James sits down with cybersecurity pioneer HD Moore, the legendary founder of the Metasploit framework, whose journey from dumpster-diving teenager to cybersecurity pioneer was anything but easy.   HD recounts how Microsoft called his employer weekly trying to get him fired for releasing exploits — harassment that ultimately motivated him to "drop zero days continuously, forever, until it got normal." He shares tales of accidentally controlling satellite systems after following network hops too far, backdooring 7,000 systems through tainted warez, and spending $80,000 on his personal credit card to build the Rapid7 team when traditional corporate processes moved too slowly. From crawling through school windows at 5 AM to access Apple computers as a poor kid, to discovering that Palo Alto devices were leaking 5,000 customers' domain admin passwords to internet scanners, HD's stories illuminate the wild early days when vulnerability research was considered criminal activity rather than corporate necessity. Discover how he accidently destroyed his first self-built computer, why his ex-wife held a pile of cash as bail money ready during years of FBI visits, and how the Phrack IRC channel became an unlikely recruitment ground for his first cybersecurity job.