This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Daniel Rowland, a rare combination of audio engineer, producer, tech executive, and educator. The music he’s worked on has amassed over 15 billion streams, earning Emmy and Oscar wins, Grammy nominations, and multiple platinum certifications. His credits span an eclectic range of artists and projects, including Nina Simone, Nine Inch Nails, Thundercat, Star Wars, Pixar, and John Wick. Beyond the studio, Daniel serves as VP of Strategy and Partnerships at LANDR Audio and a longtime professor at MTSU, where he champions ethical, AI-driven tools that empower creators.

In this episode, Ari and Daniel explore the ever-evolving intersection of music, technology, and creativity. They dive deep into the art and science of mastering for different formats, the rise of AI in music production, and how to maintain authenticity in an increasingly automated world. Daniel also shares his personal journey from musician to educator and innovator, offering invaluable insights for artists navigating the future of sound and creation.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rowlanddaniel

https://www.landr.com/

00:00 – Mixing vs. Mastering & the Role of AI in Quality Control

02:30 – Introducing Daniel Rowland & His Career Overview

06:45 – Daniel’s Journey from Musician to Engineer & Educator

09:45 – Dolby Atmos & Spatial Audio: Fad or Future?

19:00 – What Mastering Really Is (and Isn’t)

26:00 – The “Curmudgeon” Era of Mastering Engineers

29:00 – Loudness, LUFS, and the Streaming Revolution

36:45 – The Vinyl Comeback: Problems and Pitfalls

47:45 – Automated Mastering & LANDR’s Evolution

54:00 – The Future of AI and Creativity in Music

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Ralph Torrefranca, Executive Director of A&R at Angry Mob Music. With nearly two decades of experience, Ralph has championed emerging songwriters, artists, and producers, working with talents like Jake Scott, Bailey Bryan, and Joe Pepe. He is also the founder of Angry Mob’s New Normal Writing Camp, a diversity-driven initiative, and a respected voice on equity in the music industry. Beyond his A&R work, Ralph fronts the post-punk band Cuffed Up and is an award-winning filmmaker.

In this episode, Ralph offers a candid look at the realities of A&R and independent publishing. He and Ari discuss signing and developing new talent, navigating the politics of song splits, and the growing importance of diversity in writers’ rooms. Ralph also sheds light on the challenges songwriters face in today’s industry and the ongoing fight for fair representation, making this conversation invaluable for anyone seeking an inside perspective on the business of songwriting and publishing.

https://www.instagram.com/rhymeswithralph

https://www.instagram.com/angrymobmusic

00:00:00 Introduction to A&R and Publishing

00:03:00 The Role of A&R in Independent Publishing

00:09:00 Challenges in Signing New Talent

00:15:00 The Politics of Song Splits

00:21:00 Diversity in Writers' Rooms

00:27:00 Advocating for Songwriters' Rights

00:33:00 The Evolving Music Industry Landscape

00:39:00 Songwriting Camps and Collaboration

00:45:00 Defining Success in the Music Business

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Nicole Zuraitis, a GRAMMY-winning, New York–based jazz singer, songwriter, pianist, and arranger. Her 2023 album How Love Begins—co-produced with Christian McBride—won Best Jazz Vocal Album at the 66th GRAMMY Awards (2024). She’s performed widely from Birdland and Dizzy’s Club to symphony halls, and first earned GRAMMY attention in 2019 for her arrangement of Dolly Parton’s “Jolene” with the Dan Pugach Nonet. Recent projects include the concert release Live at Vic’s and international touring, with additional 2025 GRAMMY nominations connected to her work with husband, Dan Pugach. 

