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Corey-osity Unleashed
Debra & Ken Corey
13 episodes
5 days ago
Corey-osity Unleashed isn’t your typical leadership podcast - no corporate fluff, no HR jargon. Just raw, real, and unfiltered conversations about how we can (and should) treat our people in today’s messy, complex workplaces. With our guests, we get curious by challenging the norm and questioning the status quo, exploring and unleashing bold new ways to think and act about people and work. Expect tough truths, honest insights, a few laughs, and maybe even a well-placed swear word or two—because let’s be real, our people deserve better, and our businesses can’t afford to keep getting it wrong
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Corey-osity Unleashed isn’t your typical leadership podcast - no corporate fluff, no HR jargon. Just raw, real, and unfiltered conversations about how we can (and should) treat our people in today’s messy, complex workplaces. With our guests, we get curious by challenging the norm and questioning the status quo, exploring and unleashing bold new ways to think and act about people and work. Expect tough truths, honest insights, a few laughs, and maybe even a well-placed swear word or two—because let’s be real, our people deserve better, and our businesses can’t afford to keep getting it wrong
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Corey-osity Unleashed
S2E2 Corey-osity Unleashed with Thomas Erikson

Chapters

00:57 Exploring ‘Surrounded by Bad Bosses’

15:01 The Importance of Communication Styles

19:29 Leadership Dynamics and Trust

22:26 The Power of Admitting Uncertainty

25:27 Understanding Leadership and Management

29:30 The Role of Self-Awareness in Leadership

32:43 The Need for Purpose in Leadership

36:08 Cultural Expectations of Leadership

40:22 The Disconnect Between Expertise and Leadership


Summary

In this second part, the focus shifts to *Surrounded by Bad Bosses* and the everyday psychology of working with - and being - a boss. Thomas traces the path from his earlier books to a “two‑books‑in‑one” format that helps managers and employees understand each other’s realities. He argues most bad bosses aren’t malicious - they’re unaware - and makes the case that self‑awareness is the best predictor of leadership effectiveness because it unlocks people skills and clear communication. Using practical analogies (you need two points on the map to plan any journey), he explains why leaders must know their own pace and adapt up or down to meet others. The discussion covers trust, clarity, and accountability; why expertise doesn’t automatically translate into leadership; how to map a team’s colour mix to anticipate friction (Excel vs PowerPoint people); and why leaders must still lead - listening deeply without abdicating decisions. The hosts connect Thomas’s views to their 3 A’s (Awareness, Acceptance, Action), and the group explores creating conversations that seek causes over blame, so issues get solved rather than recycled.


Keywords

Thomas Erikson, Surrounded by Bad Bosses, leadership, management, trust, communication styles, team dynamics, self-awareness, purpose, clarity, servant leadership debate, mapping team styles, adaptation, psychological safety, expectations, accountability, expertise vs leadership

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2 weeks ago
43 minutes 15 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S2E1 Corey-osity Unleashed with Thomas Erikson

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Thomas Erikson and His Work

02:42 The Concept Behind 'Surrounded by Idiots'

