Meat nerds, assemble. Evan and Tyler sit down with Dr. Phil Bass—associate professor of Meat Science at the University of Idaho, meat cutter since childhood, and all-around legend—to geek out on what actually makes beef great. Fresh off judging the American Wagyu Association’s “Best Steak in America” competition together, we dive into BMS scoring (yes, those 14s and 15s), why the USDA grade tops out too early for Wagyu, and what “quality” really means across tenderness, flavor, and juiciness.

We get into grass-finished vs. grain-finished (and why consistency matters), the truth about antibiotics and labels, how to shop smarter at the butcher counter, and why the future likely belongs to Wagyu crossbreeding. Plus: the magic of dry-aging, the umami bomb that is koji, myth-busting on Wagyu fat (hello oleic acid), and quick detours into Piedmontese, flat iron “meat jelly,” and why ribeye off the 5th rib slaps.

In this episode:

• Judging ultra-marbled Wagyu & reading the Japanese BMS 1–12

• USDA vs. AUS vs. JPN grading—should there be one global standard?

• Grass vs. grain: flavor, texture, and reliability

• Dry-aging, koji rubs, and regional mold “terroir”

• Labels, antibiotics, and how to actually talk to your butcher

• The next decade of Wagyu (hello, F1 crosses)

Dr. Bass’s pod: meatspad.com • Book: It’s Not a Cow (available on Amazon)
Hit play, get smarter, then go eat something worthy.

Rancher and jack-of-many-trades Tyler McCann (Wyoming Cowboy Cuts) joins The Meat Dudes for a no-BS look at how beef is really raised—and why geography, feed, and craftsmanship matter more than buzzwords.

We cover:

• Direct-to-consumer beef and why “know your rancher” simplifies every choice

• Terroir in beef (yes, it’s real)—from high-desert barley and beet pulp to carrot-finished cattle

• What feedlots get right/wrong, and the truth about antibiotics on most ranches

• Why labels (organic, grass-fed, “Wagyu”) don’t tell the whole story

• Underrated cuts to try next: Zabuton, Denver, Flat Iron, Thor’s Hammer

• How to shop smarter: pick flavor you love, use the whole animal, ask better questions

If you care about taste, transparency, and supporting American producers, this one’s for you.

Follow Tyler: WyomingCowboyCuts.com • IG/FB: @WyomingCowboyCuts
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In this episode of The Meat Dudes, we sit down with Reid Martin of Lone Mountain Wagyu, fresh off his win at the Best Wagyu Steak in America Challenge during the American Wagyu Association Conference. We dive into what makes Lone Mountain’s approach to Fullblood American Wagyu unique — from genetics and feed programs to their long-standing commitment to transparency and quality.

But this conversation is bigger than one ranch. We talk about where Wagyu fits in the broader American beef industry — and how it’s changing the way we think about quality, marbling, and eating experiences. Wagyu isn’t here to replace Angus or compete with commodity beef — it’s here to elevate the conversation about flavor, sustainability, and value.

We also get into the different types of Wagyu — from F1 Cross to Purebred, from Japanese Black to Japanese Red, and everything in between. Each type brings something unique to the table, and understanding that diversity is key to appreciating what makes Wagyu special.

Reid shares insights from his time in Japan, how Wagyu compares to wine in terms of terroir and craftsmanship, and why there’s a place for every type of beef on the plate — from grass-fed to A5.

🔥 If you love beef, cooking, and real conversations about where great meat comes from — this episode’s for you.

🎧 Tune in to The Meat Dudes as we explore the evolution of American Wagyu and its growing role in the modern beef world.

In this episode of The Meat Dudes Podcast, we sit down with Desi Cecali, founder of the Triple Crown Steak Challenge — one of the most research-driven steak competitions in the world. Desi has poured years of scientific study into the Wagyu breed, analyzing genetics, fat composition, and eating quality to better understand what makes a truly great steak.

We dive into the data behind Wagyu, how the Triple Crown Steak Challenge is changing the way we evaluate beef, and why Desi believes science and transparency are key to the future of the industry. If you’re curious about what sets Wagyu apart — beyond marbling — this conversation is packed with insight.

👉 Learn more about Desi Cicale and the Triple Crown Steak Challenge at https://www.triplecrownsteakchallenge.com

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Did you know there are different types of Wagyu? In this Meat Dudes Podcast episode, we sit down with Steve Cottrell of Legendary Akaushi to talk about the rise of Akaushi Wagyu—also known as the Japanese Red.

Most Wagyu in the U.S. comes from the Japanese Black breed, but Akaushi is gaining momentum for its unique genetics, flavor, and health benefits. Steve breaks down why he’s such a passionate fan of Akaushi, how it differs from Japanese Black, and why both breeds have a place on the table.

This episode will leave you hungry to taste the difference and more excited than ever about the diversity of Wagyu beef.

👉 Tune in, subscribe, and join us in celebrating all things Wagyu—because whether it’s Red or Black, we love them both.

Learn more about Legendary Akaushi: https://www.akaushigenetics.com

Join The Meat Dudes as we head into Little Beast, the brand-new English-style pub from the team behind Beast & Cleaver, for a deep-dive conversation with owner and butcher extraordinaire Kevin Smith (aka The English Butcher).

