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The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
LaTonya Wilkins
61 episodes
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Honest conversations on leadership, emotional strength, and human connection in a chaotic world. Hosted by LaTonya Wilkins—award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface—this podcast explores inclusive leadership, psychological safety, and personal growth. Whether you’re a leader, coach, or simply navigating life with intention, you’ll walk away with real tools to lead and live more authentically. Learn more at changecoaches.io.
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Honest conversations on leadership, emotional strength, and human connection in a chaotic world. Hosted by LaTonya Wilkins—award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface—this podcast explores inclusive leadership, psychological safety, and personal growth. Whether you’re a leader, coach, or simply navigating life with intention, you’ll walk away with real tools to lead and live more authentically. Learn more at changecoaches.io.
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The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
Webinar Replay —Grounded Leadership: Daily Mental Health Rituals for Uncertain Times

In this special replay of a Change Coaches Community Event, we explore how to stay mentally, emotionally, and physiologically grounded while leading in uncertain times.


Blythe Landry — therapist, trauma specialist, and author of Trauma Intelligence — joins LaTonya to share real-world, accessible mental health practices that help leaders thrive without burning out.


You’ll hear discussion, guidance, and tools rooted in science, nervous-system awareness, grief work, and Below the Surface leadership. We also uplift wisdom from the community members who joined live — demonstrating the power of connection and shared learning.


This isn’t self-care theory. It’s practical, lived resilience for today’s world.


Episode Highlights

  • Why uncertainty fuels stress — and how leaders can respond with grounding, not urgency

  • The role of micro-rest, boundaries, and intentional recovery

  • Tools to reconnect with your body and calm your nervous system

  • Emotional hygiene habits and rituals to keep you steady

  • How to support others without carrying their emotional load

  • The restorative power of nature, community, and mindful movement

  • What it looks like to lead like a human — not a machine


 Key Insights


• Leaders can’t control chaos — but they can control rituals, structure, and presence


• Nervous system literacy is leadership literacy


• Rest isn’t indulgent — it’s strategic


• Community care is a resilience multiplier



About Today’s Guest: Blythe Landry


Blythe Landry, MSW, MEd, LCSW, is a nationally recognized trauma and grief therapist, author of Trauma Intelligence, and founder of Grief to Purpose, a program supporting individuals healing from loss. She brings 25 years of experience helping people transform grief and adversity into grounded strength and connection.


Learn more about Blythe at BlytheLandry.com



🔗 Links & Resources



• Learn about Coaching Below the Surface™

https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/


• Join our community events list

https://changecoaches.io/community


• Connect with LaTonya on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/


• Learn more about Change Coaches

https://changecoaches.io






If today’s conversation resonated, share it with someone who leads with heart and is navigating uncertainty.


To deepen your practice and connect live with other values-driven leaders, join our community events list — we’d love to see you in the room next time.



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1 day ago
21 minutes 2 seconds

The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
Ep: 60: Everyday Mental Health Practices for Leadership and Life (with Dr. Caroline Adelman)

In a world that increasingly feels uncertain — and at times, broken — how do we stay grounded as leaders and human beings?


In this powerful conversation, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with Dr. Caroline Adelman, clinical psychologist, coach, and founder of Chicago Psychotherapy, to explore what it truly means to lead and live well amid chaos. Together, they uncover how chronic stress, disconnection, and unpredictability shape our lives — and how we can rebuild connection through everyday mental health practices that actually work.


Dr. Adelman shares evidence-based techniques rooted in therapy and neuroscience that help leaders regulate emotions, create stability, and bring real compassion into the workplace. Whether you’re leading a team, a business, or just trying to stay grounded yourself, this conversation offers practical wisdom for navigating a complex, broken world — one human moment at a time.


  • Connection — not control — is the foundation of resilience.

  • Stress disconnects us from ourselves, others, and what matters most; awareness and intention reconnect us.

  • Leaders don’t need to have all the answers, but they do need to show care, humility, and hope.

  • Simple rituals — listening, check-ins, walk-and-talks — can transform workplace wellbeing.

  • Human-centered leadership is the antidote to fear-based systems.



Dr. Caroline Adelman, PhD, is a clinical psychologist, coach, and founder of Chicago Psychotherapy. She completed her PhD at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and fellowships at the Yale Child Study Center. She previously served on the clinical faculty at Northwestern University and has spent over fifteen years helping children, adults, and professionals navigate anxiety, trauma, and transitions.


Dr. Adelman’s work integrates evidence-based therapy with compassion, humor, and authenticity. She’s a frequent speaker and consultant on resilience, wellness, and leadership.


To learn more, visit ChicagoPsychotherapy.com/dr-caroline-adelman.


