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Shallow
Phoebe Whittle & Lucy Bell
32 episodes
3 weeks ago

Join us as we dive into the topics that keep us talking long after the group chat goes quiet. 


Each episode, your hosts Lucy Bell and Phoebe Whittle (two friends - yes, groundbreaking!) start in the shallow end, before deep-diving into the topic of the week. 


We hand-pick each subject, from our obsession with beauty and wellness trends to navigating ambition and careers, these are the conversations filling our WhatsApp inboxes and flooding our social media feeds.


We’re here to break down pop culture moments and movements, question the trends we can’t seem to escape, and explore our thoughts along the way. So, are we all underplaying it… or is it really that deep?


Let’s talk about it!


Follow us at:

Insta @shallowpod

TikTok @shallowpod

Youtube @ShallowPodcast




Email us at:

shallow@boxedoff.studio


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Join us as we dive into the topics that keep us talking long after the group chat goes quiet. 


Each episode, your hosts Lucy Bell and Phoebe Whittle (two friends - yes, groundbreaking!) start in the shallow end, before deep-diving into the topic of the week. 


We hand-pick each subject, from our obsession with beauty and wellness trends to navigating ambition and careers, these are the conversations filling our WhatsApp inboxes and flooding our social media feeds.


We’re here to break down pop culture moments and movements, question the trends we can’t seem to escape, and explore our thoughts along the way. So, are we all underplaying it… or is it really that deep?


Let’s talk about it!


Follow us at:

Insta @shallowpod

TikTok @shallowpod

Youtube @ShallowPodcast




Email us at:

shallow@boxedoff.studio


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Fashion & Beauty
Arts,
News,
Health & Fitness,
Mental Health,
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Episodes (20/32)
Shallow
Bonus Episode: The Life of a Showgirl Album Review

Nobody asked, but we had to. Welcome to The Life of a Showgirl album review... a dive into one of the most talked-about pop releases of the year.


We break down how The Life of a Showgirl was marketed, the online backlash and praise, and the cultural conversation it sparked. Was it overhyped? Underrated? And most importantly... is it actually that deep?


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3 weeks ago
31 minutes 22 seconds

Shallow
Ep 30. Be Quiet, Woman!

The Shallow Take? Internalised misogyny isn’t that deep… right?


You’ve heard the jokes...

“I’m not like other girls,”

“She’s too emotional,”

“Girls are just so dramatic.”


But what if the punchline is actually the problem?


This week on Shallow, we’re diving into the subtle, everyday ways internalised misogyny shows up in our thoughts, our words, and how we treat other women — often without even realising it.


We’re talking about the messages we’ve absorbed since day one: that femininity is weakness, that women are competition, that we should shrink ourselves (and our bodies) to be accepted.


So… is internalised misogyny just another internet buzzword, or is it shaping how we see ourselves and each other?


Let’s find out if it’s really that deep 🎧


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1 month ago
33 minutes 57 seconds

Shallow
Ep 29. Underconsumption with Ashleigh Cameron

The Shallow Take? Overconsumption is out, and underconsumption might finally be in.


After years of shopping hauls, fast fashion, and feeling like every outfit needs to be worthy of the gram', are we finally done with buying stuff we don’t need?


This week on Shallow, we’re joined by fashion writer and industry expert Ashleigh Cameron to talk about why less might really be more. From falling back in love with your wardrobe to challenging the constant pressure to consume, we’re asking:


– Is 2025 the year we stop shopping?

– Can you still love fashion without buying anything new?

– Is underconsumption just another trend… or something deeper?


Let’s dive into the rise of rewearing, rethinking, and reclaiming our style... without maxing out our credit cards.


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1 month ago
43 minutes 41 seconds

Shallow
Ep 28. Will I Have A Better Life If I'm Hot?

The Shallow Take? Looking good is a fast track to success.


But is pretty privilege actually real, or just another way we justify chasing impossible beauty standards?


In this episode of Shallow, we’re diving into the link between appearance and opportunity. Does looking your best really make you more productive? Can being attractive open doors in work, dating, and life? Or… are we just stuck in a loop of performative self-improvement?


We’re asking whether beauty really equals power... or if it’s all just surface-level.


Let’s dive in.


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2 months ago
45 minutes 45 seconds

Shallow
Ep 27. Reality TV with Lottie Somers

The Shallow Take? Reality TV is the ultimate guilty pleasure.


Fake fights, mystery “sources,” chaotic edits, we know it’s not real, but we still can’t stop watching. From Made in Chelsea to Real Housewives to Keeping Up with the Kardashians, the past decade has been a binge-worthy mess… and we’ve loved every second.


But is it all harmless drama? Or has reality TV helped fuel a culture obsessed with beauty, fame, and clout?


This week, we’re joined by the oracle of reality TV herself, Lottie Somers, to unpack the highs, lows, and so many confessionals.


We’re asking: Is it empowering… or exploitative? How has reality TV reshaped pop culture? And is the drama ever actually real?


Scripted or not, the gossip’s good.


Is it really that deep? Let’s dive in.