In this episode, Nicole traces her path from early days hustling in New York’s scene to recording a live album, collaborating with Christian McBride, touring in China with Jazz at Lincoln Center partners, and navigating the realities of indie artistry. She digs into the power of networking, the pandemic’s impact on jazz rooms, why physical formats still matter, and how grants and private donors help fund albums—before previewing what’s next on her creative slate.

https://www.nicolezmusic.com/

4:53 - Introduction and Nicole's new live album

9:23 - The decision to record live at VIXX

15:53 - Collaborating with Christian McBride

22:38 - Touring in China and working with Jazz at Lincoln Center

29:08 - The Grammy experience and independent artist challenges

36:33 - The role of networking in New York's music scene

44:13 - The impact of the pandemic on jazz clubs

51:43 - The importance of physical music products in the digital age

59:23 - Funding albums through grants and private donors

1:05:53 - Nicole's upcoming projects and future plans

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Sol Rising, a producer and DJ whose eclectic blend of electronic, downtempo, and lo-fi has inspired millions. Born in Vancouver and raised in Iowa, he went from a childhood rooted in meditation to becoming one of America’s top scratch DJs before evolving into a prolific producer. With over 20 albums, 225M+ streams, and international tours across the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, and Australia, Sol Rising shares his journey of artistry and growth.

Sol shares his journey from a turntablist to a successful artist with millions of streams, discussing the challenges and triumphs of navigating the music world independently. They delve into the impact of streaming platforms, the role of AI in music, and the importance of staying true to one's artistic vision. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about creativity, perseverance, and the evolving landscape of the music business.

05:40 – Introduction and Niche

11:10 – Early Journey

17:40 – Shift to Yoga Music

24:25 – Streaming Platforms

30:55 – AI in Music

37:40 – Creativity and Motivation

45:40 – Future Plans

53:10 – Reflections and Advice

https://www.instagram.com/solrising

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Top Music Attorney, Miss Krystle. Miss Krystle is an entertainment attorney, independent artist, musician, and CEO of Delgado Entertainment Law. She hosts the Top Music Attorney podcast and popular YouTube channel, and has sold tens of millions of dollars in music catalogs. As leader of the class action lawsuit against A.I. generative companies Suno and Udio on behalf of independent artist, producers, & songwriters; she continues to champion creators’ rights while teaching artists how to think like major labels and build six-figure careers on their own terms.

In this insightful episode, Ari and Krystle, delve into the complexities of the music industry, focusing on the challenges and opportunities presented by AI in music creation. They discuss the ongoing legal battles against AI music platforms, the importance of copyright registration, and the evolving landscape of music licensing. Tune in to learn how independent artists can navigate these changes and protect their creative rights.

https://www.instagram.com/misskrystlelive

00:00 - Introduction and AI's Impact on Music

03:00 - Legal Challenges and Copyright Issues

06:00 - Class Action Lawsuits Against AI Platforms

09:00 - Independent Artists and AI

12:00 - The Role of Copyright Registration

15:00 - Spotify's Approach to AI Music

18:00 - Fair Use in AI Music

21:00 - Future of the Music Industry

24:00 - Strategies for Artists to Protect Their Work

27:00 - Closing Thoughts and Takeaways

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business, Ari is joined by the founder of Purple Bite PR, Mikel Corrente. In the last few years Corrente adapted a “Zero-Risk” guaranteed or money back system that is very uncommon in the PR industry but it’s more transparent and fairer than the traditional PR system. Some examples of artists and companies that Corrente has worked with are: Sony Music, Kat Graham, Red Light Management, Mix Master Mike, Elohim, Jesse Jo Stark, Lauren Ruth Ward, BIIANCO, and many more.

05:52 Welcome / background

10:20 PR model ten years ago, shifting from publications to playlists

15:55 What PR is and what a publicist does

25:21 Evolution of press rates and artist feedback

31:24 Relationship with fashion and music publication Lady Gun

41:58 Pay-to-play PR model

47:03 What is the point of music press right now?

53:21 Purple Bite’s business model

01:05:03 How Purple Bite guarantees placements

01:09:50 What it means to make it in the New Music Business

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Stephen Parker, Executive Director of the National Independent Venue Association (NIVA), which represents over 1,500 venues nationwide. Together, they discuss the Federal Trade Commission’s lawsuit against Live Nation and Ticketmaster, which alleges deceptive pricing practices that have enabled scalpers to exploit both artists and fans for billions of dollars.