07:36 Understanding Personality Colours and Their Impact

12:15 Cultural Differences and Commonalities in Human Behaviour

18:07 Finding the Right Work Environment for Your Personality

23:27 The Importance of Self-Awareness in Communication

29:19 Navigating Workplace Relationships and Communication Styles

35:31 Understanding Different Management Styles

39:13 The Importance of Clarity in Leadership

40:15 The Evolution of Thomas Erikson's Work

45:28 Connecting with Audiences Through Social Media


Summary

We kick off Season 2 with a barnstormer of a podcast! It was so big we had to split it into two sections! Today is part 1, where Swedish behaviourist and bestselling author Thomas Erikson introduces *Surrounded by Idiots* and the colour-based interpretation of the DISC model. He explains why the provocative title works as a mirror for our own communication blind spots and why most people are blends of colours rather than single types. The conversation explores universal patterns he’s observed worldwide - despite cultural differences - and practical ways to adapt when you don’t yet know someone’s style (“go green”: talk less, listen more, ask open questions). Thomas contrasts natural style vs work style, warns that long-term over‑adaptation - especially across opposite colours (e.g., red at work, green at home) - can lead to stress and burnout, and encourages people to seek environments where they can thrive. He and the hosts discuss labels vs helpful language, clarity vs endless meetings, and why communication - not process - causes most workplace friction. Thomas shares early-career lessons from being a “lousy boss,” underscores personal responsibility in conflicts, and previews the expanded edition of *Surrounded by Idiots* with added material on motivations/drivers and answers to the most frequent reader questions, refined for a wider audience.


Keywords

Thomas Erikson, Surrounded by Idiots, personality colours, DISC colours, communication, listening, cultural differences, behaviourism, self-awareness, interpersonal skills, workplace fit, burnout risk, mentoring, adaptation, Finnish culture, clarity, expanded edition

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1 month ago
48 minutes 23 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E10 Corey-osity Unleashed with Grace Judson

Join hosts Ken and Debra Corey for an eye-opening conversation with Grace Judson – a leadership coach, former Fortune 500 executive (25+ years at EMC, Munich Re, HP), and author of The Five Deadly Shoulds of Office Politics. Grace shares how embracing leadership humility and vulnerability can transform your leadership mindset and team culture.


We delve into building a coaching culture where managers coach rather than command, fostering psychological safety so even quiet voices are heard, and empowering your people without falling into common traps. Grace discusses her “three resistance monsters” framework for effective change management, revealing why communicating the “why” of change (not just the how) is critical to gaining buy-in – echoing Simon Sinek’s emphasis on purpose. She also tackles trust and empowerment: why trust is the foundation of any great team, how leaders can rebuild trust after missteps, and how true empowerment involves guidance and clarity (not just tossing people in the deep end). Grace candidly challenges conventional wisdom on office politics and the “deadly shoulds,” showing how to navigate workplace dynamics with authenticity and courage.


This episode is packed with real-life stories – from Ken’s own lesson in humility to wisdom from thought leaders like Alan Alda (on listening), Brené Brown (on vulnerability), and Grace Hopper (on leading vs managing). Grace even touches on her OHIMA 2024 keynote on the emotional, people-centric side of change leadership, underscoring the human heart of successful change.


Tune in for a masterclass on leading with empathy, clarity, and courage – perfect for senior HR professionals, seasoned executives, and anyone aspiring to lead positive change. Don’t forget to subscribe to Corey-osity Unleashed, leave a review, follow us on LinkedIn, and visit https://stepituphr.com/corey-osityunleashed for more insights and episodes.


Keywords:

#LeadershipHumility #CoachingCulture #PsychologicalSafety #ChangeManagement #LeadershipMindset #OfficePolitics #TeamDynamics #TrustAndEmpowerment #EmployeeEngagement #ChangeLeadership

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3 months ago
45 minutes 59 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E9 Corey-osity Unleashed with Claude Silver

In a world where workplace culture can make or break performance, Claude Silver is proving that heart-led leadership drives results. As the first-ever Chief Heart Officer at VaynerMedia – and a sought-after speaker on modern leadership – Claude has transformed traditional HR into a people-first experience. She’s now channeling her insights into an upcoming book, Be Yourself at Work, to help leaders build more authentic cultures. In this emotionally charged yet practical episode, Claude shares how infusing empathy, emotional intelligence, and genuine human connection into business can ignite engagement and boost the bottom line.


Claude’s Journey & Vision: We explore her unconventional rise to the C-suite and how she partnered with CEO Gary Vaynerchuk to build a vibrant, high-trust culture from the ground up. Claude discusses her philosophy of “bringing humanity to the workplace,” recounting powerful learning moments that shaped her approach. You’ll hear how she turned HR into a strategic People and Experience team, aligning talent development, employee well-being, and business outcomes.


