In EP 35, John and Jason kick off fall 2025 with a conversation on how AI has been added to Grammarly and Canvas (whether we like it or not) and if the future of online learning will be formed by Cyborg pedagogy (and what that means).  See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Guest Bios: John Nash, PhD, is an associate professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Kentucky. Jason Johnston, PhD, is the Executive Director of Online Learning and Course Production at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. Resources: Canvas and OpenAI Partnership Press Release Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript: We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! EP 35 - Educators with or versus AI? Grammarly, Canvas AI, and Cyborg Pedagogy Jason: But I'm looking forward to the, great list of potential guests that we have. I don't want to say any names yet 'cause nobody said yes yet. John: No. Jason: We don't have any yeses yet, John: Yeah. Everybody's just Jason: on the calendar yet John: our list is amazing, Jason: Yeah, we've got a great list. John: no one's, we haven't sent them invitations yet. Jason: Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess there's that too. So we haven't gotten any nos. That's a good part John: No. No. Jason: Yeah. John: No. Yes. I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. Jason: Hey, John. Hey everyone. And this is Online Learning in the second half, the Online Learning podcast. John: Yeah. We're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for now our third season kicking off about online education. I know. And so, hey, newsflash, online learning is still trying to be great. Some of it is, a lot of it still isn't quite there, Jason. We're gonna keep talking about how to get it to the next stage. How are we gonna do that? Jason: That is a great question. How about we talk about today, what we're thinking about this fall as we head into this new school year and new season? John: Yeah, absolutely. It's been an interesting summer. Little things popping up here and there. I notice Grammarly's doing some interesting things. Looks like Canvas is doing some things. A lot of stuff on the horizon. Jason: . Yeah. And I would love to get into those, but I wanted to just kind of on the front end as we're kind of restarting the season, just even talk a little bit about, just a overall standpoint just for a moment here to talk about why we are doing this podcast. What do you think, John? Why are we doing this podcast again? John: I think we're doing this podcast for a couple of reasons. I'll throw out the very selfish reason why I'm doing this podcast. This is my professional development activity. This keeps me honest in terms of thinking about what I believe is important about teaching and learning online. It also gives me a chance to hear what you're thinking and I value your opinion and your philosophies a lot. And I think it also lets us share some ideas with like-minded people who are really interested in trying to make online teaching and learning better. Jason: Yeah. That's good. I've got a check mark beside all those. Always enjoy the conversation with you, John. This is a big part of wanting to do these. I always look forward to them and And we realized when we started adding guests to our podcast, although we really enjoy our conversations, but it just adds another element of another voice. And that's one thing I really value about bringing different guests with different viewpoints in. As we get started this year, I hope to bring in some different viewpoints, not just people that would just agree with everything that we have to s

In EP 34, John and Jason discuss with Dr. Judith Boettcher the evolution of online learning, the importance of instructional design, and the centrality of student engagement. The conversation also touches on project-based learning, AI's impact on education, and the critical role of teacher-as-mentor. Tune in for an insightful discussion on making online learning more effective, human, and future-ready. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Learn more about Dr. Judith Boettcher on her website: http://designingforlearning.info/about-dr-boettcher/ Resources: PLATO Computer System Judith’s Website Judith’s book: Online Teaching Survival Guide (2021) Jason’s other top Online Teaching Books Michelle Miller “Minds Online” Flower Darby - “Small Teaching Online” Catherine Denial “Pedagogy of kindness” Judith’s article: Student-Centered Learning in Dewey’s Holodeck – It Doesn’t Get Any Better than This—Now! IHE article - The Absurdity of Asynchrony Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! [00:00:00] Jason: Today is a fulfillment of a little bit of a dream of mine. Do you know this? So thank you for helping me fulfill one of my dreams. [00:00:06] Judith: Wow. Sounds like excellent planning, Jason! [Intro Music] [00:00:10] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:13] Jason: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:19] John Nash: Yeah. We're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the past. Wow. Are we going to start our third year of this soon? Yeah. [00:00:28] Jason: I guess so. [00:00:30] John Nash: About online education, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but still a lot of it isn't. So how are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:39] Jason: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:44] John Nash: I'd love to do that. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:47] Jason: Well, I'm very excited today, John, because we have a very special guest with us. Somebody that I've been reading her work now for a while and it is Judith Betcher. Judith, welcome. [00:01:00] Judith: Well, thank you very much for being here. I'm delighted to be part of your series. [00:01:04] Jason: Yeah, well, it's so great to have you. Judith, why don't you tell us just a little bit about kind of your your background? What have you been up to for the last little while? I know that a big part of your life is online learning and you've done it both in various capacities. So just tell us a little bit. [00:01:19] Judith: well, actually, getting ready for this podcast, I started going back and thinking, and when you're as old as I am, that's kind of dangerous, you realize, and I thought, Oh my God, my first experience with anything approaching online learning was when I was working for a computer company and we were building and designing. What was called at that time computer based instruction. So, as man, as we've moved along here, over these years, I was thinking it's actually online learning has become it actually is a merging of the computer based instruction movement with the traditional distance learning, in the old distance learning correspondence learning. So what we have Today in 2025 is really elements of all of these different movements, starting back with the like I said, the computer based instruction movement. [00:02:11] Jason: Yeah, that's great. And do you mind me asking what year that might have been with a computer based inst

In EP 33, John and Jason talk to Flower Darby about small steps for inclusive, equitable, and humanized online learning, and explore the transformative power of community, connection, and compassion in digital classrooms while tackling the future of AI’s role in education. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: Flower Darby Website Small Teaching Online (book) The Norton Guide to Equity-Minded Teaching Request a free copy: https://seagull.wwnorton.com/equityguide Karen Costa’s 99 Tips For Creating Simple and Sustainable Educational Videos(book) Steven Covey - Circle of Control - Circle of Influence Flower’s Recent article in the Chronicle: https://www.chronicle.com/article/5-small-steps-for-ai-skeptics I’m a Doctor. ChatGPT’s Bedside Manner Is Better Than Mine.  Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! False Start [00:00:00] Flower Darby: It's always fun to talk to interesting, intelligent people who care deeply about our work. So I've, enjoyed our conversation. [00:00:11] Jason:. So that's our,that's a lot of our main goal here, really, John, is to get to that point. Where people say nice things about us. And to know it's coming from a real person. I mean, ChatGPT loves everything I say, NotebookLM. Absolutely adores every article I've ever written and every line, but to know this is coming from a real person makes a difference for me. So thank you. Real Start [00:00:34] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:37] Jason: John. Hey, everyone. And this is online learning in the second half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:42] John Nash: Yeah. We're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great and some of it is, but there's still some that isn't. So can we get to the next stage? [00:00:56] Jason: That's a great question, John. How about we do a podcast to talk about it? [00:01:00] John Nash: I think that's a great idea. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:04] Jason: Well, you know, one of the great things about being able to do a podcast is meeting cool people and people that can help us answer this question about, you know, what are we going to do in the second half of life as it comes to theonline podcast? And maybe the second half of our lives too. I don't know, John. We could, I guess we could that into some of our podcast, actually get some, get some life coaching or something from the, from the guests as they come in. [00:01:32] John Nash: if that involves me divulging my age. I'll, I'm not doing that yet. [00:01:36] Jason: Okay. All right. Well, I think I just did a little bit, so, in just in a general sense. So that's good. Well, we have Flower Darby with us as a guest. And so I'm really excited to talk to Flower. Hi Flower. How are you? [00:01:51] Flower Darby: Hi, Jason. I'm so good. Hi, John. Thank you so much for inviting me onto your podcast. It is always a pleasure and a privilege. I don't take that for granted at all, but anybody cares what I think about anything. So thanks for having me. [00:02:05] Jason: Yeah, well, thank you so much. Yeah. How would you like to introduce yourself, Flower? I mean, we could read some of the things off your bio, but what would you like our audience to know about you that might be helpful for them to understand our conversation today? [00:02:21] Flower Darby: Sure, let me just quickly and conversationally sum up my background I don't, I'm not a fan of reading a bio, people can look that up themselves if they would like to get more information, right, But I have been teaching in higher education for coming up on 29 yea

