In this episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt discuss the latest changes shaping how AI and search influence web effectiveness. They talk about Google’s removal of the “num=100” parameter, new findings from Growth Memo and Pew Research on zero-click behavior, and what these shifts mean for data collection, visibility, and user engagement.
The conversation explores how marketers can manage their brand’s AI visibility, measure performance in new ways, and prepare for the next phase of search-driven digital strategy.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes:
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Referenced Articles & Resources:
►77% of sites lost keyword visibility after Google removed num=100: Data
https://searchengineland.com/google-num100-impact-data-462231
►What Our AI Mode User Behavior Study Reveals about the Future of Search
https://www.growth-memo.com/p/what-our-ai-mode-user-behavior-study
►Google users are less likely to click on links when an AI summary appears in the results
►Who Is the GEO Coach?
https://signalandfriction.substack.com/p/who-is-the-geo-coach
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, hosts Bill Scully and Bill Hunt are joined by guests Nick LeRoy and Jason Kilgore for a candid panel discussion on The AI Easy Button Myth: Shortcut or Setback for SEO?
Building on Nick’s article Dear C-Suite: Stop Betting Your Future on the AI Shortcut, the conversation challenges the belief that AI can instantly replace people and processes in SEO. The group explores what leaders miss when they chase shortcuts, the risks of losing institutional knowledge, and how “race to the bottom” thinking erodes competitive advantage.
Together, they discuss how AI can be a powerful accelerator—but only when paired with human expertise, intuition, and strategic context. The episode also covers how to reframe the CEO conversation, measure AI’s real ROI, and protect long-term value in an era of rapid AI adoption.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/ai-easy-button-myth/
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Guests:
Nick LeRoy – Creator of the popular #SEOForLunch newsletter, read by thousands of marketers each week, and founder of SEOJobs.com and PPCJobs.com, two niche job boards serving the digital marketing community.
Jason Kilgore – Associate Director of SEO (Legal Division) at Internet Brands and Managing Member of Contractor Near You, LLC. With nearly 30 years of experience at companies like Dell, Apple, Thomson Reuters, and Internet Brands, Jason brings deep expertise in technology and content strategy. Recently, his team was a finalist in the 2024 Search Engine Land Awards for Best In-House SEO Initiative.
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Referenced Articles & Resources:
Dear C-Suite: Stop Betting Your Future on the AI Shortcut
https://www.seoforlunch.com/p/ai-shortcut
SEO in 2025 is a Team Sport
Bill Hunt’s series on Web Effectiveness in Search (Search Engine Journal)
https://www.searchenginejournal.com/author/bill-hunt/
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In this episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt dive into how AI is transforming SEO and changing the fundamentals of digital marketing. They explore why understanding user intent, adapting to shifting query dynamics, and taking a multidisciplinary approach are essential for success.
You'll hear how search engines are now applying multi-dimensional filters to assess content value. Bill and Bill explain why your content strategy needs to focus on semantic structure, early involvement in planning, and better collaboration across teams to stay competitive.
Whether you're in SEO, content, or digital strategy, this episode offers practical insights to help you improve indexing and strengthen your web presence in the age of AI.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/seo-age-of-ai-future-proof-search-strategies/
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The Google Indexing Purge Update
Stop Retrofitting. Start Commissioning: The New Role Of SEO In The Age Of AI
Why SEO’s Fundamentals Still Matter in the Age of AI
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In this episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt break down the choice between a multilingual SEO and multiregional SEO website strategy. Learn how different business models: e-commerce, marketplaces, local partners, or subsidiaries can impact your decision.
You'll learn how to align your website with your global strategy, from language translation and localization to dynamic personalization, compliance, and long-term web operations. They also discuss when a hybrid approach may make sense as your international presence expands.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/multinational-vs-multilingual-seo/
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Language-Only vs. Country-Specific Websites: The Strategic Decision Framework for Global Expansion
Multinational SEO vs. multilingual SEO: What’s the difference?
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In Episode 34, Bill Hunt and Bill Scully explore how U.S. manufacturers can turn global tariff instability into a strategic advantage—if they can be found online. They discuss why many American suppliers are “invisible” during a time of high demand, discuss procurement search behavior, and offer practical digital strategies to boost visibility and capture new business.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/us-manufacturers-tariff-opportunity/
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Invisible at the Worst Time: Why American Manufacturers Are Losing the Tariff Opportunity
Tariffs, Trade-offs & Search Strategy: Should You Buy American or Source Smarter Abroad?