Key Insights for HR Leaders: This conversation dives into the how-to for today’s future of work challenges – from hybrid work dynamics to strengthening engagement and inclusion. Claude breaks down why diversity and inclusion in hiring isn’t just the right thing to do – it’s smart business – and how creating a culture of belonging fuels innovation. We talk about building a coaching culture where continuous feedback and accountability accelerate growth. Claude emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and vulnerability in leadership, illustrating how emotional intelligence bridges cross-cultural gaps and drives employee engagement.


Whether you’re an HR director reimagining your company culture or a manager striving to elevate team performance, Claude’s stories and strategies will resonate. She shows that when leaders show up with empathy, authenticity, and intentional support, employees thrive – and businesses do too.


If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe on your favorite platform and leave a review – your support helps more leaders find these insights.


🎧 Want more human-first leadership like this? Subscribe and listen to the full episode at StepItUpHR.com/Corey-osityUnleashed.

💡 Learn more about Claude’s approach at ClaudeSilver.com

👥 Connect with Claude on LinkedIn for daily leadership wisdom.

🚀 For behind-the-scenes extras, subscribe on [YouTube] and follow @StepItUpHR on LinkedIn.


Discovery Keywords/Hashtags:

#Leadership #FutureOfWork #EmployeeEngagement #CompanyCulture #EmotionalIntelligence #HR

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3 months ago
48 minutes 14 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E8 Corey-osity Unleashed with Garry Ridge

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Gary Ridge and His Philosophy

03:10 The Boldness of Leadership Titles

06:10 Awareness and Its Impact on Leadership

10:00 Building a People-Centric Culture

11:03 Non-Negotiables for Purpose-Driven Leadership

17:12 The Shift from Manager to Coach

22:00 Embracing the Coach Mindset

23:26 Servant Leadership: Balancing Heart and Head

25:44 Values-Driven Leadership

27:39 Engagement and Disengagement in the Workplace

30:14 Proving the Value of Culture

32:30 Learning from Failure

34:20 The Power of Values

40:07 Authenticity in Leadership

43:28 The Importance of Continuous Learning


Summary

In this engaging conversation, Gary Ridge, CEO of WD-40, shares his insights on leadership, culture, and the importance of creating a people-centric workplace. He discusses his book, 'Any Dumbass Can Do It,' emphasizing that effective leadership is about fostering trust, awareness, and psychological safety. Ridge highlights the shift from traditional management to coaching, the significance of values in decision-making, and the need for authenticity in leadership. He encourages leaders to embrace their role in helping others succeed and to recognize that culture is built over time, not through quick fixes.


Keywords

leadership, culture, coaching, awareness, values, servant leadership, engagement, workplace, trust, psychological safety


More Information

Amy Edmundson, "The Right Kind of Wrong"


www.thelearningmoment.net -> Quiz


Garry Ridge on linkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/garryridge/)


School of Dumbassery

(https://www.linkedin.com/groups/14633002/)


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4 months ago
49 minutes 34 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E7 - Corey-osity Unleashed with Roland Butcher

Chapters


00:00 Introduction to Roland Butcher

01:41 Early Life and Cricket Beginnings

04:04 Breaking Barriers in Cricket

06:05 Understanding the Significance of Breaking Barriers

09:11 Transition from Player to Coach

12:54 The Challenges of Burnout in Sports

16:06 Coaching Philosophy and Breaking Norms

21:21 Influential Mentors and Leadership Lessons

27:14 Empowerment in Leadership

29:10 The Impact of Leadership Stability

32:51 The Art of Feedback

36:03 Adapting to Change in Cricket and Leadership

42:15 Motivation: Navigating Good and Bad Days


Contact


You can buy Roland's book here: https://www.rolandbutcher.co.uk


You can reach Roland here:

rbsportsconsultants@yahoo.com


Summary


In this engaging conversation, Roland Butcher shares his remarkable journey as the first black cricketer to play for England, discussing his early life in Barbados, the challenges he faced in breaking barriers within the sport, and his transition from player to coach. He reflects on the significance of his achievements, the impact of burnout in sports, and his coaching philosophy that emphasizes empowerment and individuality. Butcher also highlights the importance of mentorship and leadership in both sports and business, drawing parallels between the two worlds. In this conversation, Roland Butcher shares insights on leadership, empowerment, and the importance of feedback in both sports and business. He discusses the impact of leadership stability on team performance, the necessity of adapting to changes in the game of cricket, and the challenges of motivating players and employees. Butcher emphasizes the significance of timing in giving feedback and the need for leaders to support their teams through good and bad days.