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Cate Denial, author of “Pedagogy of Kindness” about kindness to self and students in the online classroom. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Guest Bio: Cate Denial is the Bright Distinguished Professor of American History and Director of the Bright Institute at Knox College in Galesburg, Illinois. Her new book, A Pedagogy of Kindness, is now available from the University of Oklahoma Press. Her historical research has examined the early nineteenth-century experience of pregnancy, childbirth and child-rearing in Upper Midwestern Ojibwe and missionary cultures, research that grew from Cate’s previous book, Making Marriage: Husbands, Wives, and the American State in Dakota and Ojibwe Country (2013). From July 2022 to December 2023, Cate was the PI on a $150,000 Mellon-funded grant bringing together thirty-six participants from across higher education in the United States to explore “Pedagogies, Communities, and Practices of Care in the Academy After COVID-19.” Cate consults on teaching in higher education with individuals, departments, and institutions in the US, UK, Ireland, Canada, and Australia. Connecting with Cate: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherine-denial-8869a115b/ https://bsky.app/profile/cjdenial.bsky.social https://catherinedenial.org/ Links and Resources: Critical Digital Pedagogy: A Collection (free access) A Pedagogy of Kindness (book) Michelle Miller’s post on Same Side Pedagogy Rethinking Rigor (Kevin Gannon) Annotate Your Syllabus (Remi Kalir) Digital Pedagogy Lab 2025 Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! False Start [00:00:00] Jason: good Well, thank you. Yeah, that was a great conversation [00:00:02] Cate Denial: Yeah. Let me know, you know, if you need anything from me and otherwise I'll look forward to listening in when you get it all done. [00:00:10] Jason: Okay, our our timeline is usually somewhere between two weeks and six months [00:00:18] Cate Denial: Okay. Start [00:00:19] John Nash: I'm John nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:22] Jason: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning, the second half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:28] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two years about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but. A lot of it still isn't. So how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:00:43] Jason: That's a great question. How about we do a podcast, John, and talk about it? [00:00:48] John Nash: I think that's a perfect idea. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:51] Jason: Well, today we have a special guest with us. With us is Catherine Denial. Cate is the Bright Distinguished Professor of American History and Director of the Bright Institute at Knox College in Galesburg, Illinois. Welcome, Cate. [00:01:07] Cate Denial: Thanks for having me. [00:01:09] Jason: Can we call you Cate? [00:01:10] Cate Denial: Of course. [00:01:12] Jason: Sometimes I take that liberty when people have that on their little thing in the video screen. I say, well, if it's there, then I guess we can call them that. [00:01:20] Cate Denial: Yeah, absolutely. [00:01:22] Jason: Yeah. Well, good. Well, it's so great to have you here. One of the reasons why we reached out to you is because of your book, which we'll get to. But even before that , in the spring of this last year, so I've got a digital critical pedagogy book club that we started in the spring. So. There's a great anthology that you're p

In this episode, John and Jason react to the new button in Google’s Notebook LM that allows users to make an instant podcast. Will it be a threat to educators' voices and hard-working podcasters everywhere? See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: NotebookLM Jason’s article “Better Definitions of Distance Education” The AI Deep Dive Podcast based on the article. Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! [00:00:00] Jason: That's onlinelearningpodcast.com. [00:00:03] John: Perfect. And that was a real human doing that. [00:00:06] Jason: That was a real human, even though I sounded a little more. I leaned into the mic to make it sound a little more podcasty. [00:00:12] John: Good. Well, we'll have to work on our upbeat banter between [00:00:16] Jason: guess so. [00:00:16] John: too. [00:00:17] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:20] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:25] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but a lot of it still isn't. How are we going to get there, Jason? [00:00:40] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:45] John Nash: That's a great idea. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:48] Jason: Nice to see you. How's Sweden? [00:00:50] John: Sweden is good. It's a little rainy here, but now the sun is coming out. It looks like we'll have a nice weekend here. So, it's [00:00:57] Jason: Yeah. Good. [00:00:59] John: So, Jason, what do you think about Google's notebook the LM and what it's doing in particular with these that we'll make from content? Yeah. [00:01:12] Jason: was wild, we've been at this at least a couple of years talking about, at least between you and I, and then like a year and a half here in the podcast, talking about AI and some of its effects on education primarily, but also just on a lot of the creative work that you and I do in different ways. Right. And I joked with somebody that, was fine when AI came for the graphic designers because, I'm not a graphic designer and, when it came for the writers and because I've never been that enthralled with the five paragraph essay anyways, [00:01:45] John: yeah. [00:01:45] Jason: the, the podcasting [00:01:47] John: it's fine that AI put the writers and the graphic designers out of business, but this part about podcasters, that's just too far, That's right. Exactly. [00:01:55] Jason: Notebook LM has been at it for about a year. I believe is the first time that I used it. And it had some nice features of pulling in different content and so on, but they just popped out this podcasting feature and I was blown away by how natural it sounded and then how like up and positive and excited the podcast hosts were about everything that it talked about. John maybe we can listen to a couple of clips that we made. Here's one that I made actually out of a 2020 article that I had published around creating new definitions of distance education. And so, yeah, anyways, let's listen to a little bit and, and see what you think. [00:02:44] John: Yeah, let's do that, because I think that'll show the banter and the give and take. [00:02:48] Notebook 2: Totally. Technically, both are distance learning, but they're totally different experiences. Night and day. And I think that's why you started se