 Resources Mentioned


  • Leading Below the Surface (2nd Edition): leadingbelowthesurface.com

  • LaTonya’s article “The Relationship Between Psychological Safety and Accountability”: changecoaches.io/the-relationship-between-psychological-safety-and-accountability


🎧 Listen & Subscribe: changecoaches.io/podcast

🔗 Follow LaTonya Wilkins on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins

🔗 Follow Change Coaches: linkedin.com/company/change-coaches

🌐 Learn more about our work: changecoaches.io


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1 month ago
44 minutes 22 seconds

The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
Ep 59: Dominant Leadership Standards: Why They’re Failing Us

Authoritarian, fear-based leadership might seem loud and everywhere—but that doesn’t mean it’s working. In this solo episode, LaTonya Wilkins, award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface (second edition out Sept. 30), unpacks why dominant leadership standards—rigidity, perfectionism, and toxic meritocracy—are failing organizations today. Drawing on Chapter 2 of her book, LaTonya contrasts authoritarian and relational leadership, shares personal insights from the field, and explains why relational leadership is the future in an era of mental health challenges, AI disruption, and broken systems.


She also teases upcoming guest conversations on mental health and conscious leadership. If you’ve been told to “toughen up” or “lead with fear” to get results, this episode will give you evidence, strategies, and courage to lead differently.

Authoritarian leadership OwlCast episode referenced:

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Key Insights:

  • Dominant leadership standards (rigidity, fear, optics) are outdated and erode innovation and psychological safety.

  • Authoritarian leadership thrives on fear and appears louder than it is—but relational leadership creates sustainable performance.

  • Relational leadership is essential as workplaces face unprecedented challenges and employees bring their whole selves to work.

  • Situational leadership and coaching cultures are powerful relational tools that drive inclusion, collaboration, and trust.

  • Sticking with relational leadership—even when pressured to adopt authoritarian tactics—pays off in alignment, creativity, and resilience.

Let's Stay in Touch:

  • Subscribe/Follow: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Change Coaches YouTube Channel to catch every episode.

  • Leave a Review or Share: If this episode resonated, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and share it with a colleague or friend.

  • Explore More: Visit LeadingBelowTheSurface.com and ChangeCoaches.io for book updates, keynotes, workshops, and coaching.

  • Book Talks: Want a Leading Below the Surface book talk for your team? Email info@changecoaches.io to schedule—limited slots each month.

  • Connect with LaTonya: LinkedIn — share your thoughts or let her know how relational leadership is showing up in your world.

  • Next Episode Preview: Don’t miss next week’s conversation on Everyday Mental Health Practices for Leadership and Life—practical ways leaders can support wellness in a world that feels broken.



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1 month ago
23 minutes 48 seconds

The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
Ep 58: 10 Ways Your Organization Will Benefit from Leading Below the Surface

In today’s fast-changing world, surface-level leadership won’t cut it anymore. In this solo episode, LaTonya Wilkins (award-winning executive coach and bestselling author of Leading Below the Surface) walks you through 10 concrete ways organizations benefit when they embrace Below the Surface Leadership.

From stronger leadership alignment and inclusive decision-making to navigating bias, building real belonging, and creating a shared language for change—even in the age of AI—you’ll hear practical ways to shift culture and performance.

LaTonya also shares an update on the Second Edition of Leading Below the Surface (out this fall!) and how you can bring these practices into your teams and organizations.

You’ll learn:

  • 10 tangible benefits of Below the Surface Leadership

  • Practical ways to apply P2B (Person-to-Belonging) listening

  • Why authenticity and psychological safety are more than trends

  • How to build a shared language for change in uncertain times

Resources:

  • LeadingBelowTheSurface.com — book updates & launch info

  • Change Coaches — coaching, workshops, and keynotes

LaTonya’s LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins

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1 month ago
22 minutes 31 seconds

The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
Ep 57: Is Psychological Safety Enough? Rethinking How We Lead and Work

Psychological safety has become one of the most popular leadership buzzwords in recent years. But is it enough on its own?

Inspired by Amy Edmondson’s recent Harvard Business Review article, executive coach and author LaTonya Wilkins explores the six most common misconceptions about psychological safety — and what leaders can do to move beyond them.

LaTonya also shares exciting news about the second edition of her award-winning book Leading Below the Surface, coming this fall, and gives three practical tips for keeping psychological safety alive in your organization.



  • Why psychological safety isn’t about being “nice” or avoiding accountability

  • The difference between safety and job security

  • How safety drives performance and collaboration, not the opposite

  • Why everyone — not just senior leaders — can create safety

🌟 What You’ll Learn in This Episode

  • Why psychological safety isn’t about being “nice” or avoiding accountability

  • The difference between safety and job security

  • How safety drives performance and collaboration, not the opposite

    • Why everyone — not just senior leaders — can create safety


    • Three practical ways to make psychological safety last


  • 🔗 Resources & Links

    • Official Podcast Hub: leadingbelowthesurface.com

    • HBR Article: What People Get Wrong About Psychological Safety by Amy C. Edmondson & Michaela J. Kerrissey

    • LaTonya’s Article: The Relationship Between Psychological Safety and Accountability

    • Change Coaches on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/change-coaches

    • LaTonya Wilkins on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins

    • Coaching Below the Surface Program: changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/


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    2 months ago
    22 minutes 3 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 56: Selling Yourself Without Selling Out: Navigating the Tension Between Self-Promotion and Staying Grounded

    In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with sales strategist Kelly Hoppesch to unpack the art of selling yourself without feeling fake, pushy, or “salesy.” Whether you’re a CEO, a coach, or simply navigating your career, sales is a skill we all need, even if we don’t think of ourselves as salespeople.