Ari and Stephen break down the logistics of the case, its potential impact on the future of ticketed events, and the incriminating evidence pointing to Live Nation and Ticketmaster’s complicity. They also explore the broader issue of monopoly power in the live music industry, the push to separate the two companies, and the policy and legal strategies that could protect venues, artists, and consumers moving forward.

https://www.nivassoc.org/

https://www.nivassoc.org/fixthetix/model-legislation

5:10 Introduction and Overview of Live Nation's Situation

10:10 FTC Lawsuit Against Live Nation and Ticketmaster

15:10 History of Live Nation and Ticketmaster Merger

20:10 Role of NIVA and Its Advocacy Efforts

25:10 Impact of Ticket Scalping and Resale Practices

30:10 Discussion on Ticketing Reform and Legislative Efforts

35:10 Challenges Faced by Independent Venues

40:10 Artists' Perspectives on Ticketing Issues

45:10 Future of Ticketing and Live Events

50:10 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Seamus Menihane, CEO and Co-Founder of the merch company, Downright Merch (now known as Armada). This merch company has paid out over $30 million to clients and they currently manage over 250 merch stores for artists including Thrice, Tom Morello and Death Row Records, as well as clients such as Grillo’s Pickles, Every Day Astronaut and Matty Matheson. 

In this episode, Ari and Seamus dig into all things merch. They discuss online versus touring merch sales, fanclubs, pre-sale campaigns, and large-scale transparency issues that come up between venues and promoters. Seamus and Ari also discuss which merch platforms work best for musicians, how to ‘merchandize’ your audience, and the importance of superfans. You’ll also get the inside scoop on Downright’s recent merger with Overcast to create their new brand Armada, and the exciting new ways they plan to operate. 

https://www.poweredbyarmada.com/about

04:14 – Intro

05:29 – Indie Merch Merger

09:44 – Impact of Merger

15:59 – Brand Management

19:14 – Case Examples

24:44 – Online vs. In-Person

29:14 – Online Strategies

35:59 – Tech in Merch

39:14 – Future of D2C

44:14 – Closing

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with sisters Jahan and Yasmine Yousaf of the groundbreaking electronic duo, Krewella. Krewella has earned billions of streams, a devoted global fanbase, and a place among the first women in EDM to reach major milestones. Featured on Forbes’ 30 Under 30 and performing at Coachella, Lollapalooza, EDC, Tomorrowland, and beyond, Krewella has left an undeniable mark on the scene. After time with Columbia Records and a brief hiatus, they’ve returned with a new single, “Crying on the Dancefloor.”

Jahan and Yasmine dive deep into the business of music—covering collaborations, royalty splits, AI tools, and the ever-changing industry landscape. They reflect on how much has shifted over the past nine years, offering candid insights on balancing algorithm demands with authentic artistry. Most importantly, they share their perspective on staying true to yourself as an artist—creatively, spiritually, and personally—in an era of constant external pressure.

https://www.instagram.com/krewella/

04:37 – Intro

06:31 – Slower, intentional process

11:18 – Indie team setup

13:49 – Indie vs. major

19:35 – Grow vs. nurture fans, algorithms

31:09 – song death/rebirth, reviving old songs 

35:11 – Collabs & producer roles; splits

45:05 – Remixes/AI/Splice; self-sampling

1:01:05 – Live show: safe, sober, caring

1:08:13 – Making it

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Henry Donahue, Executive Director of Save the Music Foundation which focuses to provide equitable access to music education for millions of students nationwide. They do so by donating instruments and music technology to schools, providing resources for music educators and advocating for them on a national level.  

