gaming Influence on Career Path and FBI Power Dynamics 06:42 - The Beer That Started an FBI Career 10:03 - FBI Training and Imposter Syndrome at Quantico 14:11 - Sales Skills Meet FBI Investigation Work 18:04 - Search Warrant Psychology and Family Dynamics 24:08 - The Chaba Richter International Cyber Case 27:38 - Eastern European Cybercrime Economy Theory 31:51 - Evolution from Website Defacements to Nation-State Attacks 36:24 - Digital Aspects of 9/11 Investigation 42:25 - 9/11 Digital Forensics and HTML Tag Discovery 47:56 - Transition from FBI to Private Sector 51:32 - Leadership Philosophy and Closing Thoughts
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3 months ago
54 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 83 - The Bug Bounty That Bought a Mini Donkey // Tommy DeVoss (dawgyg)
Tommy DeVoss—aka "dawgyg"—is back for round two, and it’s even wilder. A former black hat who faced prison four times, Tommy turned his life around and became a legend in the bug bounty world. From max-sec prison cells to flexing a championship belt on stage at HackerOne Live, his story is pure hacker folklore. In this episode, he shares how bug bounties bought him mini donkeys, why he still hunts old-school (no tools, no scripts), and how federal judges, rogue AIs, and childhood IRC wars shaped his chaotic path. Expect redemption arcs, sketchy bets, and a surprise detour into Icelandic youth basketball.
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3 months ago
54 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 82 – Security Tools Are Failing: Lessons from the 2025 Microsoft Vulnerability Report
BeyondTrust's 2025 Microsoft Vulnerability Report dropped—and it’s a wake-up call. With 1,360 new vulnerabilities and elevation of privilege attacks dominating the landscape, even insurance companies are backing away from covering privileged service accounts. In this special episode, cybersecurity veterans James Maude, Paula Januszkiewicz, Sami Laiho, Kip Boyle, and Charles Henderson dig into what the data from the 2025 report really means. Forget the fearmongering—this is about clear-headed, field-tested advice. You’ll hear why flashy security tools often sit unused, how simple controls could prevent 60% of attacks, and why "secure by default" still hasn’t delivered. From AI-driven vulnerability discovery to cloud missteps that could sink your stack, this isn’t your usual “patch faster” sermon—it’s a blueprint for getting real results. If you’re overwhelmed by alerts, underwhelmed by your security stack, or just tired of doing more with less, this episode is your lifeline.
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4 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 81 - From DVWA to Nerf Wars: Tales of DigiNinja // Robin Wood
In today’s episode, James Maude chats with Robin Wood—better known as “DigiNinja”—the creator of DVWA and co-founder of SteelCon. Robin shares wild stories from his hacking career, including an infamous SQL injection that accidentally overwrote every customer’s credit card info on a gambling site, how he took down entire client networks with just two packets, and the origins of the UK’s most eccentric security conference, SteelCon—featuring 450 stuffed whippets and full-on Nerf gun warfare.
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4 months ago
57 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 80 - Vampire Satellites, Stolen Wine, and Why Your Boat is a Giant IoT Nightmare // Chris Kubecka
In today's episode, James Maude dives into the world of cyber warfare, espionage, and hacked satellites with the legendary Chris Kubecka—aka the "Chief Hacktress." From grounding overconfident pilots as one of the first female C-5 loadmasters, to investigating mysterious “vampire satellites” that silently disable spacecraft, Chris has lived a life straight out of a cyber-thriller. She recounts her front-line role in the aftermath of the Shamoon cyberattack, one of the most destructive digital assaults in history, which wiped 35,000 systems at Saudi Aramco and sent shockwaves across global security circles. Plus: embassy cyber drama, Turkish spies posing as English students, Yemeni drones with a grudge, and how AI is now a tool in her mission to expose and disrupt digital authoritarianism. And yes, we also talk about why your boat is a terrifying floating IoT vulnerability.
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5 months ago
58 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 79 - Hacking Rifles and Protecting Reporters // Runa Sandvik
In this episode, host James Maude sits down with Runa Sandvik, a cybersecurity pioneer protecting journalists and vulnerable populations worldwide. From hacking wi-fi enabled rifles to creating secure tip systems for The New York Times, Runa shares the fascinating journey that led her from Norway's tight-knit tech scene to the frontlines of digital security. 