    Kelly shares her insights on empathy in sales, how to build authentic influence, and why selling is really about connection and clarity, not scripts and pressure. You’ll walk away with actionable ways to position yourself, your ideas, and your value; all in a way that feels natural and aligned.

    Guest Bio:

    Kelly Hoppesch is a seasoned sales strategist, specializing in the HR Tech space. She’s held revenue leadership roles at powerhouse brands like LinkedIn, CareerBuilder, and Glassdoor, but her true passion lies in the messy, high-stakes world of startups. In 2021, she founded KH LLC, a consulting firm built to help tech founders unlock revenue and scale smarter, faster, and with purpose.

    Kelly believes revenue problems aren’t just about numbers — they’re rooted in people, operations, and execution. Through her work, she helps founders uncover the real heartbeat of their business, rewiring what’s broken so they can move forward with clarity and confidence.

    Stay in Touch with Change Coaches:

    -Change Coaches Guide to Create Psychological Safe Conversations Across Differences

    -Change Coaches Newsletter

    Connect with us:

    Email us at info@changecoaches.io

    Learn more about Change Coaches

    Follow LaTonya on LinkedIn

    Follow Change Coaches on LinkedIn

    For More on the Book Leading Below the Surface

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    2 months ago
    38 minutes 47 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 55: How to Really Listen—and Why It Matters in Leadership, Life, and Everyday Connection

    In this solo episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins explores one of the most overlooked leadership superpowers: deep, intentional listening. In a world full of fear, anxiety, and change, most leaders are struggling to hear—and be heard.


    Drawing from a powerful real-life coaching session, LaTonya introduces two frameworks that will help you lead with empathy and clarity:

    • P2P (Person-to-Person) Listening

    • P2B (Person-to-Belonging) Listening


    Whether you’re leading a team, navigating personal growth, or building trust, this episode will help you tune in, reflect, and create deeper human connection.


    What You’ll Learn:


    • Why listening is harder—and more essential—than ever

    • What fear has to do with our inability to listen

    • The difference between P2P and P2B listening

    • How to listen with multiple senses

    • Real tactics to become a better listener today

    • A journal prompt to help you reflect and grow



    🔗 Learn more about Coaching Below the Surface:

    https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/

    📲 Connect on LinkedIn:

    Change Coaches: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-coaches

    LaTonya Wilkins: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/




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    3 months ago
    15 minutes 56 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 54: Attached or Avoidant? Why Your Patterns Matter in Love, Leadership, and Life

    Have you ever wondered why you job hop, overfunction on teams, or struggle with work relationships? The answer might lie below the surface—in your attachment style.

    In this solo episode, LaTonya Wilkins, award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface, breaks down the four attachment styles (anxious, avoidant, disorganized, and secure) and how they show up at work, in leadership, and in love.

    You’ll walk away with:

    • A quick self-diagnosis guide to help you identify your style

    • Insights on how each style impacts your work relationships and leadership

    • Coaching tips tailored to each style—no psychology degree required

    • A powerful reminder that self-awareness is the gateway to becoming a better leader

    Whether you’re leading teams, navigating workplace tension, or just trying to understand yourself better, this episode offers a grounded, human-centered framework to help you lead and live more authentically.

    🎧 Mentioned in this episode:

    Ep. 47 – The Leadership Echo: How Childhood Trauma Affects the Way You Lead ft. Blythe Landry

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/3GW4CVfAwZO8w4KgXwkaEI

    🔗 Learn more about Coaching Below the Surface: https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/

    🔗 Follow LaTonya Wilkins on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/

    🔗 Follow Change Coaches on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-coaches


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    4 months ago
    15 minutes 44 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 53: Staying Ahead of the Curve: How to Upskill with AI and Emerging Tech

    In this episode of the Leading Below the Surface podcast, host LaTonya Wilkins sits down with Mel Milloway—servant leader, learning experience designer, and Co-Founder of This Side Up—to explore how AI and emerging learning technologies are reshaping leadership, learning, and performance.


    Mel shares how leaders and learning professionals can stay ahead of the curve by upskilling with digital tools, human-centered design, and experimentation. They discuss practical ways to think differently about learning tech, the importance of lifelong curiosity, and how the role of learning teams is shifting in real time.


    Whether you’re in L&D, leading teams, or just curious about how AI is reshaping work, this conversation will help you reimagine what it means to lead and learn today.