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Omid Fotuhi, a research associate at the University of Pittsburgh and the Director of Learning Innovation at WGU Labs, about the notion of belonging in the evolving landscape of online learning. They discuss the WGU model and how it breaks traditional barriers through competency-based, self-paced education, the critical role of fostering a sense of belonging for student success, the need for institutions to move beyond temporary interventions to address deeper structural issues, and the future of education where learning becomes more independent. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com   Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)   Links and Resources: Inscribe - Community-based educational software application "Where and with whom does a brief social-belonging intervention promote progress in college?” Article https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade4420 Dr. Omid Fotuhi Contact Information LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/omidfotuhi/   Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections!       [00:00:00] Omid Fotuhi: The notion and the assumption that learning happens best, as measured by seat time, the number of hours you spend.   <Phone goes off>   [00:00:07] Omid Fotuhi: Ha.   [00:00:08] John Nash: So   [00:00:09] Jason Johnston: rookie mistake, John. Come on. We haven't quite been at this a year yet, Omid. so…   [00:00:15] John Nash: My phone is off, but my Macintosh rang   [00:00:18] Omid Fotuhi: Yeah. Okay. Yeah.   <Theme Music>   [00:00:21] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston.   [00:00:25] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey everyone. And this is online learning in the second half, the online learning podcast.   [00:00:31] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two years about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but still, a lot of it really isn't. And so Jason, how are we going to get to the next stage?   [00:00:47] Jason Johnston: That's a great question, John. How about we do a podcast and talk about it?   [00:00:51] John Nash: I think that's a great idea. What do you want to talk about today?   [00:00:55] Jason Johnston: Today we are joined by Dr. Omid Fatouhi. Omid, welcome to the podcast.   [00:01:01] Omid Fotuhi: Thank you. It's great to be here.   [00:01:03] Jason Johnston: Can we call you Omid?   [00:01:05] Omid Fotuhi: That sounds great.   [00:01:06] Jason Johnston: Okay. Omid is a research associate at the University of Pittsburgh and director of learning innovation at WGU labs. So great to have you here to talk with us today.   [00:01:17] Omid Fotuhi: I look forward to it.   [00:01:19] Jason Johnston: You and I, we met over dinner through the company Inscribe at a conference. And one of the things that, of course, immediately, just made me realize that you were just a great guy is our common love of Canada We talked about living in Canada and talked a little bit about longing to live in Canada again.   And so I appreciated that. And then we connected, of course, over the topic of online and the panel that this company Inscribe, which I can put a link in, great people, cool product. Not paid by them. But I'll put a link to our show notes. But they connected us over this idea of belonging, student belonging online, which is a huge topic.   And we'll get into that beca

In this episode, John and Jason talk to Ericka Hollis, PhD, about silence as liberatory practice, student backchannels, belonging in the online classroom, and leadership challenges with professional development. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Great list of foundational articles on the Community of Inquiry ACUE's Effective Teaching Framework for Higher Education John’s paper on online discussions: “A Tale of Two Forums: One Professor's Path to Improve Learning through a Common Online Teaching Tool” Dr. Ericka Hollis Contact Information ACUE Page Email: ehollis@acue.org LinkedIn Twiiter / X Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! Mic Check [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: Hey, John, could I ask you will you tilt your mic back a little bit? I'm sorry to be so mic-picky these days. [00:00:09] John Nash: Should I talk while I do that? Here's where it was and now I'm still talking and here's where it's going and now it's here. [00:00:17] Jason Johnston: Yeah, that's pretty good. [00:00:19] John Nash: I do appreciate your pickiness. I do. Silence as Liberatory Practice [00:00:21] Jason Johnston: All right. As you can see, this is pretty pretty tight operation we run here. The Online Learning Podcast. Heh. We basically When we started it, we decided that we would just do what we could do. You know what I mean? And we're having a good time. And I think that, I, we're getting some good responses from it. I think people that listen and we produce it up to the level that we can manage. And yeah. And this is it. [00:00:50] John Nash: I especially like the silences. It's a solace, not soul less. It's a SOLACE. [00:00:57] Jason Johnston: Solace. The silences. Yeah. [00:01:00] John Nash: Yes. [00:01:00] Ericka Hollis: One of the effective teaching practices is wait time. Most of the time in education, we don't wait long enough. So for someone to actually think and respond, right? There's research behind that when you jump right in. And so I love awkward silence. I'm really an introvert. Although most of my career, I do things that are very extroverted. So I'm okay with the pause and the solace, if you will, John. Yeah, [00:01:30] John Nash: we'll just do Erica Hollis episode and we'll just have it be 40 minutes of no talking. [00:01:36] Jason Johnston: Yeah. Like John Cage, if you're familiar with his pieces. He sits at the piano and he's got sheet music and it's all blank. After four minutes and thirty three seconds, packs up the sheet music and then goes. But I feel you on that. I'm an introvert as well. And I'm also, I feel like I'm slower, sometimes slower to respond, especially in a classroom where I'm taking in a lot of stimulus. And so I always found in the face to face classrooms, I would think of really like good things to say, like later two hours later, or good questions to ask, but it was rarely like right in the moment. It was like, it was always later which is one of the things I liked about online learning is that it was the asynchronous gave some simmer time for me and some time to think about things and to be able to respond some. [00:02:29] Ericka Hollis: I think that's a fair point. That's one of the reasons I have one of my youngest sister is she has extreme social anxiety, and she has just done so much better in asynchronous online courses, even as an undergraduate student. Just because that works better for her, instead of being like called on in the class, like cold calling, we cold call on people. And some people are like, yeah, they jump right in. And some people you ca

In this Spring 2024 check-in, John and Jason talk about AI-created voices, the importance of human presence in online education, the challenges of AI detection like Turnitin, and insights from their spring conferences and presentations. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Eleven labs AI voice generation (on OpenAI) John's deck from his presentation at ASBMB - AI as an instructional designer and a tutor. The Ezra Klein Show - Interviewing Dario Amodei Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! False Start: John Nash: Okay, we'll get AI to fix that. Jason Johnston: You can maybe get AI to fix that. Intro: AI Speaker 1: Hi, I’m not John Nash and I’m not here with Jason Johnston. AI Speaker 2: Hey, not-John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. AI Speaker 1: Yeah, and we are doing this podcast to let you all in on a conversation we’ve been having about online education for the last few years. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but some of it isn’t. What are we going to do to get to the next stage, not-Jason? AI Speaker 2: That’s a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? AI Speaker 1: That sounds great. What do you want to talk about today? AI Speaker 2: I’ve got a big question for you not-John. Are you ready? AI Speaker 1: Okay, shoot. AI Speaker 2: If we carefully and lovingly create a script for an online learning video (or podcast) but then have AI-created voices read that script. Are we humanizing or de-humanizing online learning? AI Speaker 1: I’m just a text-based large language model chat-bot and I don’t think I’m equipped to answer that question. Maybe we should bring in the real John and Jason? John? Jason? What do you think? John Nash: I think it's a great question, real Jason. Jason Johnston: Yeah, real John. It's it's good to see you in real Zoom. and that is a great question that this our chatbots pose for us today. And I think that yeah, I'm not, what do you have any initial responses to the question if we use AI tools to lovingly create our scripts for online videos or for podcasts, are we dehumanizing or are we, humanizing these experiences John Nash: Well, it's a classic academic answer, isn't it? It depends. Jason Johnston: Depends. John Nash: But I think used exclusively, I think it does dehumanize. I think used judiciously and with an agenda to humanize, I think they could be helpful, but the jury's probably out because it's all context, isn't it? Jason Johnston: Yeah, definitely context and it gets into some philosophical questions as well, when we talk about humanizing. There is the act, there is the perception, right? And so, this goes back to some of the things that are going on even with AI telehealth, and so on. Or AI therapy. If the people don't know, does it matter? Does it feel human? Have they had the experience of being with a human, even though it wasn't a human? And then does it matter? I guess there's a ethical question about, It matters because we want to be transparent and we want to be honest with people and so on. But if at the end of the day they feel like that they've been in a humanized situation and it gives them maybe a positive outcome for them. John Nash: Yes. Yes. Yes. I think we discussed that last year a little bit. Yes. So essentially what we're saying is that if we fake them into feeling belonging, then that's okay. Jason Johnston: yeah. As long as maybe we're not being dishonest with them. Or maybe not, I shouldn't say maybe