In this episode, Ari and Henry explore the future of music education in 2025 and how to support Save the Music Foundation. Henry shares the history of the J. Dilla Music Technology Grant—launched with Pharrell’s support—and its impact in classrooms nationwide. They discuss the shift from band and theory toward production and technology, the inequities faced by schools of different socio-economic backgrounds, and how we can all help ensure students have access to music today and in the future

https://www.savethemusic.org/

3:19 Introduction

4:19 Role of Music Education in the Industry

8:19 Ari & Henry’s Personal Journeys

13:19 Save the Music Foundation Mission & impact

23:19 Issues in schools

33:19 Cultural Influence: Local culture’s role

43:19 Modern Trends in Tech & Production

53:19 Future: Where music education is headed

58:19 Wrap-up & Call to Action

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Dr. Chayim Newman and Zack Borer, co-founders of Amber Health, an organization dedicated to improving mental health in the music industry. Zack and Dr. Chayim discuss their experience supporting tours for artists like Billie Eilish, Green Day, Olivia Rodrigo, Beyoncé, and more. Their work is reshaping the way the music industry supports the well-being of artists, crew members, and even label teams.

In this candid conversation, Dr. Chayim, Zack, and Ari explore the mental health challenges that come with life on the road, the pressures of performance, and the lack of traditional support systems in music. They also share how Amber Health is working to change that—embedding mental health professionals directly into tours and collaborating with labels to build long-term wellness infrastructure. Dr. Chayim and Zack discuss the specific services offered by Amber Health, their impactful work on Olivia Rodrigo's tour, and the broader implications of mental health support in the industry. This conversation underscores the need for sustainable practices and proactive mental health care to ensure the well-being of everyone in the music business.

www.amber.health

3:34 Introduction and Welcome

4:04 Importance of Mental Health in the Music Industry

8:34 Dr. Chayim Newman's Background and Journey

13:34 Zack Borer's Experience and Transition to Therapy

18:34 Founding and Mission of Amber Health

23:34 Challenges and Mental Health Issues in the Music Industry

28:34 Amber Health's Approach and Services

33:34 Case Study: Olivia Rodrigo's Tour

38:34 Future of Mental Health Support in Music

43:34 Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

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This week, Ari is joined by Matthew Ramsey, lead singer of Old Dominion, to discuss songwriting, touring, and artistic integrity. Old Dominion’s skyscraping anthems and electrifying live shows have put the multi-platinum-selling band at the forefront of country music, with nine No. 1 singles, over five billion streams, and multiple platinum certifications. They are the reigning 8X ACM and 7X CMA “Group of the Year,” holding the record for most consecutive CMA Vocal Group wins. In 2025, they earned their historic 8th consecutive ACM Group of the Year award, breaking all-time records. Their highly anticipated sixth album Barbara (August 22) and the How Good Is That World Tour will take them nationwide in 2025. 

In this episode, Ari and Matthew explore Old Dominion's creative journey and the stories behind their latest album. They delve into the inspiration for the iconic album cover, the songwriting process, and the balance between being a cover band and original artists. Matthew shares insights on the importance of staying true to one's art and offers valuable advice for aspiring musicians. Tune in for a heartfelt conversation about music, creativity, and the evolving landscape of the music industry.

https://www.instagram.com/mtramsey

https://www.instagram.com/olddominionmusic

3:40 - Introduction and Tour Discussion

5:55 - Who's Barbara?

9:10 - Album Concept and Humor

14:25 - Songwriting Process and "Miss You Man"

21:40 - The Journey to Nashville

29:10 - Balancing Cover Bands and Original Music

36:25 - Choosing Singles and Label Dynamics

43:40 - The Importance of Staying True to Your Art

50:55 - Advice for Young Artists

58:40 - Closing Thoughts on Success in Music

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Tersha Willis, Co-founder and CEO of terrible*, a UK-based merch company known for its artist-first approach. With a background in private equity, financial services, and fashion, Tersha brings a fresh and progressive perspective to the merch game. She’s been recognized on the AIM Altpower100 Music List and has spoken at events like BBC Introducing, SXSW, and AIM, as well as being featured in outlets including BBC, C4, Wallpaper Magazine, Vox, and MusicAlly for her innovative work in the music merch industry.

Tersha and Ari discuss the challenges artists face in turning fan support into income—especially in an era dominated by streaming and large conglomerates taking cuts from merch sales. Tersha explains how terrible*’s unique approach, including a merch operating system, helps artists create sustainable income through high-quality, data-informed campaigns. The conversation also covers the nuances of live versus online sales, the power of pre-orders, and innovative direct-to-fan strategies that can turn merch into a vital piece of an artist’s long-term success.

https://www.instagram.com/terriblegrp

https://www.instagram.com/tersha_willis/

03:40 – Introduction: Ari welcomes Tersha Willis.