    Guest Bio:

    Mel Milloway is a people leader and learning experience designer with over 14 years in corporate learning. She’s led high-impact programs at Amazon and Miro, and champions innovative approaches including xAPI, UX/UI, and servant leadership. Mel publishes a newsletter on LinkedIn called This Side Up, where she shares videos, frameworks, and practices from the frontlines of modern learning.


    📍 Learn more about Mel:

    https://melmilloway.github.io/about

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/melmilloway/



    🙏🏾 Please share this episode if it resonates with you, or if you know someone who’s navigating these shifts in learning and leadership.


    🔗 Stay connected:

    Change Coaches: https://www.changecoaches.io

    Change Coaches on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-coaches

    LaTonya Wilkins on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/

    Leading Below the Surface: https://www.leadingbelowthesurface.com

    Coaching Below the Surface: https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/

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    4 months ago
    32 minutes 10 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 52: Create Your Summer of Wellbeing: How to Prioritize Wellbeing and Avoid Burnout This Summer

    Episode Summary:

    Dive into the science and soul of leadership in this inspiring episode of the Leading Below the Surface podcast! Host LaTonya Wilkins welcomes Megan Dittman, Co-Founder of Front Goose Wellbeing®, to explore what it really means to lead with wellbeing—and why this summer is the perfect time to reset.

    Megan brings over 20 years of corporate HR experience and a deep foundation in holistic wellness to this powerful conversation. Together, she and LaTonya explore the burnout epidemic, the shortcomings of traditional leadership models, and how the most resilient leaders today are turning inward.

    Discover how Megan’s RISE model (Response, Intention, Service & Evolution®) provides a roadmap for thriving in today’s unpredictable world, and why companies that prioritize human-centered leadership will rise to the top.


    🔑 Key Insights:

    • Traditional management models are no longer sustainable for performance or wellbeing

    • Megan’s RISE model reframes leadership through a lens of self-awareness and intention

    • Corporate cultures that ignore wellbeing are at a disadvantage in innovation and retention

    • Leaders must learn to care for themselves to lead others authentically

    • This is the critical moment for organizations to evolve—or risk being left behind

    If you’re craving a more grounded, human approach to leadership and success, this conversation will resonate deeply.

    👉🏾Don’t forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and hit the NOTIFICATION BELL to catch new episodes that push leadership thinking forward.


    More About Megan

    MEGAN DITTMAN, is Co-founder of Front Goose Wellbeing®; a leadership development organization that translates practices of holistic wellbeing into performance and human-centric leadership skills necessary for today’s modern leader.  With over 20 years of Corporate HR experience in her toolbelt before starting Front Goose, Megan learned first-hand what is needed for corporations to not only survive, but to thrive. Megan personally realized that ‘you cannot pour from an empty cup.’ The consequences of old-school management tactics, where leaders squeeze as much as possible from team members with no regard to their wellbeing and its impact on personal performance is clear. Creativity is severely limited, short-term thinking becomes the norm, and people revert to survival instincts damaging effective teamwork. Megan knows there is a better way and believes that today’s work environments are on the cusp of extremely positive change. She believes we are at a critical juncture where strong companies will be separated from the weak, and companies that lead with a human-centric focus will grow & prosper. Companies that cultivate the holistic wellbeing of their workforce will RISE to the top and lead with RISE - Response, Intention, Service & Evolution ®. Megan holds a Master of Industrial Labor Relations from Cornell University, and a BBA in Accounting from the University of Notre Dame. She spent four years in public accounting before pivoting to a 20-year career in corporate human resources. She is a certified Brain-Based Coach from the Neuroleadership Institute, a Certified Health & Wellbeing Coach and Primordial Sound Meditation Instructor from the Chopra Institute and holds the esteemed board certification from the AMA & NBHWC in health and wellness coaching (NBC-HWC). In addition, she is a 200-hour certified yoga teacher and is working towards her 500-hour certification. An avid reader, and lifelong learner, Megan continues to grow in her own wellbeing and leadership practices daily. All these experiences have shaped her passions and expertise in Talent Development, Corporate HR Strategy, Wellbeing, and Leadership. 



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    5 months ago
    33 minutes 4 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 51: Redefining Masculinity: Coaching Men of Color to Lead and Live Authentically

    In this enlightening dialogue, LaTonya and Austin explore how outdated societal expectations have impacted men’s well-being, relationships, and leadership effectiveness. Austin shares his journey from corporate consulting to coaching men of color and explains why spaces like The Man Cave are essential today. The conversation digs into topics like emotional regulation, stonewalling, unconscious beliefs around money and sex, and how redefining masculinity can transform not just men’s lives but our broader communities.

    • All people, regardless of gender, possess both masculine and feminine energy; understanding this dynamic is key to leadership and well-being.

    • Emotional suppression—especially among Black men—has deep roots and real consequences in leadership and relationships.

    • “Stonewalling” is a common emotional response for men, often misunderstood; awareness and breathwork can create breakthroughs.