In this episode, John and Jason talk to Christelle Daceus of Johns Hopkins University chats about digital neo-colonialism and efforts to humanize online learning through training about AI and promoting inclusive practices. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Christelle Daceus, M.Ed., is a Course Support Specialists at the Whiting School of Engineering, Johns Hopkins University, and the Founder and CEO of Excellence Within Reach  Watch for Christelle’s book chapter - Coming late 2024 on Springer Nature Press “Using Global Learning through the Collaborative Online International Learning Model to Achieve Sustainable Development Goals by Building Intercultural Competency Skills” coedited by Kelly Tzoumis and Elena Douvlou with a chapter titled “Combatting Virtual Exchange’s Predisposition to Digital Colonialism: Culturally Informed Digital Accessibility as a Tool for Achieving the UN SDGs” Johns Hopkins Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium John & Jason’s 6 Guideposts - Slide Deck (via Gamma.app) Christelle’s symposium video Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under an Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions or can help with any corrections! [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: What'd you have for breakfast? [00:00:01] Christelle Daceus: I did not have breakfast. I was thinking here that I have two dogs, so that my mornings consist of a lot of making sure they get their walk in and getting my nice kind of walk in the morning and things like that. It helps me start my day. And I spend a lot of time just hydrating, tea, I like, because I think I have a full plate, I would call it. I like to have a really quiet morning, just like the simplest morning that I can have, depending on what my first thing is to do that day. This is my first meeting today, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna chill with the dogs, get into my emails and things like that. [00:00:40] John Nash: Nice. We've been getting more into tea lately. There's wonderful woman-owned emporium near our house called White Willow and they've got a new herbalist and, we picked up a lavender earl gray tea there last night. [00:00:53] Christelle Daceus: Ooh, that sounds good. [00:00:54] John Nash: The little things. I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:01:00] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:01:05] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but there's still quite a bit that isn't. And Jason, how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:01:20] Jason Johnston: That's a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:24] John Nash: That's perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:27] Jason Johnston: Well, today we're probably going to hit some pretty big themes, John, and it's partly because we have connected with somebody that we first connected with at the Johns Hopkins Online Teaching Excellence Symposium. So we have with us today, Christelle Dacius. Thank you so much for joining us. And we're really just looking forward to talking to you today. [00:01:51] Christelle Daceus: too. Thank you so much. [00:01:54] Jason Johnston: Well, we wanted to get started by just talking a little bit about what is it you do currently? You're connected in with JHU maybe talk about that first, but I also know that you're an entrepreneur. They have other pursuits outside of JHU as well. [00:02:07] Christelle Daceus: Yeah, I am a long time edu

In this episode, John and Jason talk IN PERSON, reflecting on year one of their podcast. Keeping with the theme, they also find a few rabbit holes to chase, consider developments in AI, and talk about educational and ethical considerations around AI-generated music and video. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Hard Fork Podcast SORA OpenAI Video Alibaba EMO Video Demo (Jason’s LinkedIn post) Suno.ai Support Human Artists! Gangstagrass Mr. Beast on Youtube (not that he needs any more clicks) The makeup brush holder John keeps his pens in Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! 1 Year Anniversary Special [00:00:00] Jason: Would you happen to have a pen I could borrow? Yeah. [00:00:02] John: Felt blue, black. [00:00:04] Jason: That is amazing. I've just this moment, I just noticed your incredible, your - you've got like a pen store. [00:00:10] John: These are makeup brush holders. [00:00:12] Jason: Oh really? Okay. Black, please. [00:00:15] John: ballpoint, flare [00:00:17] Jason: pen, Flare. Perfect. [00:00:19] John: yeah [00:00:19] Jason: And would you happen to have any sticky notes? That's incredible. You are really set up here. That is something else. [00:00:24] John: I dream that someone, no one visits me. I'm set up for a full-on brainstorming session with a gigantic. Five feet by three-foot whiteboard and 500 colored sticky notes. [00:00:34] Jason: Sticky notes galore. [00:00:35] John: Yeah, I'm ready to change things if anybody wants to come over. [00:00:38] John: I'm John Nash here in the same room with Jason Johnston. [00:00:43] Jason: Hey John, hey everyone, and this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:48] John: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but there's still a lot that quite isn't there. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:01:02] Jason: How about we create a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:06] John: How about we do that? How about we create a podcast, do it for a year, and then talk about what that year was like? [00:01:11] Jason: that sounds great! Happy anniversary, John! [00:01:13] John: Happy anniversary, Jason. [00:01:15] Jason: I should have brought you something. I didn't. I'm sorry. How about we go out to lunch and we and we celebrate? [00:01:20] John: yeah, and maybe we can get a demo of the Apple Vision. [00:01:23] Jason: Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah. There's a little place right there where we can grab some lunch and maybe go over to the Apple store. See what's going on. [00:01:30] John: Yeah, [00:01:31] Jason: That would be thematic. A lot of this podcast has been a number of things. One, talking about online learning, but also talking about the new tech and how it might affect online learning in the last year. [00:01:41] John: Yeah. We are EdTech nerds also. [00:01:43] Jason: We are, we tend to nerd out on a few of these things. Today on my way over here, because I had to drive to this podcast today. I didn't do this podcast in my pajamas. [00:01:54] John: Horrors. And you drove yourself. You had to operate a machine to get here. [00:01:59] Jason: But it gave me, afforded me a little bit of time in the car to listen to a podcast. I listened to our first episode. It was kind of nostalgic, [00:02:06] John: you weren't tuning in to our first episode just out of some kind of vanity thing Oh, I love listening to me. [00:02:12] Jason: No, it was not because I like the sound of my own voice. Although after doing a podcast for a year, you get used to it.