05:41 – The Digital Landscape: Streaming and social media metrics.

09:11 – Terrible Merch: Tersha’s company and approach to merch.

13:41 – Merchandising Operations: How merch companies work.

18:41 – Revenue Models: Ways artists profit from merch.

23:41 – Tips and Merch Sellers: The tipping debate at merch tables.

28:41 – Online and Live Operations: Blending online and live sales.

33:41 – Pre-order Campaigns: Why pre-orders help artists.

38:41 – Creative Merchandising: Engaging fans through merch.

43:41 – Marketing Strategies: Selling artist merchandise.

48:41 – Genre Differences: How genre impacts merch sales.

53:41 – Final Thoughts: Tersha’s view of success.

58:41 – Closing Remarks: Ari wraps up the episode.

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Naethan Apollo, an independent artist known for blending immersive storytelling with genre-bending songwriting. With over 1.4 million followers on TikTok and more than 500K monthly listeners on Spotify, Naethan has built a loyal fanbase through a mix of creative world-building, DIY ethos, and direct fan engagement. His latest project, Tales From Cazilor: Wyldflowers, an ambitious fusion of concept album, musical, and animated series that showcases his unique narrative vision.

In this conversation, Naethan opens up about the intersection of storytelling and songwriting in his work, and how his creative influences shaped his latest release. He also offers a surprisingly hopeful take on AI in music and reflects on how social media played a major role in his rise. The conversation digs into how he built a dedicated community around his work, the importance of setting boundaries for mental health, and how he’s redefining success on his own terms. Looking ahead, Naethan shares what’s next for his career and what motivates him to keep creating.

https://www.instagram.com/naethan_apollo/

00:00 - Introduction and Naethan's arrival

02:15 - Discussing "Tales from Casalor: Wildflowers"

10:30 - The inspiration behind combining music and storytelling

18:45 - Naethan's creative process and influences

25:00 - Navigating social media and building a fanbase

35:20 - The role of community and fan engagement

45:00 - Challenges of mental health and setting boundaries

55:30 - Future plans and aspirations for Naethan's music and storytelling

01:05:00 - Closing thoughts and Naethan's definition of success in the music industry

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Dave and JJ Heller to discuss building a completely independent music business for a niche audience of moms. JJ Heller is a Nashville-based Christian folk-pop singer-songwriter known for her gentle voice, heartfelt lyrics, and monthly single releases that have earned her over a billion streams. Rising to prominence with the 2008 hit “Your Hands,” Heller has since built a devoted fanbase through her lullaby-themed I Dream of You album series and relatable songs about faith, family, and mental health. Alongside her husband and creative partner Dave Heller, she continues to blend sincerity with soothing melodies, making her a comforting presence for listeners of all ages.

In this episode, Ari, JJ, and Dave dive into the Hellers’ journey from college bandmates to full-time independent artists. They explore the ups and downs of DIY success, the shift from physical albums to streaming, and how their lullaby project became a thriving cornerstone of their business. The conversation also touches on viral growth through social media, the role of AI in music, and what it truly means to “make it” in today’s ever-evolving music industry.

04:12 Ari introduces Dave and JJ Heller and sets up their story.

06:27 How they got started as a college band and grew into full-time musicians.

14:42 Their DIY strategy, self-releasing music, and staying independent.

24:57 Shifting from physical sales to finding success in streaming.

34:12 How their lullaby albums took off and became a cornerstone of their business.

44:32 Navigating viral moments and the unpredictability of social media.

54:22 Their thoughts on AI’s impact on music and the value of human connection.

01:04:12 Reflecting on what it really means to “make it” in today’s music industry.