    • Men often link their self-worth to money, success, and sex—but these are societal stories that must be unlearned.

    • The Man Cave provides a powerful community for men of color to be vulnerable, seen, and emotionally accountable.

    If you're passionate about coaching across gender and race, or curious about how masculinity is evolving in today's world, this conversation goes far beneath the surface.

    Key Insights:👉 Don’t forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and tap the NOTIFICATION BELL for more episodes that challenge outdated leadership norms.

    Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about ⁠Change Coaches⁠ (changecoaches.io)

    Learn more about Coaching Below the Surface (https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/)

    Follow LaTonya on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/)

    Follow Change Coaches on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/82310593)

    For More on the Book ⁠Leading Below the Surface (leadingbelowthesurface.com)

    And, if you loved this episode, please rate and share it!


    More About Austin

    My name is Richard Austin Walker and I am a man who shows the fuck up. I lead with truth and love. I empower responsibility and possibility.

    My practice is a reflection of my commitment to self-actualization and serving my mission in rasing the standard of masculinity for men of color. I support BIPOC men to own their truth, own the impact of their leadership, and choose the responsibility of owning all aspects of their lived experiences. I offer 1:1 coaching, men's groups, a variety of leadership development workshops, and partner with select organizations to empower a culture of leadership. I value building relationships with other men who embody their truth and choose to be leaders. 

    I host a weekly men's call for BIPOC leaders to be responsible for how they show up in the world. Each week we explore a monthly theme that is relevant for men of color. The Man Cave is a space for brotherhood, vulnerability, and authentic expression in service to being powerful models of grounded, open-hearted masculine leaders. If you want to drop into our conversation, please fill out our applicationInterested in a BIPOC men's community? Complete The Man Cave Interest form to engage. We meet Monday's at 12 PM ET and Thursday's at 6 PM ET. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScRTGX85d500k_3uJQJNqWrWw2bOsvQHaC6ZRU6y34HalaB2w/viewform 


    BIPOC men's retreat this Fall, October 23 - 26, 2025 in James Creek, PA. Learn more at the Leadership Intensive Retreat webpage. https://www.austinwalkercoaching.com/new-leadership-intensive-retreat 


    #RedefiningMasculinity #CoachingMenOfColor#InclusiveLeadership #EmotionalIntelligence #LeadingBelowTheSurface


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    5 months ago
    42 minutes 20 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 50: Inclusion Below the Surface: The Hard Truths and Risks of Abandoning Inclusivity

    Dive into the challenging realities of inclusive leadership in this powerful episode of the Leading Below the Surface podcast! Host LaTonya Wilkins welcomes psychologist and author Nadia Nagamootoo to discuss her groundbreaking book "Beyond Discomfort: Why Inclusive Leadership is so Hard.

    Episode Summary:

    In this thought-provoking conversation, LaTonya and Nadia explore why inclusion goes far beyond traditional DEI frameworks and why abandoning inclusivity poses significant risks to organizations and society. They discuss how inclusive leadership impacts innovation, mental health, and our ability to address global challenges, revealing the psychological barriers that make inclusion difficult but even more necessary in today's world.

    Key Insights:

    • Inclusive leadership extends beyond corporate DEI initiatives to impact innovation, mental health, and our approach to global challenges 

    • Power dynamics create resistance to inclusive practices, making change difficult but essential. 

    • The psychological discomfort of inclusive leadership is something to embrace rather than avoid. 

    • Receptiveness to learning about ourselves and others is fundamental to inclusive leadership.

    • Short-term thinking prevents us from seeing the long-term benefits of inclusive practices

    If you're concerned about recent backlash against inclusion initiatives or looking for deeper perspectives on creating truly inclusive environments, this episode offers valuable insights that go below the surface of conventional DEI discussions.

    • 👉 Don't forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and hit the NOTIFICATION BELL to stay updated on new episodes exploring leadership that challenges the status quo!

    More About NadiaNADIA NAGAMOOTOO (she/her) is the founder and CEO of Avenir.  She’s a Chartered Psychologist, a MBA and accredited coach with 20 years’ experience in the field of leadership development, culture change and Diversity, Equity & Inclusion.  She’s worked globally to provoke powerful conversations at all organizational levels and develop sustainable inclusive leadership practises. 

     

    She is host of the popular podcast show, Why Care?, where she delves deeply into the complex and uncomfortable world of DEI.  Her bestselling book, Beyond Discomfort: Why inclusive leadership is so hard (and what you can do about it) was published in March 2024 and has been shortlisted for the Business Book of the Year Awards 2025.

     

    www.avenirconsultingservices.com – for information about what Nadia’s company does

    www.nadianagamootoo.com – for information on the podcast show, book and speaking

    www.beyond-discomfort.com – for free resources and tools related to the book

    Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about ⁠Change Coaches⁠ (changecoaches.io)

    Learn more about Coaching Below the Surface (https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/)

    Follow LaTonya on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/)

    Follow Change Coaches on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/82310593)

    For More on the Book ⁠Leading Below the Surface (leadingbelowthesurface.com)

    And, if you loved this episode, please rate and share it!