In this episode, John and Jason talk to Karen Watté, the Senior Director of Course Development and Training at Oregon State University’s Ecampus about their free tools for AI guidance in higher education and how to humanize online education. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Oregon State University - eCampus AI Tools: https://ecampus.oregonstate.edu/faculty/artificial-intelligence-tools/ ) Michelle Miller’s Newsletter: Teaching from the Same Side https://michellemillerphd.substack.com/p/r3-117-september-15-2023-reflection OSU eCampus Readiness Playbook https://ecampus.oregonstate.edu/faculty/artificial-intelligence-tools/readiness-playbook/ Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions!   [00:00:01] Jason Johnston: I picture everyone in Oregon in Log cabins and so on. Is that correct? [00:00:04] Karen Watté: no, not at all. [00:00:06] Jason Johnston: What? [00:00:07] Karen Watté: I always say tell our candidates who are coming, I say, we have the best of both worlds. You're an hour from some beautiful ski areas, you're an hour from the coast. And boy, if you wanna see the desert, you just head on a little bit further. And we've got the high desert. So, we've got something of every, for everyone here. I've lived other places too and I come back, and I say, oh, this is, this has got it all. [00:00:31] Jason Johnston: I grew up in Canada, and sometimes we would talk to people about the igloos that we lived in and having to check our dog sleds at the border and those kinds of things. Sometimes they believed us, sometimes they didn't. [00:00:44] Karen Watté: Yeah. [00:00:45] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:48] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:53] John Nash: we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation that we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great and some of it is, but there's still a lot that really isn't. So, Jason, how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:01:08] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:13] John Nash: I love that idea. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:16] Jason Johnston: I am really excited to be talking today with Karen Watté. She's the Senior Director of Course Development and Training at the Ecampus Oregon State University. Welcome, Karen. How are you? [00:01:28] Karen Watté: I'm good. Thank you. [00:01:29] Jason Johnston: We, connected at OLC, Online Learning Consortium conference as part of their leadership day that they do ahead of time, and it was very fortuitous, I think, because we had just come through this summer where everybody was scrambling around AI, trying to figure out what to do, and while we were, trying to come up with some ideas and so on all of a sudden Oregon State had a full-fledged website built out with resources and stuff like that. And we're like, this is amazing. Over here at University of Tennessee and it was really well done. So, we got chatting about that at OLC and then we got chatting about being on the podcast. So, thanks for joining us. Cause I'm really excited about talking with you today. [00:02:10] Karen Watté: Yeah. Thanks for inviting me. Glad to be here. [00:02:12] Jason Johnston: Tell us a little bit about what you do at Oregon State and your role there. [00:02:17] Karen Watté: Yeah, as you mentioned, I'm the Senior Director of Course Development and Training with eCampus, and at Oregon State, eCampus is a centralized distance education unit, so we're serving all of

In this episode, John and Jason talk about the ethics of AI, including how ethics are formed and a few scenarios like if it’s ethical to use Midjourney. Listen in to find out who says no! See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Article: Harvard Business Review Ethics in the Age of AI Series: Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3 Article: It's Not Like a Calculator, so What Is the Relationship between Learners and Generative Artificial Intelligence? Jason’s FAFSA Assistant GPT ”Right Choices: Ethics of AI in Education” - John hosts Jason in an episode of the School Leadership + Generative AI series John’s School Leader AI Bootcamp Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! Podcast Episode on AI Ethics - January 29, 2024 False Start [00:00:00] John Nash: Should we do the intro? [00:00:01] Jason Johnston: Yeah, let's do the intro. [00:00:03] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:06] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning Podcast. The Online Learning Podcast. Let's try it again. [00:00:12] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:14] Jason Johnston: That reminded me of do you ever watch The Office? My name is Kevin, because that's my name. My name is Kevin, because that's my name. So this is the Online Learning Podcast, the Online Learning Podcast. Episode [00:00:30] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:32] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:38] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but still a lot of it isn't. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:52] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. Why don't we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:56] John Nash: That's perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:59] Jason Johnston: John, I've got some ethical questions for you. [00:01:02] John Nash: You do? [00:01:03] Jason Johnston: I've been wondering about the ethics of using AI for certain tasks. And maybe we'll get back to some specifics later on. But how do we form our ethics to begin with when it comes to AI and using AI these days when we think about education? [00:01:19] John Nash: I'm stealing your line from the intro. That is a great question. How do we form our ethics? I think they're formed by the values and the beliefs we bring to anything we do. You've had a longer background and thinking and considering about ethics, both in your professional life and your education life. What do you think about in terms of what sensibilities people bring to any task? [00:01:45] Jason Johnston: Yeah, I think so. I like where you started there because sometimes people start externally. They think ethics are clear, right? We're not supposed to steal people's cars and we're not supposed to, kill people when we walk in front of them or whatever. And, but it's not that clear when it comes to certain things. Certainly we can follow the ethics of a country or a city or institution, AI is something new. We haven't dealt with some of these questions before. And because of that, it does take some ethical reasoning. I happened to talk to a number of PhD students taking an instructional systems design course. I was asked to come in by one of our previous guests, Dr. Anilda Romero Hall, and to talk about ethics in instructional design. And where I started with that was this question of what do we bring to the table? If we can understand what forms our et

In this episode, John and Jason close off the 2023 Johns Hopkins University Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium with a live podcast recording, summarizing the day’s sessions and interacting with the audience around 6 Pillars of Humanizing Online Learning in the Second Half. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: 6 Guideposts - Slide Deck (via Gamma.app) Johns Hopkins Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium Jana Lay-Hwa Bowden, Leonie Tickle & Kay Naumann (2021) The four pillars of tertiary student engagement and success: a holistic measurement approach, Studies in Higher Education, 46:6, 1207-1224, DOI: 10.1080/03075079.2019.1672647 Peabody Institute and their “Path to Funding” guide Advancing Diversity in AI Education and Research Symposium - Stanford Dr. Michelle Miller Substack - Teaching from the Same Side and the idea of “same-side pedagogy” Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! [00:00:00] Introducer: Welcome everyone. It's been a great day and we have. A very fun way that we're going to be ending today. So this is our final session. I appreciate everyone greatly for attending our inaugural excellence and online teaching symposium and we're going to be ending our session with a live recorded podcast. We have Jason Johnston and John Nash, go ahead and take it away whenever you are ready. [00:00:33] John Nash: Hi, I'm John Nash and I'm here with Jason Johnston [00:00:36] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:44] John Nash: Yeah, and we are doing this podcast to let you all in on a conversation we've been having and to let you be part of the conversation that we are having about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but there's still quite a ways to go. What are we going to do to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:01:05] Jason Johnston: That's a great question. How about we make a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:10] John Nash: That sounds great. What do you want to talk about? [00:01:13] Jason Johnston: Today I think it'd be great to continue our theme of how to humanize online learning in the second half and to do it with a number of our friends here. So today we want to not only do a podcast, but do a session here at the Johns Hopkins Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium, the first ever. Is this right, Olysha? We're on the first ever. [00:01:36] Olysha Magruder: That's correct. This is the inaugural symposium. So you're a part of the new wave. [00:01:43] Jason Johnston: We're so glad to be here. Thank you for the invitation. And this is exciting that we're here and we're doing a live session where we are recording. And we had the auspicious and difficult task of trying to bring a little summary to this day. It's been a good day, hasn't it, John? [00:02:01] John Nash: Yeah, it's been amazing. We've been in every session that we could attend. We split up and took some notes along the way about what the overarching themes were and where we see some opportunity, but we're so excited to see what you all think as well and what you took away. [00:02:17] Jason Johnston: Yeah, so here's how we are planning to proceed in the next little bit here. Our ideal as we were looking at the day is to try to give us some guidelines to talk about. We tried to pull a few quotes. We have a A little bit of an outline that will guide us, but first we thought we should probably introduce ourselves. John, you wanna go first? [00:02:41] John Nash: Yeah, sure. I'm John Nash. I am an assoc