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Rick Farman. Farman is an experienced entrepreneur, co-founder, and executive at Superfly, the event production company behind Bonnaroo and San Francisco’s Outside Lands Music & Arts Festival. With roots dating back to Superfly’s founding in 1996, Farman has overseen event operations, business development, and strategic partnerships that have shaped some of the country’s most iconic festivals . As a key architect of Outside Lands since its launch in 2008, he helped build the festival’s signature blend of music, sustainability, and Bay Area culture, emphasizing local food, art, and ecological responsibility. A holder of a BA in anthropology from Tulane University, Farman splits his time between overseeing Superfly’s expanding portfolio and investing in emerging companies across wellness, tech, and entertainment.

Ari and Rick delve into the intricacies of festival creation, exploring everything from the art of booking talent to designing immersive, multidimensional experiences that go far beyond the music. Rick shares valuable insights into the business side of running large-scale events, including sponsorship, logistics, and long-term brand building. He also emphasizes the importance of fostering community, highlighting how festivals can serve as cultural touchstones. Throughout the conversation, Rick reflects on how the festival landscape has evolved over the years, shaped by shifts in technology, audience expectations, and the growing demand for authenticity and purpose-driven programming.

00:00 Introduction – Ari introduces Rick Farman and his festival background.

02:15 Origins of Outside Lands – Rick shares how the festival began and its San Francisco roots.

10:30 Booking Artists – How lineups are built and talent is curated.

20:45 Festival Business – The economics of festivals and artist compensation.

30:00 Immersive Experiences – Rick on designing interactive festival environments.

40:15 Bonnaroo’s Evolution – The rise of Bonnaroo and its industry impact

50:00 Music & Community – Why building community is essential in music today.

55:30 Conclusion – Final thoughts on success in the modern music business.

https://sfoutsidelands.com/

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Jess Furman—a creative executive, Emmy-nominated composer, and music industry leader whose work spans TV, film, Web3, and beyond. Named one of Billboard’s Top 40 Industry-Shaping Executives, Jess blends creative vision with business savvy. She founded Sound Revolver (now part of Big Noise Music Group), where she led award-winning music campaigns and earned Tellys, Clios, and RIAA Gold certifications. Her credits include Moonlight, Westworld, My Little Pony: Pony Life, Littlest Pet Shop, and campaigns for brands like Ralph Lauren. As a singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist, Jess’s music has been featured on Sesame Street, MTV, Drop Dead Diva, Sundance, and SXSW.

In this episode, we follow Jess’s journey from New York singer-songwriter to a leading force in the world of sync licensing in Los Angeles. She shares what it takes to write custom music for film, TV, and branded content—and breaks down the creative and business challenges that come with it. In the second half, things get lively as she and Ari debate the future of AI in music. Jess previews her next project: an AI-generated artist built to test a blockchain-driven brand model. The music is created by AI, refined by humans, and designed to support real artists through tech. Jess sees promise in it. Ari isn’t so sure—and questions the ethics and long-term effects of AI-generated content on platforms already flooded with music.

https://www.instagram.com/jessfurmanmuse

05:45 Introduction and History

11:16 Journey to Sync Licensing

21:31 Founding Sound Revolver

31:06 Custom Music for TV and Film

45:56 AI in Music Creation

1:01:16 Debating The Future of the Music Industry

1:15:46 Final Thoughts and Making It in Music

Edited and mixed by Peter Schrupp

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Matt Graham, founding manager partner of Range Media Partners and head of Range Music. Range Music represents artists like Jack Harlow, Shaboozey, PARTYNEXTDOOR, Pentatonix, Rita Ora, Saweetie, Noah Cyrus, Midland, and Dylan Gossett—as well as emerging talent. Originally launched as a management company, Range has grown into a multi-division operation spanning music, film, TV, publishing, composing, and sports. Matt was named to Billboard’s 40 Under 40 list and recently recognized as one of Billboard's Country Power Players.