    #InclusiveLeadership #LeadingBelowTheSurface #DEI #Leadership #HardTruths #PowerDynamics #WorkplaceCulture #Innovation #MentalHealth #Inclusivity


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    6 months ago
    38 minutes 53 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 49: Coaching Below the Surface: Coaching Across Differences, Building Safety, and Preparing for the Future of Work

    In this episode, we feature a special webinar recording where LaTonya Wilkins, award-winning executive coach and author, introduces Coaching Below the Surface, an ICF-approved coach training program launching in July 2025. This initiative outlines a fresh approach to coaching, emphasizing connection across differences and creating psychological safety in coaching relationships.

    In Episode 49, we dive into a comprehensive introduction of Coaching Below the Surface, a groundbreaking ICF-approved coach training program designed to help coaches navigate the complexities of our VUCA (Volatile, Uncertain, Complex, Ambiguous) world. LaTonya explores how this program prepares coaches to work effectively across differences, focusing on the importance of psychological safety for both coaches and clients. The presentation also introduces the REAL leadership model (Relatable, Equitable, Aware, and Loyal) and how this unique framework addresses the diverse needs of today's coaching landscape.

    Key Insights:

    • Connecting Across Differences: The program highlights the need for coaches to connect with clients across diverse perspectives and challenges, addressing the complexity of the VUCA world.

    • Psychological Safety: Coaches must create "dual psychological safety"—ensuring safety for both themselves and their clients—to foster authentic, effective coaching interactions.

    • KPE (Knowledge, Perspectives, and Experiences): The program introduces KPE as the foundation for understanding the unique differences that coaches and clients bring to the relationship.

    • The REAL Model: This coaching approach is rooted in the REAL model, which stands for Relatable, Equitable, Aware, and Loyal, helping coaches navigate diverse client needs.

    • Understanding Gen Z: Gen Z’s unique challenges are highlighted as a key focus, positioning them as one of the top leadership issues in today’s coaching landscape.

    • Cohort-Based Learning: Participants will engage in a cohort-based environment, fostering psychological safety, belonging, and "coaching joy."

    • Outcomes for Coaches: By joining the program, participants can expect tangible outcomes: more clients, improved ratings, and an overall improvement in their coaching practice.

    • The Importance of Coaching Now: The program underscores that this is a pivotal time for coaches to make a significant impact in today’s complex workplace.

    To learn more about the Coaching Below the Surface program, click here.


    0:00 - Introduction and Welcome to the Webinar

    2:15 - Overview of Leading Below the Surface Philosophy

    4:30 - Understanding the VUCA World (Volatility, Uncertainty, Complexity, Ambiguity)

    7:45 - Defining Wicked Problems in Today's Leadership Landscape

    10:20 - How Traditional Coaching Falls Short in Complex Environments

    13:40 - Introduction to Coaching Below the Surface Framework

    16:55 - Key Preparation Strategies for Effective Coaching

    20:10 - The Power of Listening Beyond Words

    23:35 - Navigating Difficult Conversations with Empathy

    27:50 - Practical Coaching Tools for VUCA Environments

    32:15 - Case Studies: Successful Below the Surface Coaching

    36:40 - Q&A Session with Webinar Participants

    41:05 - Information About the ICF-Accredited Coach Training Program

    44:30 - Next Steps and How to Connect Further

    47:15 - Closing Remarks and Thank You


    Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about ⁠Change Coaches⁠ (changecoaches.io)

    Learn more about Coaching Below the Surface (https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/)

    Follow LaTonya on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/)

    Follow Change Coaches on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/82310593)

    For More on the Book ⁠Leading Below the Surface (leadingbelowthesurface.com)

    And, if you loved this episode, please rate and share it!


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    6 months ago
    57 minutes 42 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 48: Watching Each Other Grow -- The Long Game of Online Connection

    In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins speaks with communications expert Debra Roberts about how her relationship with social media has evolved. Discover Debra's journey from being a private person to embracing social platforms as essential tools for her business growth, and learn valuable insights for navigating your own online presence.


    What You'll Learn:

    • ​How to transition from privacy-focused to strategic social media use


    • ​Balancing personal boundaries with professional visibility online


    • ​The importance of support systems when building an online presence


    • ​Practical ways to leverage social media for business growth


    • ​Tips for authentic communication in digital spaces


    More about Debra:

    Debra Roberts, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, business consultant, and trauma-trained clinician with over 30 years of experience working in all settings. She is also an author, an Inc.com columnist, public speaker, and developer of the Relationship Protocol®—a practical and easy to follow communication model that transforms how we interact and work together. It’s at the core of The Communication Protocol®, an 8-lesson online professional development program for organizations that delivers rapid, positive workplace impact.