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2 months ago
46 minutes 49 seconds

Shallow
Ep 26. Only Fans: Is The Price Tag Worth The Payout? (Pt 2)

The Shallow Take? OnlyFans is rebranding exploitation as liberation.


But is it really that simple?


In this episode, we’re diving into the world of OnlyFans... The platform often painted as either empowering or exploitative, depending on who you ask.


Critics say it profits off women’s bodies, feeds the male gaze, and reinforces toxic beauty standards. But for some creators, it’s a space for autonomy, agency, and serious income. So... is OnlyFans giving women power, or just another system built by men, for men?


We’re talking sex, money, control, and whether liberation inside a broken system is even possible.


Is it really that deep?


Let’s dive in.


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2 months ago
38 minutes 54 seconds

Shallow
Ep 25. OnlyFans Is The Price Tag Worth The Payout? (Pt 1)

The Shallow Take? OnlyFans is where people take their clothes off for cash.


But what if it’s actually rewriting the rules around sex, money, and women’s control? For some creators, it’s not just about content - it’s about power. A platform where women set their own terms, own their audience, and keep the profits.


In this episode, we’re unpacking how OnlyFans works, why it’s become a cultural lightning rod, and whether it’s actually a feminist revolution… or just capitalism in a cuter outfit.


This is part one of a two-part conversation on sex work, autonomy, and the business of desire.


🎧 Hit play & Dive in - it’s way deeper than you think.


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2 months ago
31 minutes 58 seconds

Shallow
Ep 24. 'I Went Sober For A Year' - Was It Really That Deep?

The Shallow Take? Going sober is the obvious healthy choice… but is it actually that deep?


This week on Shallow, we’re picking up where our sober-curious deep dive left off, with a real-life test.

We’re joined by our friend Jordan Fores-Higgens, who gave up alcohol for an entire year leading up to her 30th birthday.


No cocktails, no “just one" - A full year, booze-free.


So… did it change her life? Was it a glow-up, a wake-up, or just another wellness trend dressed in clean-girl aesthetics?


We’re talking sober milestones, unexpected identity shifts, social pressure, and whether giving up drinking is really that deep.


Let’s dive in.


TW: discussions of alcoholism & suicidal thoughts


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2 months ago
38 minutes 30 seconds

Shallow
Ep 23. The Fashion Industry with Christine Lindebak

The Shallow Take: Fashion is frivolous.


This week on Shallow, we’re joined by designer and entrepreneur Christine Lindebak (founder of Sewing in the City) to talk about what really goes on behind the scenes of the fashion industry.


From self-expression to identity, politics to power, fashion shapes how we see ourselves and how we’re seen. But behind the glamour is a different story: global supply chains, labour conditions, sustainability, and the high cost of “cheap” clothes.


Christine shares her journey, from working in New York City for renowned fashion houses to building her own brand and reimagining the industry from the inside out, with a focus on ethics, inclusivity, and creativity.


Is the fashion industry actually much deeper than it looks? Let’s dive in.


Find Christine here...

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Sewing & The City Website

YouTube


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3 months ago
40 minutes 57 seconds

Shallow
Ep 22. Shallow Book Club: ACOTAR

Shallow Book Club kicks off with a romantasy giant - Sarah J. Maas’s A Court of Thorns and Roses.


We’re diving headfirst into the fae-filled world of ACOTAR: from plot twists and politics to wingspans and spice levels. Whether you’re deep in the Night Court or just curious about the hype, this is your all-access guide to the series that defined a genre.


Perfect for fans of romantasy, faerie smut, and strong female leads.


🎧 Hit play and join the club.


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3 months ago
54 minutes 5 seconds

Shallow
Ep 21. Do Celebs Owe Us The Truth About Plastic Surgery?

The Shallow Take: Celebs are lying about plastic surgery. 


In a world where beauty is currency, what happens when the people setting the standard won’t admit they’ve had a little work done? Are celebrities protecting their right to privacy, or selling an impossible ideal the rest of us can’t afford to chase?


This week on Shallow, we’re asking:

Do celebs owe us honesty about plastic surgery, and when beauty becomes business, does silence become strategy? 


We unpack the grey area between personal choice and public influence, why beauty is now big business, and whether transparency is a fair ask, or just not that deep.


If you’ve ever wondered why everyone looks the same... or felt a little gaslit by a “just water and sleep” skincare routine - this one’s for you



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3 months ago
38 minutes 30 seconds

Shallow
Ep 20. Its Not Me, It's U.K

The Shallow Take: We're catching flights, not feelings ✈️


To close out Season 2, we’re talking about the big one: moving abroad. Whether it’s chasing the sun, starting over, or escaping the grind, the idea of packing up your life and heading somewhere new is more popular than ever (thanks, TikTok!).


It’s easy to believe the grass is always greener somewhere sunnier. But what’s it really like? To zoom in on the UK to Aus move (it's what we know) we’ll be diving into the dream versus the reality of travelling and making that big move. 


We hope you enjoy this episode. See you in season 3!