Keywords


Roland Butcher, cricket, breaking barriers, coaching, leadership, sports history, autobiography, mental health, burnout, empowerment, leadership, empowerment, feedback, cricket, motivation, team dynamics, coaching, change management, performance, strategy



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4 months ago
48 minutes 54 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E6 Corey-osity Unleashed with John Blakey

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Purpose-Driven Leadership

02:14 Inspiration Behind 'Force for Good'

05:03 Understanding 'Force for Good' in Leadership

09:05 Defining Purpose-Driven Leadership

12:14 The Evolving Landscape of Leadership

17:48 Framework for Purpose-Driven Leadership

22:01 Types of Purpose-Driven Leaders

24:13 Understanding Leadership Personas

28:09 The Challenge of Purpose in Leadership

32:50 Building Habits for Purpose-Driven Leadership

36:29 The Importance of Storytelling in Leadership

39:51 Balancing Profit and Purpose in Business


Summary

In this engaging conversation, Dr. John Blakey discusses his new book 'Force for Good' and the concept of purpose-driven leadership. He shares insights on the importance of leaders being a force for good in today's challenging environment, the inspiration behind his book, and the frameworks he provides to help leaders thrive. The discussion also covers the evolving expectations of leaders, the significance of intrinsic values, and the different types of purpose-driven leaders. In this conversation, John Blakey discusses the dynamics of leadership, focusing on the three personas that can influence leaders' effectiveness: the martyr, the zealot, and the Pied Piper. He emphasises the importance of self-awareness and adaptability in leadership roles. The discussion also delves into the challenges of translating purpose into actionable practices within organisations, highlighting the need for discipline and habit formation. John shares insights on storytelling as a powerful tool for inspiring change and addresses the balance between profit and purpose in business, supported by credible research. The conversation concludes with a call to action for leaders to recognise their potential for good and the impact of their choices.


Keywords

purpose-driven leadership, Force for Good, executive coaching, leadership development, resilience, B Corp, intrinsic values, leadership personas, motivation, followership, leadership, purpose, habits, storytelling, profit, personas, change management, leadership development, organizational culture, personal values




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5 months ago
46 minutes 36 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E5 Corey-osity Unleashed with Kul Mahay

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Human-Centered Leadership

01:57 Kul Mahay's Journey from Policing to Leadership

08:38 Defining Human-Centered Leadership

12:28 Balancing Human-Centered Leadership with Business Goals

17:02 The Importance of Leadership Courage

23:04 Involving Employees in Decision-Making

27:09 The Shift from Traditional to Modern Leadership

27:44 Human-Centered Leadership and DEI

34:52 The Importance of Individuality in Leadership

39:45 Challenges of Human-Centered Leadership

48:05 Building Trust in Organizations


Summary

In this episode of Curiosity Unleashed, Debra and Ken engage with Kul Mahay to explore the concept of human-centered leadership. Kul shares his journey from a police officer to a leadership consultant, emphasizing the importance of emotional intelligence and building trust within organizations. The conversation delves into the definition of human-centered leadership, the balance between human aspects and business goals, and the necessity of involving employees in decision-making processes. Kul highlights the courage required from leaders to embrace vulnerability and foster a culture of innovation and collaboration. In this conversation, Kul Mahay discusses the principles of human-centered leadership, emphasizing its importance in today's organizational culture. He critiques the traditional views on DEI, arguing that true inclusion goes beyond mere representation and requires a focus on individuality and trust. The discussion highlights the challenges leaders face in adopting a human-centered approach and the necessity of building trust within teams to foster a positive work environment.