In this episode, John and Jason have a “year in review” conversation with their podcast superfriends about why they podcast, the impact of artificial intelligence on education, the importance of human interaction in learning, and their collective efforts in forming a community of education podcasters. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too) Links and Resources: Amanda Bickerstaff AI In Education Year 1 Timeline (on LinkedIn) Course Stories, Season 4, Episode 2: The AI Whisperer: Faculty and Students on ChatGPT Dialogues Planet Money Podcast: Can ChatGPT write a podcast episode? Can AI take our jobs? Book Recommendation: A More Beautiful Question: The Power of Inquiry to Spark Breakthrough Ideas Request to join the Network of Education Podcasters on LinkedIn (active education podcasters only please!) ASU Academic Dishonesty Risk Reduction Guide ASU Online Eventbrite Webinars Here’s a link to our original Superfriends episode: https://www.onlinelearningpodcast.com/e/ep-10-podcast-super-friends-crossover-episode-at-olc-innovate-23/ Our Podcast Superfriends: Josh Reppun What School Could be https://whatschoolcouldbe.org/ Bio: ormer chef, hotel manager and history teacher, Josh Reppun is the founder of Plexus Education, LLC, dba as Most Likely to Succeed in Hawai’i, a “movement” founded by extraordinary people dedicated to developing global public, private and charter school conversations around Ted Dintersmith’s film, Most Likely to Succeed and his book, What School Could Be. Josh is also the founder of Josh Reppun Productions. He is the host of the What School Could Be Podcast and the producer of two films: Ka Helena Aʻo: The Learning Walk and The Innovation Playlist, both about creative, imaginative and innovative educators and education leaders. Josh’s podcast, edited by the talented Evan Kurohara, with music by Michael Sloan, has now reached nearly 80,000 downloads in over 100 countries. Course Stories (from EdPlus at ASU) https://teachonline.asu.edu/podcast/course-stories/ Mary Loder Mary Loder is an Online Learning Manager at EdPlus, supporting Faculty professional development and training along with managing special projects in a variety of disciplines. She is also co-creator and co-host of Course Stories, a podcast where an array of course design stories are told alongside other designers and faculty from Arizona State University. Ricardo Leon Ricardo Leon is a Media Developer Sr for EdPlus and is a co-creator and co-host of Course Stories. He has developed a number of other podcasts and various other forms of instructional media. Tom Pantazes ODLI On Air Tom Pantazes, Ed.D. is an Instructional Designer with the Teaching & Learning Center at West Chester University who loves helping instructors integrate technology and robust learning pedagogy. His research interests include digital instructional video, extended reality, content interactivity, and simulations. If he is not cheering on Philly sports teams, camping or building Legos, you can catch him as a cohost of the ODLI on Air podcast. Specific Episodes: Generative AI in teaching Ram Poll gauging student opinions Lee Skallerup Bessette on LinkedIn All the Things ADHD Podcast https://allthethingsadhd.com/ Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! EP 22 - Podcast Super Friends II Intro [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: Questions? Anyone? [00:00:02] John Nash: They're podcasters. They don't talk. [00:00:06] Ricardo Leon: We listen. [00:00:07] Mary Loder: That's right, intently. [00:00:09] Jason Johnston: That's right. It's going to be all questions, actually. The whole podcast is people a

In this episode, John and Jason talk about dangers and opportunities in the second half of online life, from their Online Learning Consortium (OLC) 2023 presentation and “live off the OLC floor” interviews. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: See slides from the full presentation here More about OLC here Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! False Start [00:00:00] John Nash: I took a class from a professional in San Francisco for voice acting. I thought I wanted to be a voice actor. So yeah, that [00:00:07] Jason Johnston: and here you are doing a podcast. You basically are a voice actor, except you happen to be acting like John [00:00:13] John Nash: Like John Nash, not like Barney the dinosaur, or doing my Louis Armstrong imitation or something like that. Start of Episode [00:00:20] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:23] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is online learning in the second half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:28] John Nash: Yeah. And we are doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two and a half years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great. And some of it is, but, a lot still isn't. And so how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:00:43] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:47] John Nash: That's perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:50] Jason Johnston: So John, would you call yourself a techno? optimist or a techno pessimist? Do you think we're, all of this is winding up into a better world? Or is technology taking us down this path of doomsday and destruction? [00:01:06] John Nash: If the left side is doomsday and destruction and the right side is optimism and happiness, I'm a cautious optimist. I'm, I think I'm a little bit to the right of a cautious optimist. I'm no Mark Andreessen who's recently come out with a tech manifesto suggesting that anybody who doesn't believe the bros in Silicon Valley can fix everything is crazy. I'm not like that at all. I do worry about my own critical thinking around technology and how it may be exacerbating environmental problems and social problems. Because I love playing with these tools so much, I think I'm clouded a little at times, but I'm, yeah , I'm right of center on if being right is optimistic I'm over there. [00:01:55] Jason Johnston: Yeah, I think I'm, find myself in the same space, not because I necessarily have a lot of optimism around technology. I do think it's pretty consumer driven and profit driven. And so that doesn't build in me a lot of optimism for its final outcome. However, I have an optimistic view of humanity, one that we typically work together towards our own survival when it comes down to it, and that there are a lot more good people in this world than bad people. And I think that maybe I'm an idealist and that I think the good will win out over, but not because I believe technology is going to save us by any means, but because there are a Usually enough good people that are helping to drive technology that I think we'll get to a better place. [00:02:46] John Nash: Yes. Yes, I think that's well put. I think I'm in the same space you are because we're both educators and we surround ourselves with other educators who are interested in applying the use of technology to help learners achieve their goals. I'm not on the side of thinking "the technology we need to have in place to save the world is that which puts billionaires in space." I'