We talk:

• How his wildly successful butcher boxes and whole-animal butchery setup inspired this pub-meets-production kitchen concept

• The challenges and thrill of turning a butcher shop into a traditional English pub featuring meat pies, Scotch eggs, Yorkshire puddings, and sticky toffee pudding

• What it really takes to open a restaurant while also running a high-output butchery facility

• Inside story on their fan-favorite offerings: 120-day dry-aged steaks, English meat pies, Sunday roasts, and more

• Chef Tyler’s hot takes on Wagyu, why it’s “not just fatty beef,” and how that perspective fits into Kevin’s whole-animal philosophy

Plus, we sit down with Steve Cottrell of Legendary Akaushi to talk about what makes Akaushi cattle unique, why genetics matter in the Wagyu conversation, and how Legendary is shaping the future of American Wagyu.

Whether you're curious about whole-animal cooking, restaurant launches, or the finer points of Wagyu and Akaushi—this episode delivers the full, delicious breakdown.

The Little Beast: https://beastandcleaver.com/the-little-beast

Beast & Cleaver: https://beastandcleaver.com

Legendary Akaushi: https://www.akaushigenetics.com

NFL Hall of Famer and legendary Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas is trading in playbooks for pasture as he dives headfirst into the Wagyu world with his new venture, HOF Beef at Six Springs Farms. Joe joins The Meat Dudes to talk about why Wagyu’s unmatched flavor, marbling, and health benefits caught his attention — and why consistency, discipline, and doing things the right way matter just as much in ranching as they do in football. Later in the episode, we’re joined by Dr. Sheila Patinkin of Vermont Wagyu, whose full-blood Wagyu cattle will soon call Joe’s farm home. It’s beef, football, and a whole lot of respect for the craft.

Learn more about Joe Thomas HOF Beef at: sixspringsfarms.com

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We kick things off by breaking down the French Brigade system—how old-school fine dining kitchens ran like armies, and why that still matters (or doesn’t). Then we drop a Fine Dining Hot Take that might ruffle some white tablecloths.

We also talk Beef Toro, recap "What Did We Eat This Week?", and sit down with NFL Hall of Famer Joe Thomas to talk Wagyu, Six Springs Farms, and building HOF Beef.

Finally, we draft our Fantasy Celebrity Chef Lineup—because every kitchen needs a strong starting five.

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Wagyu beef in a smoker? 🤔 Some say it’s a sin. We say… it depends.

In this episode, the Meat Dudes fire up a spicy debate: Is it ever okay to smoke Wagyu beef?
We break down the types of Wagyu — A5, F1 crosses, purebred, full-blood — and which cuts actually work in a smoker. Chef Tyler shares his real-world experience smoking Wagyu briskets, short ribs, zabuton, and more (yes, he’s tried it all).

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This one’s for BBQ lovers, Wagyu nerds, and anyone who’s ever asked, “Should I smoke this?”

🎧 Tune in. Get hungry. And rethink what belongs in your smoker next weekend.

In this Meat the People episode, we go inside the finishing pen—literally—with Adam Wackel of Plum Creek Wagyu. Surrounded by 80 full-blood Wagyu cattle, each tipping the scale at over 1,000 pounds, Adam walks us through what makes his herd different: calm, well-treated animals raised with intention.

We talk about the temperament of Wagyu and how low-stress handling directly impacts meat quality, marbling, and texture. Adam breaks down the difference between feeding corn versus force-feeding corn, especially in large-scale feedlots vs. small, local operations like his. Yes, he uses corn—it’s Nebraska—but it comes from the farm next door, not a commodity mill. Everything is sourced locally, with care and transparency.

We also dig into how Wagyu cattle behave differently from Angus, why scale matters, and what it takes to raise some of the best beef in the country. If you’ve ever wanted a behind-the-scenes look at ethical Wagyu farming done right, this episode delivers.

Learn more about Adam’s work and order his beef at plumcreekwagyubeef.com

In this episode of The Meat Dudes, we dig into a question that’s been bugging us: Why isn’t Wagyu beef taken seriously yet? We break down the perception problem, the misinformation, and why so many people still don’t get what makes Wagyu worth it.

We also shine a light on the Ranch Steak — an overlooked cut that’s a game-changer when it comes off a Wagyu cow — and ask the hard question: Should steakhouse servers actually know where their meat comes from? (Yes. Yes, they should.) And yes, we walk back our hot take on the Wagyu hot dog — because when it’s made right, it actually slaps.

We finish with a field interview straight from the finishing pen at Plum Creek Wagyu, where Adam Wackel talks local feed, full-blood genetics, and how keeping cattle calm leads to better beef. You can almost hear the cows breathing.

Marbling, myths, and meat-based redemption — let’s go.

In this full interview, we sit down with Andrew Shirley of River Valley Wagyu to talk about one of the biggest questions in premium beef: Can Wagyu be grass-fed and still deliver?