    Debra also created My Communication Tools®, a new, compact and self-paced online program designed to improve personal communication, empowering people to have more personal agency, strengthen relationships, and talk about their differences. Connect with Debra on LinkedIn or Instagram.

    Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about ⁠Change Coaches⁠ 

    Follow LaTonya on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ 

    Follow Change Coaches on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ 

    For More on the Book ⁠Leading Below the Surface

    And, if you loved this episode, please rate and share it!

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    7 months ago
    38 minutes 50 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 46: 8 Keys to Developing a Next-Level Leadership Mindset

    Is your mindset feeling off, but you don't really know why? In this episode, LaTonya Wilkins shares 8 actionable ways to upgrade your leadership mindset and thrive in today's rapidly changing world. She dives into the importance of self-awareness and emotional intelligence, exploring how recognizing triggers and managing emotions can guide decisions and improve relationships.

    LaTonya also discusses the significance of cultivating a growth mindset and building resilience in the face of uncertainty. By sharing personal stories and practical strategies, she aims to help listeners adapt to change and lead with calm and clarity. Throughout the episode, she emphasizes the importance of trusting oneself and making confident decisions while fostering a sense of purpose and committing to long-term success.

    Join LaTonya as she navigates the complexities of leadership in today's times. Whetheryou are looking to enhance your well-being or improve your leadership skills, this episode is packed with insights that can transform their mindset. For more resources, visit changecoaches.io or email info@changecoaches.io.

    Inventory of Links:

    Resources from Today’s Episode

    Learn more about Our ICF-Approved Coach and Leadership Training Program: https://changecoaches.io/2025-coaching-below-the-surface/

    Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about ⁠Change Coaches⁠ (changecoaches.io)

    Follow LaTonya on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/)

    Follow Change Coaches on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/82310593)

    For More on the Book ⁠Leading Below the Surface (leadingbelowthesurface.com)

    And, if you loved this episode, please rate and share it!


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    7 months ago
    36 minutes 14 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 47: The Leadership Echo: How Childhood Trauma Shapes the Way You Lead

    In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins speaks with trauma coach Blythe Landry about how trauma affects leadership. Discover how unresolved trauma can lead to authoritarian or avoidant leadership styles and what you can do to create a more supportive and effective work environment.

    What You'll Learn:

    • How trauma impacts leadership styles

    • The difference between avoidant and authoritarian leadership

    • Strategies for leaders to address their own trauma

    • How to create a psychologically safe workplace
    • The link between childhood trauma, burnout, and imposter syndrome

  • Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about ⁠Change Coaches⁠ 

    Follow LaTonya on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ 

    Follow Change Coaches on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ 

    For More on the Book ⁠Leading Below the Surface

    Connect with Blythe Landry

    And, if you loved this episode, please rate and share it!


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    7 months ago
    41 minutes 40 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 45: Navigating Life's Surprises with Confidence: Stories and Strategies from Change Coaches

    Join me, LaTonya Wilkins, on the Leading Below the Surface podcast as I chat with Sabrina Creighton, a Change Coaches Coach partner, about navigating unexpected life changes, including divorce and personal growth. In this episode, we delve into the challenges of dealing with grief, managing transitions, and the importance of community support. We share personal stories, tools, and resources to help you thrive and find resilience, no matter what life throws your way.

    In this episode, Sabrina and I discuss:

    • Dealing with loss and grief

    • Working through childhood traumas

    • The impact of divorce on personal identity

    • The importance of community and support systems

    • Redesignating your life after major shifts

    • Empathizing with yourself and practicing self-care

    • Pruning relationships and focusing on your roots

    Timestamps:

    • 00:00:00 - Introduction to Change Coaches

    • 00:00:48 - Episode introduction: Unexpected Life Changes

    • 00:01:43 - Welcoming Sabrina Creighton

    • 00:02:47 - Sabrina's Journal Company and living her best life

    • 00:04:48 - Internal vs. External storms

    • 00:06:42 - Building a protective force field

    • 00:10:32 - Stories of life shifts

    • 00:11:05 - Sabrina's experience with her mother's cancer and passing

    • 00:15:27 - Sharing experiences with loss

    • 00:20:16 - Working through childhood traumas

    • 00:22:29 - Mothers' legacies

    • 00:27:59 - Doors opening

    • 00:29:46 - Unexpected divorce

    • 00:34:30 - Losing yourself in relationships

    • 00:38:06 - Unexpected separations/divorces

    • 00:38:57 - Resources: Necessary Endings

    • 00:41:34 - The tree analogy

    • 00:44:17 - The importance of community

    • 00:44:46 - Therapy and life design
    • 00:50:55 - Final thoughts and sharing the podcast

    Resources Mentioned:

    • Book: Necessary Endings by Henry Cloud

    • Book: Conscious Uncoupling by Katherine Woodward Thomas

    • Book: Let Them by Mel Robbins

    Connect with Sabrina:

    • Coaching Company: Sabrina Creighton LLC

    • Pen & Purpose Journal https://penandpurposejournalco.com/

    • Pen & Purpose LinkedIn 

    • Pen & Purpose Instagram 

    Connect with LaTonya and Change Coaches:

    • Website: Changecoaches.io

    • Email: info@changecoaches.io

    • Follow LaTonya on⁠LinkedIn⁠ 

    • Follow Change Coaches on⁠LinkedIn⁠ 

    • For More on the Book⁠Leading Below the Surface

    If you found this episode helpful, please share it with others and rate us on your favorite podcast app! Thank you for listening!



