At nine, Michael Ostrolenk refused a psychiatrist’s quick-fix, walked out, and followed a different map: guided imagery, biofeedback, meditation, and martial arts. That choice shaped everything. Years later, a brutal one-two of loss during an MBA program forced a pivot into transpersonal and somatic psychology, coaching, and a decade building programs with SEALFIT. In this conversation, Michael traces the line from a mislabeled “learning disabled” kid to a clinician and coach who helps people regulate their nervous systems, deepen relationships, and live with agency.
We talk about:
Why the industrial school model rewards compliance, and how unschooling or democratic free schools can cultivate curiosity.
When to consider sleep, nutrition, movement, family dynamics, and environment before reaching for Ritalin or Concerta, plus the limited, tactical role stimulants might play for adults.
AM and PM rituals that work: sleep hygiene, 5-7 breathing to calm, box breathing to focus, light movement, gratitude.
How somatic work unfreezes anger or sadness, and how to measure change using first, second, and third person feedback.
What mindfulness actually is: the trained witness that turns reactivity into choice.
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OUTLINE:
00:00 Introduction
01:43 Who Is Michael Ostrolenk?
04:45 Questioning Education and Early Struggles
08:47 Alternative Healing and Martial Arts at Age Nine
11:12 Rethinking Education for Children
17:07 Holistic Approaches for Parents
20:51 Parenting, Pressure, and the 80/20 Rule
23:34 Perspectives on Ritalin and Concerta
29:26 Creativity, School, and Medication
33:36 Origins of the Industrial Education System
42:02 Turning Point: From MBA to Psychology
47:06 Exploring Transpersonal Psychology
52:46 Psychedelics, Therapy, and Consciousness
54:07 Understanding Mind–Body Connection
01:00:06 Working With Couples and Emotions
01:11:59 Practical Habits for Sleep, Diet, and Movement
01:17:45 Breathing and Guided Meditation for Sleep
01:23:56 Morning Rituals and Preparation Practices
01:28:50 Tracking Progress and Measuring Change
01:33:59 Mindfulness vs. Consciousness
01:39:01 What Lack of Mindfulness Looks Like
01:45:40 Does Mindfulness Make Life More Frustrating?
01:48:09 Agreements, Relationships, and Appreciation
01:58:40 Final Thoughts
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This episode has been co-produced by Kate van Leeuwen.
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