Andrew raises 100% grass-fed, grass-finished Full Blood Wagyu in Chehalis, Washington, and shares why he took a different path from the grain-fed norm. We cover marbling potential, nutrient density, how flavor develops on pasture, and what he’s learned raising full-blood cattle on grass alone. If you think all Wagyu has to be grain-finished, this episode might change your mind.

Find Andrew Shirley here: www.rivervalleywagyu.com

In this episode, we ask the big question: Is Wagyu just hype? Or is there more behind the marbling? (Quick answer... hell no its not, but we can see why you may think so.)

We break down:

• Why the world needs Wagyu Sommeliers

• Our honest take on Wagyu hot dogs (spoiler: hard pass)

• The underrated magic of the Bavette cut

• A hot take on Wagyu burgers (they’re not all created equal)

Then we sit down with Andrew Shirley of River Valley Wagyu, who raises 100% full-blood, grass-fed Wagyu in the Pacific Northwest. We get into how raising docile, grass-fed cattle impacts the quality, taste, and ethics of the beef on your plate.

Whether you're a meat nerd or just Wagyu-curious, this one's for you.

This week on The Meat Dudes Podcast:
We’re breaking down the new USDA “Prime+” grading buzz and what it means for WAGYU beef lovers. Then it’s on to Know Your Cuts, where we spotlight the criminally underrated hanger steak — and why your butcher might be hiding it.

We share what we ate last week, throw around some spicy hot takes (including: Is American Wagyu actually better for eating than A5?), and wrap it all up with an incredible conversation with Dr. Sheila Patinkin of Vermont Wagyu. She’s a rancher, a doctor, and a leader in the American Wagyu Association — and she’s got stories.

In this episode of The Meat Dudes Podcast, we sit down with Jerry Cassady and Ginette Gottswiller from the American Wagyu Association to break down the launch of their new Authentic Wagyu Label — a USDA-certified program designed to protect the integrity of Wagyu beef in the U.S.

We dig into:

• Why the label matters in a crowded, often confusing beef market

• How DNA verification, traceable genetics, and marbling standards are used to define truly authentic Wagyu

• What ranchers, butchers, and consumers need to know when buying or selling Wagyu beef

• And how this program could reshape the future of American Wagyu

Whether you're a beef nerd, a rancher, or just tired of being duped by "Kobe-style" claims, this episode breaks down how to trust what’s on your plate — and why the AWA is leading the charge.

On this episode of The Meat Dudes Podcast, we sit down with Quintin from Weiss Wagyu in Alberta, Canada.
We dive into what it takes to raise Wagyu cattle, the different types of crossbreeds, and how breeding choices impact flavor and texture. We also get into some of our favorite Wagyu cuts, how we like to cook them, and why certain underrated cuts deserve more love. Plus, a few stories about what our kids are asking for at the dinner table.
It’s a full-on conversation about all things Wagyu from genetics to the grill.

We sit down with the legendary crew from Grasslands BBQ out of Hood River, Oregon, during their once-a-year Seattle pop-up at Holy Mountain Brewery. These guys hauled in over 4,000 pounds of meat and sold out in just three days—and we were lucky enough to catch them between briskets. We dive into BBQ culture, the art of smoking meat, what makes great brisket, and the behind-the-scenes grind of running a pop-up BBQ business at scale. If you're into fire, smoke, and meat with soul, this one’s for you.

What makes Canadian Wagyu different from American Wagyu? In this episode, we sit down with Brant Lake Wagyu, one of Canada’s premier Wagyu producers, to talk about what it takes to raise world-class Wagyu beef north of the border. 

We dive into the unique challenges and advantages of raising Wagyu in Canada, why Wagyu is a luxury brand like Champagne, and how every part of the cow—not just the high-end cuts—can be utilized to make Wagyu more accessible at different price points.

You can find Brant Lake Wagyu: www.brantlakewagyu.ca

We got to talk Wagyu beef with Adam of Plum Creek Wagyu in Nebraska! In this episode, we explore the art of raising premium Wagyu cattle, the secrets to cooking and enjoying every cut, F1 Cross to A5 Wagyu, A new Certified Wagyu Program, the education that goes into crafting the perfect beef and where Adam falls on the Wagyu Richness Scale.

Plus, we take a deep dive into smoking a whole A5 Wagyu brisket—discussing techniques, flavor profiles, and what makes this ultimate cut so special.

Check out Plum Creek Wagyu: www.plumcreekwagyubeef.com

In this episode of The Meat Dudes Podcast, we sit down with Charles Heckroodt of Superior Wagyu to explore the art and science of raising Wagyu beef. Charles shares how his South African roots and love for farm-raised beef led him to his journey in the Wagyu industry in America.

Learn why Wagyu beef isn’t just about ribeyes and tenderloins—Charles explains his love for the underrated top round and why Americans should expand their palate beyond the Hollywood cuts. He also discusses the health benefits of Wagyu beef, how he raises over 15,000 cattle from birth to harvest, and the efficiency of breeding Black Wagyu with Jersey cows for premium beef.

From the lifecycle of Wagyu cattle to why Wagyu is a healthier, more sustainable choice, this episode offers a deep dive into what makes Wagyu truly special.