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    8 months ago
    52 minutes 5 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 44: Resilient Leadership in Uncertain Times -- Three Strategies for Growth

    In this episode, LaTonya Wilkins explores the critical role of resilient leadership in navigating today’s complex workplace. Drawing from personal experiences and research, she shares actionable strategies for cultivating resilience to tackle challenges effectively. Listeners will gain insights into the definition of resilience, its significance in enhancing emotional intelligence and relationships, and the various factors that influence resilience, such as access to resources and community support.


    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about⁠⁠ ⁠Change Coaches⁠⁠⁠ 

    Sign Up for the⁠Change Coaches Community Newsletter⁠

    Watch the Podcast on⁠YouTube⁠

    Follow LaTonya on⁠⁠ ⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠ 

    Follow Change Coaches on⁠⁠ ⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠ 

    For More on the Book⁠⁠ ⁠Leading Below the Surface⁠

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    8 months ago
    20 minutes 32 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 43: Strengthening Loose Ties: Rebuilding Community and Social Skills in a Digital World

    In this enlightening podcast episode, LaTonya Wilkins dives into the critical theme ofbuilding relationships in contemporary society, especially in light of the growing issue of social isolation. LaTonya explores the importance of fostering connections, particularly for individuals in midlife or those transitioning out of college. With recent research highlighting loneliness as an epidemic, especially among younger generations like Gen Z, LaTonya aims to provide actionable strategies for expanding social circles and improving interpersonal skills.

    • 00:00:01 - Introduction to Change Coaches

    • 00:01:06 - Episode Focus: Building Relationships in Today's Society

    • 00:01:39 - Motivation Behind the Episode: Social Isolation and Recent Read

    • 00:02:33 - Context of Current Events and Their Impact on Relationships

    • 00:03:13 - Discussion on Social Isolation and Loneliness Epidemic

    • 00:05:32 - Facts on the Decline of Social Interactions

    • 00:08:59 - Importance of Loose Ties and Their Decline

    • 00:10:43 - Loss of Opportunities for Practicing Social Skills

    • 00:12:09 - Impact of Social Isolation on Mental Health

    • 00:13:46 - Finding Your Community: Introduction

    • 00:14:15 - Steps to Connect with Others

      00:19:13 - Organizational Benefits of Connection

      00:20:29 - Conclusion and Next Episode Preview


    Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about⁠ ⁠Change Coaches⁠⁠ 

    Sign Up for theChange Coaches Community Newsletter

    Watch the Podcast onYouTube

    Follow LaTonya on⁠ ⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠ 

    Follow Change Coaches on⁠ ⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠ 

    For More on the Book⁠ ⁠Leading Below the Surface

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    9 months ago
    20 minutes 36 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Ep 42: The Caregiving Crisis -- Why Workplaces Must Do More

    Join LaTonya Wilkins in this enlightening episode of the Leading Below the Surface podcast as she explores the crucial role of caregiving in today's society. Featuring expert insights from Kate Washington, author of "Already Toast: Caregiving and Burnout in America," this discussion delves into the evolving terminology surrounding caregiving, the emotional and practical challenges caregivers face, and the importance of support systems in the workplace. Discover innovative strategies for fostering a supportive workplace culture, recognizing diverse family structures, and advocating for inclusive caregiving policies. Whether you're a caregiver or an employer, this episode provides valuable insights to enhance well-being and promote resilience in caregiving roles. Tune in for an inspiring conversation that champions the power of community and connection in caregiving!


    Resources from Today’s Episode

    You can learn more about Kate: https://www.kawashington.com/index.html

    Learn more about the Change Coaches Coaching Sprint⁠ by emailing ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    -Change Coaches Guide to Create Psychological Safe Conversations Across Differences

    -Change Coaches Newsletter

    Connect with us: 

    Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

    Learn more about ⁠Change Coaches⁠ 

    Follow LaTonya on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ 

    Follow Change Coaches on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ 


    For More on the Book ⁠Leading Below the Surface

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    9 months ago
    36 minutes 52 seconds

    The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins
    Honest conversations on leadership, emotional strength, and human connection in a chaotic world. Hosted by LaTonya Wilkins—award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface—this podcast explores inclusive leadership, psychological safety, and personal growth. Whether you’re a leader, coach, or simply navigating life with intention, you’ll walk away with real tools to lead and live more authentically. Learn more at changecoaches.io.