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4 months ago
34 minutes 30 seconds

Shallow
Ep 19. Are We All Dressing The Same?

The Shallow Take: We’re all dressing the same.


From that Uniqlo bag to white socks and loafers… is the algorithm dressing us?

With TikTok trends and Pinterest-core aesthetics leading the charge, has personal style become harder to curate?


We’re diving into the death of individuality, revisiting fashion eras from owl pendants to indie sleaze and bandage dresses.


Was everyone dressing the same before Instagram? Or is it just not that deep?


Let’s dive in 💦


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5 months ago
31 minutes 43 seconds

Shallow
Ep 18. The Pill x Bethan Walters

The Shallow Take: The pill is just a contraceptive…


In our very first guest episode (!!), we’re joined by menstrual health advocate @bethanwalters to unpack the real story behind the pill.


We’ve been prescribed it young, for cramps, acne, “regulating” our cycles - often without questioning what it’s really doing in our bodies. So is it even about preventing pregnancy anymore? Have we normalised taking hormonal birth control without understanding the impact?


We talk period pain, medical gaslighting, and ask the big one: should we be taking it at all?


Let’s dive in.



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5 months ago
37 minutes 19 seconds

Shallow
Ep 17. The Glow-Up

The Shallow Take: What's the harm in self-improvement?


This week, we’re talking about the glow-up trend.


Those before-and-after videos flooding our feeds with beauty tips, routines and transformations. Some of it’s inspiring, sure. But a lot of it? Kind of exhausting.

We’re asking: when does self-improvement go too far? Are we really becoming the best version of ourselves - or just chasing a re-packaged version of the same beauty standards?


Let’s dive in.



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5 months ago
34 minutes 23 seconds

Shallow
Ep 16. Friendship Break-Ups

The Shallow Take: Your friendship group only gets smaller


We all know the playbook for romantic breakups, but what happens when a friendship feels “over”? Do we face it head-on or let it fizzle out?


A serious sit-down conversation might feel childish, ghosting could do more harm than good... or maybe it’s just not that deep.


This week, we’re unpacking the messy world of friendship breakups, why they happen, how to handle them, and if they deserve the same attention as romantic ones.


Let’s dive in.



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5 months ago
37 minutes 11 seconds

Shallow
Ep 15. Who's Bringing Skinny Back?

Is thin back in... or is it just not that deep? 🙃


We unpack the rise of Ozempic and ask: should celebs be honest about using it?


From the Kardashians quietly shedding their signature curves to a full-blown return of '90s and 2000s skinny-era fashion, we trace the cultural shift that’s bringing “thin” back into style. Plus: a rewind to heroin chic, that Met Gala moment, and why we’re f*cking tired of women’s bodies being treated like trend cycles. We dive in!



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6 months ago
32 minutes 28 seconds

Shallow
Ep 14. I cant, I'm busy...

Sorry, I can't. I'm busy!


In this episode we dive into the grind of hustle culture - from working multiple jobs to stay afloat, to the constant pressure to do MORE. Is being busy a badge of honour or a sign of something more broken beneath the surface? 



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6 months ago
35 minutes 26 seconds

Shallow
Ep 13. Just... Taylor Swift

Grab a bottle and brace yourself for many shots - Lucy’s birthday wish came true, and we’re dedicating an entire episode to none other than Miss Taylor Swift.


What happens when the guitar-toting girl next door becomes a global billionaire? We’re breaking down her epic journey: the meteoric rise, the public fall, and that iconic comeback - plus those unforgettable pop culture moments (yes, we’re talking the 2009 VMAS and Hiddleswift chaos).


In Episode 13 of Shallow (IYKYK), we dive deep into the phenomenon that is Taylor Swift.




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6 months ago
43 minutes 2 seconds

Shallow
Ep 12. Beauty Breakout

From sobriety to skincare… who said we don’t have range?! 👀


We’re keeping it light this week, chatting about the everyday (kinda boring, unsexy, but very essential) skin and hair products we swear by, our thoughts on clean beauty - plus, how a bag of sea salt saved Phoebe's face..? Annnnnd, we couldn't chat skincare without giving a nod to the queen herself, Caroline Hirons.


Are we high-maintenance? Maybe a little 🤏


Skin conditions episode

Hair loss episode



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6 months ago
36 minutes

Shallow

Join us as we dive into the topics that keep us talking long after the group chat goes quiet. 


Each episode, your hosts Lucy Bell and Phoebe Whittle (two friends - yes, groundbreaking!) start in the shallow end, before deep-diving into the topic of the week. 


We hand-pick each subject, from our obsession with beauty and wellness trends to navigating ambition and careers, these are the conversations filling our WhatsApp inboxes and flooding our social media feeds.


We’re here to break down pop culture moments and movements, question the trends we can’t seem to escape, and explore our thoughts along the way. So, are we all underplaying it… or is it really that deep?


Let’s talk about it!


Follow us at:

Insta @shallowpod

TikTok @shallowpod

Youtube @ShallowPodcast




Email us at:

shallow@boxedoff.studio


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.