In this episode, we sit down with Chris Wysopal (aka Weld Pond), co-founder of the legendary L0pht Heavy Industries and CTO/co-founder of Veracode. Chris takes us on a journey from programming BASIC on cassette tapes in the 1970s, through the golden age of BBS culture and phreaking, to testifying before the U.S. Senate as one of the first hackers to bring security concerns to Capitol Hill. You'll hear the untold story of an early penetration test gone spectacularly right—involving command injection, a manhole fire, voicemail hacking, and one very confused executive wondering why hackers wanted a Winnebago. Chris shares what it was like building the first hacker space in America, the challenges of turning hacking from hobby to business, and why creating a new security category took over a decade.