In this conversation, Ari and Matt take a big-picture look at how Range is structured, how the music team works together internally, and how artist management continues to evolve. They touch on deal structures—both traditional and emerging—and discuss how representation models are shifting across the industry. Matt also shares insights into his work in country music and how he’s thinking about developing both established names and new talent. If you're interested in the business of management, this conversation offers a thoughtful look behind the scenes.

https://www.instagram.com/itsmattgraham/

https://rangemusic.com/

00:00 - Introduction to Matt Graham and Range

03:05 - Building Range Media Partners’ collaborative management model  

08:14 - Partnering with Big Loud and Mercury on Dylan Gossett  

13:20 - The role of management in structuring label partnerships  

17:45 - Global strategy for country and genre-fluid artists  

21:55 - How Range Media supports career development beyond music  

26:10 - Composer division and expansion into scoring and sync  

31:05 - Why AI music is disrupting the music industry  

35:45 - Labeling and regulation for AI-generated content  

40:28 - How AI could reduce artist costs for visuals and production  

45:50 - Blockchain’s missed opportunity in music  

48:15 - What it means to "make it" in today’s music business  

51:00 - Final thoughts and Matt’s outlook on the industry 

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with indie artist Michael Seyer, who’s spent the last decade shaping his artistic identity through immersive, nostalgic albums like Ugly Boy and Bad Bonez. His latest release, Boylife, blends dream pop and indie-folk into a heartfelt coming-of-age soundtrack, written between LA and tour stops across Asia and North America. Self-released through his new label, Seyerland Records, Boylife marks a new chapter—one where Seyer deepens his artistry while uplifting fellow independent musicians.

Ari and Michael dive into the making of Boylife, collaborating with a young producer, shooting music videos guerrilla-style in Japan, and staying fully independent—from DIY vinyl runs to self-funded tours. Seyer also shares how he’s building immersive worlds around his music, launching his label, and navigating the tricky balance between art and promotion.

https://www.instagram.com/michaelseyer/

Chapters

05:20 – Getting Started with Internet Music & Early DIY Releases  

08:15 – Collaborating with Producer Christian Taylor on Boylife  

12:10 – How Making Boylife Reignited His Passion for Music  

14:45 – Staying Fully Independent in a Label-Dominated Industry  

16:50 – Seyer’s Licensing Deal with Virgin Records Explained  

22:05 – Pressing Vinyl & Distributing Music Through DistroKid  

25:50 – Behind the Scenes of Filming “Fiend” on the Streets of Japan  

35:40 – Launching Seyerland Records to Support Local Artists  

42:30 – What Artist Development Means & How He Approaches It  

52:30 – Navigating Social Media, Burnout, and Self-Promotion  

57:10 – Defining Success & What It Means to “Make It” in Music

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Justin Gammella, a hit songwriter, producer, top liner, and multi-instrumentalist based in Los Angeles. With over a billion streams to his name and more than 100 released cuts, Justin’s catalog includes Bella Poarch’s viral hit “Build a Bitch” and collaborations with artists like Benson Boone, Lennon Stella, Steve Aoki, and FINNEAS. A true “working class” pop songwriter, Justin brings a decade of professional songwriting experience to the table and is also the host of the Producer Points podcast.

In this episode, Ari and Justin dive into the realities of professional songwriting in today’s music industry. They explore how songwriters get paid, how publishing works, and the controversy around non-writing artists receiving songwriting credit. They also touch on newer developments like songwriters earning master points and how the industry continues to evolve in the streaming era. This episode also takes on the growing role of AI in music—how Justin uses it in his workflow, the ethical questions it raises, and the need for safeguards across the industry.

https://instagram.com/justin_gammella

http://instagram.com/producer_points 

Chapters

00:00 The Role of Songwriters in the Music Industry

05:12 Journey to Becoming a Professional Songwriter

10:04 Understanding Publishing Deals

17:30 Monetization in the Streaming Era

23:15 The Songwriting Process and Collaboration

31:54 Vocal Production: The Heart of Music Creation

39:08 The Art of Pitch Songs: Collaboration and Emotion

42:17 Navigating the Modern Music Landscape: Major Labels vs. Indie Artists

45:57 Songwriting Credits: The Controversy of Co-Writing

50:11 The Evolving Role of Songwriters in the Streaming Era

54:56 AI in Music: Opportunities and Ethical Considerations

01:01:36 Defining Success in the New Music Business

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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