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Olysha Magruder about the future of online education, a three-pronged approach to faculty development including JHU’s Coursera MOOC Course, and time boxing to help achieve successful outcomes. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Dr. Olysha Magruder is the Interim Assistant Dean in the Center for Learning Design at Johns Hopkins University and can be found here at LinkedIn Excellence in Online Teaching Coursera Course Johns Hopkins Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium Beth McMurtrie on Teaching: What happens to teaching after Covid? (Chronicle of Higher Ed Paywall) Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! False Start [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: Any other questions for us before we get rolling? We'll do our normal kind of intro here, and then we'll get into the conversation. [00:00:07] Olysha Magruder: No, no questions. I hope I don't sound too goofy, but... [00:00:10] John Nash: No, we like goofy. [00:00:11] Jason Johnston: Yeah, you'll fit right in! . We decided on the front end. We're just going to let it roll in that way. And I feel like john people have appreciated that [00:00:18] John Nash: I even laugh at our own dumb intros because it's just, but yeah, we're not too stiff about it, but we have a serious topic here, but yeah, we're still humans. Start of Episode [00:00:27] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:30] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is online learning in the second half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:35] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but a lot still isn't. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:49] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:54] John Nash: I agree. Let's do a podcast and talk about it right now. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:00] Jason Johnston: Wait, we are doing a podcast to talk about it. That's the weird thing about our intro. We're already doing a podcast [00:01:05] John Nash: Yeah. It's very meta. [00:01:07] Jason Johnston: a little meta that way. Yeah. Yeah today we are going to talk with Alicia Magruder. Dr. Alicia Magruder from John Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering. [00:01:22] Olysha Magruder: Hello, Alicia here. [00:01:25] Jason Johnston: Did I say all that right? [00:01:27] Olysha Magruder: tHere is one funny thing about the name of my university, which is it's named after somebody. who has a weird first name, and it's Johns. That was his name. It's very common to say John because it feels weird to say Johns, and in fact, when I originally applied for my position in my cover letter, I also said John. [00:01:47] Jason Johnston: Oh boy. [00:01:48] Olysha Magruder: I learned very quickly that, oops, it's a weird name, Johns Hopkins, but everything else, yes. [00:01:53] Jason Johnston: I'm glad you, you made it through that first that first test and they were kind to you, somebody not too long ago spelled Tennessee wrong on a cover letter, hard one to look over, easy to do though, easy to do, but also a little hard to look over sometimes. Yeah nice to have you here. So Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering. [00:02:14] Olysha Magruder: Yes, that's right. Whiting School of Engineering. [00:02:17] Jason Johnston: Yeah. And tell us about what you do there. [00:02:21] Olysha Magruder: So I am the interim assistant dea

In this episode, John and Jason engage in a discussion with Dr. Michelle Ament about the impact of AI on education, its role in reducing transactional tasks for educators, the significance of human intelligence and soft skills in an AI-driven world, how AI can be leveraged in professional development, and the potential future of AI-integrated, relationship-based classroom environments tailored to individual student needs. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com  Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Links and Resources: Dr. Michelle Ament is the Cheif Academic Officer at ProSolve Michelle Ament on LinkedIn Jason's AI 4 Language Translation Video An intro to the Zone of Proximal Development Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! False Start [00:00:00] Michelle Ament: Thank you for having me this morning. I'm so looking forward to this conversation.  [00:00:04] Jason Johnston: Yeah, and we just wanted to get started just to understand a little bit about you and your background, where you've come from. Currently, you're a chief academic officer. And John Deletes Jason's Notes [00:00:14] John Nash: Oh, I did that, didn't I? [00:00:16] Jason Johnston: John just deleted all my notes. [00:00:19] John Nash: No, I didn't. I moved my notes and put them below yours. [00:00:25] Jason Johnston: I'll try again. [00:00:28] John Nash: Podcasting at its best. [00:00:31] Michelle Ament: This is fun.  Start Intro [00:00:33] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:37] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:42] John Nash: Yes, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation that we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, Online learning's had its chance to be great, and a lot of it is, but there's still a bit that isn't. And how are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:58] Jason Johnston: And that's a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:03] John Nash: I love that. Perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:06] Jason Johnston: I would love to talk about online learning. How does that sound as a theme, overall theme, for our conversation today? But more specifically, I would love to talk with, we've got a guest with us, Dr. Michelle Ament. Welcome, Michelle. [00:01:21] Michelle Ament: Good morning. [00:01:23] Jason Johnston: How are you? [00:01:24] Michelle Ament: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me this morning. I'm so looking forward to this conversation. [00:01:30] Jason Johnston: We're really looking forward to having you with us. We just wanted to get started just to understand a little bit about you and your background, you're currently, the chief learning officer you've had a background in personalized learning technology and learning curriculum and design fifth grade teacher, one of my question for you today Michelle is how did you get to where you are today? [00:01:51] Michelle Ament: Great question. I think about why, where I, how I got to where I am today is I love the design of learning. So when I went into teaching, I was a classroom teacher. I've been in education 25 years. And like you said, I started in fifth grade and was an elementary teacher. And what I loved about teaching first was the daily interaction with kids, of course, but the design of learning. So it was all about, Yeah. learning, figuring out what learners needed, what were some of their strengths, what were some of their areas of growth, and then figuring out how to design really engaging learning. And so in the classroom, that's what fueled me every day. It was like a problem to solve. How could I design something that was really releva

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Brandeis Marshall about making online assignments Un-AIable, understanding data science, concerns & opportunities of using AI in the classroom, and the new digital AI divide. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com  Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Dr. Brandeis Marshall Links and Resources: Dr. Brandeis Marshall’s Website and LinkedIn What’s Un-AIable by Dr. Brandeis Marshall on Medium (Paywall) Book by Dr. Marshall - Data Conscience: Algorithmic Siege on our Humanity WaPo article on Harriet Tubman and Khan Academy and Dr. Marshall’s article how not to use AI Rebel Tech Newsletter Other Reading / Resources: These Women Tried to Warn Us About AI On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big? Dr. Brandeis Marshall Bio: Brandeis Marshall is Founder and CEO of DataedX Group, a data ethics learning and development agency for educators, scholars and practitioners to counteract automated oppression efforts with culturally-responsive instruction and strategies. Trained as a computer scientist and as a former college professor, Brandeis teaches, speaks and writes about the racial, gender, socioeconomic and socio-technical impact of data operations on technology and society. She wrote Data Conscience: Algorithmic Siege on our Humanity (Wiley, 2022) as a counter-argument reference for tech’s move fast and break things philosophy. She pinpoints, guides and recommends paths to moving slower and building more responsible human-centered AI approaches. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! Intro [00:00:00] Jason: Some banter on the front end. [00:00:02] Brandeis: Oh, I'm great at banter. [00:00:03] Jason: Oh, good. [00:00:04] Brandeis: I've been teaching for 23 years, so you have to have that conversation with the students before classes begin. [00:00:13] Jason: If you like banter, then you've come to the right place because This podcast is mostly banter [00:00:18] John: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:21] Jason: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:27] John: Yeah, and we are doing this podcast to let you all in on a conversation we've been having for the last two and a half years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but a lot of it still isn't. So how are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:43] Jason: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:47] John: I love that idea. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:50] Jason: um, to talk with you, of like usual, [00:00:53] John: That's overrated, but that's [00:00:54] Jason: but I would also love to talk to you. a very special guest with us, Dr. Brandeis Marshall. Welcome. [00:01:01] Brandeis: Thank you both for having me. [00:01:03] Jason: And is it okay if we call you Brandeis? [00:01:05] Brandeis: Yes, feel free to [00:01:06] Jason: Okay. Thank you. It's so great to have you here. And Brandeis, I'd love for you to introduce yourself, but just in, in general she's the founder, CEO of Data edX Group, a data ethics learning and development for educators. scholars and practitioners to counteract automated oppression efforts with culturally responsive instruction and strategies. Not only that, but she has a background in education. And we'd love to talk to you a little bit about that. What would you like to say about yourself here today? [00:01:40] Brandeis: listen. I am an educator, a data person. Like I think everyone is at this point in this age of AI and whatnot what, and what it isn't and what it is. And yeah, I'm also just, I just lead black women in data as well, which is really focused on increasing the number o