Keywords

human-centered leadership, emotional intelligence, leadership courage, organizational culture, employee engagement, trust in leadership, innovation, decision-making, leadership styles, transformation, human-centered leadership, DEI, soft skills, individuality, trust, leadership challenges, employee engagement, organizational culture, diversity, equity

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5 months ago
51 minutes 59 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E4 Corey-osity Unleashed with Ruth Wooderson

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Ruth Wooderson's Journey

02:53 Breaking Barriers for Women in Leadership

06:10 The Loneliness of Leadership

08:45 Authenticity in Leadership

11:49 Building Trust and Team Dynamics

15:09 Navigating Post-COVID Work Environments

23:12 The Purpose of Office Return

27:01 Trust and Flexibility in the Workplace

29:37 Personal Growth and Authenticity

35:20 The Human Side of Leadership

38:57 AI: A Tool, Not a Solution

42:12 Love Letters: A Unique Leadership Approach


Summary

In this conversation, Ruth Wooderson shares her remarkable journey from a part-time employee to the Chief Information Officer at Santander. She discusses the importance of authenticity in leadership, the challenges women face in leadership roles, and the loneliness that often accompanies leadership positions. Ruth emphasizes the need for trust and open communication within teams, and she reflects on the changes in work dynamics post-COVID, advocating for a balance between flexibility and accountability in the workplace. In this conversation, Ruth discusses the evolving nature of work, emphasizing the importance of human connection in the office and the need for trust and flexibility in workplace policies. She reflects on her personal growth journey, advocating for authenticity in leadership and the significance of embracing one's true self. The discussion also touches on the role of AI in leadership, highlighting it as a tool rather than a solution, and concludes with Ruth's unique approach to communication through 'love letters' to her team, fostering engagement and connection.


Keywords

leadership, women in tech, authenticity, career journey, trust, team dynamics, post-COVID work, barriers for women, resilience, career progression, office return, workplace flexibility, leadership, personal growth, AI in leadership, employee engagement, human connection, authenticity, trust in teams, communication

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5 months ago
47 minutes 35 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E3 Corey-osity Unleashed with Lee Wolley

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Leadership Development

02:04 Lee Woolley's Journey in Leadership

08:19 Generational Changes in Leadership

14:03 The Importance of Trust in Leadership

17:27 Integrating Soft Skills into Leadership Development

22:12 Challenging Traditional HR Practices

24:12 Transforming Performance Reviews

25:44 The Pitfalls of Leadership Development

30:07 Embedding Change in Leadership Practices

36:19 The Value of Learning and Development

41:22 Communicating the ROI of L&D

43:35 Key Takeaways for Effective Leadership Development


Summary

In this engaging conversation, Lee Woolley shares his extensive experience in leadership development, particularly within the hospitality industry. He discusses the evolution of leadership styles across generations, emphasizing the importance of emotional intelligence and trust in modern leadership. Lee also highlights the need for integrating soft skills into leadership training and challenges traditional HR practices, advocating for a more dynamic and responsive approach to employee development. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the intricacies of leadership development, performance reviews, and the importance of learning and development (L&D) in organizations. They discuss the pitfalls of traditional annual reviews, the necessity of embedding change in leadership practices, and the critical role of effective communication in demonstrating the ROI of L&D initiatives. The conversation emphasizes the need for a tailored approach to leadership training, the significance of understanding employee needs, and the value of fostering a culture that embraces learning and innovation.


Keywords

Leadership development, generational differences, trust, soft skills, HR practices, emotional intelligence, servant leadership, career pathways, hospitality industry, learning and development, leadership development, performance reviews, learning and development, corporate culture, employee engagement, training effectiveness, change management, organizational success, ROI of L&D, leadership strategies

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6 months ago
50 minutes 26 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E2 Corey-osity Unleashed, with Kelly Swingler

"I want to stop this Monday to Friday dying."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Burnout and Kelly's Journey