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5 months ago
48 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep.78 - Champagne at 2AM: The International Zotob Takedown // Kymberlee Price
In this episode, cybersecurity veteran, Kymberlee Price joins James and Marc for a riveting conversation that traces her unconventional path from public health to becoming a pioneering force at Microsoft Security. Kymberlee opens up about her classified work tracking down the creators of the infamous Zotob worm, and how that experience helped reshape how companies collaborate with security researchers. With clarity and candor, she tackles the pitfalls of the vulnerability “whack-a-mole” approach, the art of communicating real risk, and why the best cybersecurity minds don’t always come from traditional backgrounds. It’s a must-listen for anyone curious about the human side of threat hunting—and the hidden strengths in forging your own path.
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6 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 77 - Bugs in the System: When Moths Hack Power Plants // Lesley Carhart
In this episode, James Maude chats with industrial cybersecurity expert Lesley Carhart (aka "Hacks for Pancakes"), whose journey from programming on her family farm to protecting critical infrastructure was shaped by curiosity and determination. Lesley reveals how moths accidentally activating a power plant touchscreen led to a late-night "Chinese hackers" investigation, explains why she carries a "marriage counseling" sign when mediating between feuding IT and OT teams, and delivers a passionate wake-up call about the industry's mentorship crisis and the brutal reality facing cybersecurity newcomers today.
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6 months ago
52 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 76 - Phishing, Predictions, and Starship Troopers // Brian Kime
In this episode, James Maude chats with cyber threat intel pro Brian Kime, whose journey from the Army’s infamous “chemical guy” to security expert was partly inspired by Starship Troopers. Brian dishes on his legendary Dell SecureWorks phishing op that hit a wild 50% click rate—by predicting an IPO years ahead of time. He also unpacks why vulnerability management can stall business and how design thinking can reshape threat intel.
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7 months ago
58 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 75 - DOS Viruses & Catching Chinese APT Hackers // Roger Grimes
James Maude chats with Roger Grimes, a 36-year cyber veteran and KnowBe4’s Defense Evangelist. From hacking DOS viruses for John McAfee to catching Chinese APT hackers red-handed, Roger’s war stories are unforgettable. But he’s not just here for the drama—he lays out a bold plan to fix Internet security and reveals why social engineering remains our biggest blind spot. Don't miss this episode—it's a masterclass in cyber warfare, deception, and the battle for a safer digital future!
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7 months ago
53 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 74 - The Accidental Worm that Shutdown a University // Sounil Yu
In this episode, James sits down with Sounil Yu, the mind behind the Cyber Defense Matrix and DIE Triad frameworks that have transformed how organizations approach security. From his early days getting stuffed in lockers as a self-described computer geek to becoming a disruptive force at Bank of America and co-founding Gnostic, Sounil shares the mental models that have guided his three-decade journey in cybersecurity. They discuss how an accidental college worm shutdown taught valuable lessons in OpSec, and why Sounil starts with the icebreaker question: "What's the most IT damage you've caused without getting fired?"
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8 months ago
53 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 73 - How a Magazine Article Led to a Cybersecurity Empire // Richard Stiennon
In this episode, James chats with Richard Stiennon—cybersecurity analyst, author, and former aerospace engineer—whose 20+ year journey spans from designing car seats to hacking corporate systems for giants like Dell. Hear how a 1992 magazine article led him to launch his own ISP and rise to prominence at Gartner. Richard shares his personal stories from the frontlines of cybersecurity, his crusade against risk management jargon, and bold predictions on AI’s impact on security. Plus, private jet mishaps and the unconventional wisdom behind IT Harvest. 
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8 months ago
55 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Ep. 72 - Recreating the Hackers Movie // Keren Elazari
Step into the fascinating mind of Keren Elazari—the first Israeli woman to give a TED Talk and a trailblazing force in cybersecurity. Once rejected by her school’s D&D group, she defied expectations to become a globally recognized security analyst, reshaping the narrative around hackers. In this episode, we dive into Keren’s remarkable journey—from a curious young girl armed with an encyclopedia and inspired by the movie Hackers to a leading voice in digital security. She shares personal stories from her early hacking days, her groundbreaking work in building inclusive tech communities, and her bold vision for the future of cybersecurity. And as a special treat, get exclusive insights into a never-before-seen fan remake of Hackers featuring legendary industry figures. Here is a link to the Hackers remake - https://vimeo.com/178240969
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8 months ago
54 minutes

Adventures of Alice & Bob
Welcome to the Adventures of Alice & Bob Podcast, where we talk shop with pen testers, hackers, and the unsung heroes of the cybersecurity world about the human element of being on the front lines of cyber attacks. Produced by Merchants Media. For booking inquires, email booking@merchantsmedia.com RSSVERIFY