In this episode, John and Jason talk about current reading, recent seminars, and their upcoming OLC Accelerate Conference (2023) presentation in Washington, DC   Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: John’s Book Recommendations:The Renée Ballard series by Michael Connely Kay Scarpetta series by Patricia Cornwell The Whistler and The Judges List by John Grisham  How to Make Sense of Any Mess, by Abby Covert Jason’s Book Recommendation:Everything is Figureaboutable, by Marie Forleo John & Jason’s Slides from the University of Tennessee’s 1st AI Symposium “Reimagining online assignments with and because of AI” John’s Slides from Sweden where he talked about the promise of AI and whether it can democratize innovation or dilute quality.  OLC Session 1: EXPLORING THE IMPACT OF AI ON STUDENT CONNECTION AND BELONGING IN EDUCATION (Thursday, October 26, 2023 - 9:30 AM to 10:15 AM) OLC Session 2: ONLINE LEARNING IN THE SECOND HALF: TURNING DANGERS INTO OPPORTUNITIES (Thursday, October 26, 2023 - 1:15 PM to 2:00 PM) Contact John or Jason through LinkedIn if you are an educational podcaster and would like to join them in a recording session! Transcript  We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions!   
 [00:00:00] John Nash: Do you smile when you talk? Did you know when you smile while you talk, it actually makes you sound like you're like. 
 funny. It  
 works. 
 [00:00:06] Jason Johnston: that's what they, that's what they told us to do in telemarketing. 
 [00:00:09] John Nash: That's right. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. 
 [00:00:14] Jason Johnston: Now I'm laughing. I can't. Okay, I'll 
 try it again.  
 Intro 
 [00:00:19] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great and a lot of it is, but a lot of it still isn't. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? 
 [00:00:42] Jason Johnston: That's a great question. And I've got an idea. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? 
 [00:00:48] John Nash: I love that idea. Let's do it right now. 
 [00:00:50] Jason Johnston: good. Today, I wondered if we could talk just a little bit about the road behind, the road ahead, what we've been doing lately what we will be doing next, we've got some exciting events that we're doing together in the next little bit. 
 [00:01:03] John Nash: We do.  
 We do.  
 [00:01:04] Jason Johnston: First I was wondering about have you been reading anything these days, John? 
 [00:01:09] John Nash: I've been reading my usual kinds of journal articles and other things , but 2023 has been a little different for me in terms of the topic of reading because the funniest thing happened to me in January of this year. I started reading electively non academic. books, novels. And I don't know how it happened, but I just did. I was I was on a work trip to Honolulu and I found, I discovered that you can check out books from your public library and put them on your Kindle. 
 I didn't know about Libby, the app Libby. 
 [00:01:45] Jason Johnston: Libby's amazing. 
 [00:01:47] John Nash: Yeah, it's amazing. I'm running around my friend's house in Honolulu going, Hey, do you know you can do this? As if, just split the atom or something. And yeah. And so I've been reading I read a bunch of Michael Connolly novels. About a female detective in Los Angeles contemporary of Bosch's, and I liked those a lot, and now I'm on like book 12 of the novels about Kay Scarpetta, the fictional and famous Virginia chief medical examiner it's a longstanding series written by Patricia Cornwell.  
 [00:02:20] Jason Johnston: Is this like a secret desire to be a detective and solve crimes for a 
 [00

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Kristen DiCerbo about how Khamigo was born, how it works, and how it might help transform and humanize online learning.  Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: Kristen DiCerbo Check out the Khanmigo page Khan Academy / Canvas Instructure Press Release where they announce their partnershipVideo from Instructurecon More information about the ICAP Framework Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! 
 Pre-Banter 
 [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: Was Khanmigo able to join us on the call today? 
 [00:00:04] Kristen DiCerbo: Khanmigo right now does not have text to speech, so we'll not be on the podcast. 
 [00:00:09] Jason Johnston: All right, probably too busy. There's a lot of people to support out there. And they're a bit of a rock star. So they're probably at the White House or something  
 [00:00:17] Kristen DiCerbo: Most likely, yeah exactly. Some world leaders. Yes. 
 [00:00:20] Jason Johnston: Leaders guiding policy across G20 or something like that. 
 [00:00:25] Kristen DiCerbo: yeah, exactly. 
 Start 
 [00:00:26] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. 
 [00:00:29] Jason Johnston: Hey John. Hey everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast.  [00:00:34] John Nash: Yeah. We're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two and a half years about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but a lot of it still isn't. And so how are we going to get to the next stage?  
 [00:00:50] Jason Johnston: That's great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? 
 [00:00:54] John Nash: Perfect, what do you want to talk about today? 
 [00:00:58] Jason Johnston: Well, I'm very excited about our guest today. We're going to be talking with Dr. Kristin DeCerbo, the Chief Learning Officer at Khan Academy. Welcome Dr. How are you? 
 [00:01:11] Kristen DiCerbo: Good, good. And please call me Kristen. It's great to be here today. 
 [00:01:14] Jason Johnston: Well, it is great to have you here. And we just wanted to start off by just getting to know you just a little bit. Tell us a little bit about your current role at Khan Academy. 
 [00:01:25] Kristen DiCerbo: Yeah, so a chief learning officer can mean lots of different things and lots of different organizations. So, At Khan Academy, I lead our content team, our product management team, our design team, and our community support team. So most of what you see, on the Khan Academy site is built and created by a lot of the folks that are on my team. 
 And I do not lead the engineers, they're a whole 
 [00:01:51] Jason Johnston: Okay. That's good. 
 [00:01:52] Kristen DiCerbo: group, not them. But I come from an educational psychology background. So my PhD is in educational psychology, and so I don't have the traditional kind of product background that some educational technology folks who lead those kinds of teams do. 
 And instead, I bring a lot of, you know, experience and insight about how people learn. And we try to build that into then the articles, the exercises, the videos, and all of the experiences students have on the site.  
 [00:02:24] Jason Johnston: And so, you mentioned about your education, you've got a PhD in educational psychology. Is that what you said? 
 [00:02:30] Kristen DiCerbo: Yes. I actually thought when I went to grad school that I was going to be a school psychologist. And so did a research practitioner program where I was doing. All of the work and training to be a school psychologist and doing all of the work on how you diagnose learning difficulties and all of that and did a whole bunch of research and kind of fell in love with that side of things too. 
 But then did end up being a school psychol