10:56 Understanding Burnout: Definitions and Symptoms

19:58 Recognizing Burnout in Yourself and Supporting Others

24:43 Understanding Moral Injury in the Workplace

30:49 The Importance of Psychological Safety

35:05 The Role of Leaders in Preventing Burnout

38:35 The Cost of Burnout on Organizations

42:31 Practical Steps to Combat Burnout


Summary

In this conversation, Kelly Swingler, a burn-out expert, shares her personal journey with burnout and her mission to eradicate it from the workplace. She discusses the symptoms and definitions of burnout, emphasizing its seriousness and the need for organizations to take responsibility. Kelly also highlights the importance of recognizing burnout in oneself and others, and the role of leaders in supporting their teams to prevent it. In this conversation, Kelly Swingler discusses the critical issues surrounding burnout in the workplace, emphasizing the importance of psychological safety, the role of leaders, and the need for individuals to establish boundaries. She highlights the concept of moral injury and its impact on employee well-being, while also addressing the significant costs of burnout on organizations. Practical steps for combating burnout are provided, underscoring the necessity of understanding one's sense of self and the importance of prevention over cure.


Keywords

Burnout, workplace wellness, mental health, HR, leadership, stress management, well-being, coaching, organizational change, employee support, burnout, workplace wellness, psychological safety, leadership, moral injury, employee well-being, organizational culture, high performers, stress management, mental health.

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6 months ago
46 minutes 54 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
S1E1 - Corey-osity Unleashed, with Jo Wright

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Joe Wright and her Mission

04:20 The Journey to Writing 'No More Sh*t Managers'

12:11 Challenging the Status Quo in Coaching and Leadership

18:22 The Dichotomy of Coaching Culture

20:46 Investing in People and Culture

23:42 Building Trust Through Coaching

26:46 The Seven Steps to a Coaching Culture

32:27 Implementing the Seven Steps

36:51 Self-Awareness as a Foundation for Coaching


Summary

In this engaging conversation, Jo Wright, co-founder of Coaching Culture and author of No More Sh*t Managers, shares her insights on the importance of coaching in leadership. She discusses the journey of writing her book, the challenges of changing perceptions about coaching, and the need for better conversations within organisations. Jo emphasises that coaching is not just for a select few but should be integrated into everyday leadership practices to foster trust and build high-performing teams.

She also explores the importance of establishing a coaching culture within organisations, highlighting the need for investment in people and the tangible benefits of fostering a supportive environment. The discussion covers the dichotomy between individual and corporate behaviours, the significance of building trust, and the seven steps to creating a coaching culture. Jo underscores the necessity of self-awareness as a foundational skill for effective coaching and leadership.


Keywords

coaching culture, leadership, Joe Wright, No More Sh*t Managers, transformational conversations, high performing teams, trust, communication, coaching conversations, bad bosses, coaching culture, employee engagement, organizational change, leadership development, self-awareness, trust building, coaching skills, cultural strategy, performance management, feedback

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7 months ago
40 minutes 13 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
Corey-osity Intro Sneak Peek

Corey-osity Unleashed is officially in motion! We’ve just uploaded our podcast intro, giving you a sneak peek at what’s to come.

Get ready for bold conversations, fresh perspectives, and game-changing insights from industry leaders, innovators, and disruptors who challenge the status quo. From leadership to culture shifts (and maybe even a few wild stories along the way), we’re here to spark curiosity and shake things up.

Stay tuned—our first full episode drops Friday at 9:00 AM with the incredible Jo Wright! You won’t want to miss it.

🔔 Subscribe now and be the first to listen!

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7 months ago
52 seconds

Corey-osity Unleashed
Corey-osity Unleashed isn’t your typical leadership podcast - no corporate fluff, no HR jargon. Just raw, real, and unfiltered conversations about how we can (and should) treat our people in today’s messy, complex workplaces. With our guests, we get curious by challenging the norm and questioning the status quo, exploring and unleashing bold new ways to think and act about people and work. Expect tough truths, honest insights, a few laughs, and maybe even a well-placed swear word or two—because let’s be real, our people deserve better, and our businesses can’t afford to keep getting it wrong