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In this episode, Bill Hunt and Bill Scully take a closer look at the persistent challenges of geographic targeting in SEO. They examine why a correct hreflang may fail to deliver the intended results and how weak or conflicting geographic signals leave both businesses and search engines in a stalemate.
Drawing on real-world examples, they highlight how poor implementation, lack of ownership, and undervaluing geo-targeting hurt global visibility.
The discussion covers ccTLDs, IP detection, language variants, and the strategic importance of localized content and currency. With AI-driven search on the rise, they stress the need for strong, consistent signals and cross-team accountability to get geo-targeting right.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/episode-33-geolocation-signals-seo/
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In this episode, Bill Hunt and Bill Scully take a closer look at the risks of taking Google’s SEO advice or the headlines about it, at face value without understanding the full context. Using a recent discussion around hreflang tags and 301 redirects as a starting point, they explain how oversimplified interpretations can lead to flawed implementation, particularly during site migrations.
The conversation highlights the role of reciprocal hreflang tags, the complications introduced by redirects, and how false assumptions can throw off international SEO strategies.
They also dig into the ongoing confusion around structured data, AI-generated content, and the SEO community's habit of mistaking correlation for causation. If you’ve ever acted on advice without asking deeper questions, this episode is worth your time.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/risk-of-misreading-googles-advice/
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Google: Hreflang Tags With 301 Redirects Are Probably Okay by Barry Schwartz -
https://www.seroundtable.com/google-hreflang-301-redirects-39185.html
Google Again Says Structured Data Does Not Make Your Site Rank Better by Barry Schwartz -
https://www.seroundtable.com/google-structured-data-ranking-39232.html
When Context Gets Lost: The Risk of Misreading Google’s Advice by Bill Hunt - https://internationalwebmastery.com/blog/when-context-gets-lost-the-risk-of-misreading-googles-advice/
When a Simple Change Sparks Complex Assumptions: The Danger of Misreading Google’s Signals by Bill Hunt - https://internationalwebmastery.com/blog/when-a-simple-change-sparks-complex-assumptions-the-danger-of-misreading-googles-signals/
Google SOTR Podcast Recap – Duplicate Content by Bill Hunt -
https://internationalwebmastery.com/blog/google-sotr-podcast-recap-duplicate-content/
Understanding & Fixing Common Hreflang Errors Course -
https://learn.internationalwebmastery.com/courses/understanding-fixing-common-hreflang-errors
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In this episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt discuss the critical issue of AI Overview hallucinations—when artificial intelligence generates incorrect or completely fabricated information in search or chat results. They drill down into how these AI errors fundamentally undermine trust and credibility in digital content, creating significant risks for businesses of all sizes.
The conversation also leads to real-world examples of misinformation and the potential consequences for businesses, urging listeners to adopt a proactive approach to managing their online presence and ensuring the accuracy of their information.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
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Barry Schwartz Study: AI Search Engines Are Confidently Wrong Too Often:
https://www.seroundtable.com/ai-search-engines-wrong-39038.html
Implementing your Answers Management Strategy by Bill Hunt:
https://www.back-azimuth.com/implementing-your-answers-management-strategy/
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Soundbites from:
AI Search Has A Citation Problem By Klaudia Jaźwińska and Aisvarya Chandrasekar:
https://www.cjr.org/tow_center/we-compared-eight-ai-search-engines-theyre-all-bad-at-citing-news.php
AI Link Hallucinations: Are they harming your brand? by Dixon Jones
https://waikay.io/link-hallucinations/
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In this episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt discuss their experiences at the Google Search Central event in New York City. They discuss AI’s growing role in search, challenges with image indexing, and managing Google Business Profiles.
The episode also covers data inconsistencies across Google systems, the impact of hourly data on marketing, and the importance of content control in an AI-driven world. They highlight the fight against spam, the need for industry standards, and how marketers must adapt to evolving search trends.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/google-search-central-live-nyc-2025/
Google Search Central Meetup NYC 2025 by Bill Hunt
https://internationalwebmastery.com/blog/google-search-central-meetup-nyc-2025/
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In this podcast episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt dive into why every organization needs an Answers Management Program to deliver accurate, reliable responses across all digital channels.
They discuss the idea of a VP of Answers, a dedicated expert, championing answer management. Through real-life examples, they explore how AI is shaking up search results and share proven strategies to create an in-house answers program.
Plus, they reveal insider tips on picking the perfect candidate for the role and boosting teamwork across departments. Tune in for practical insights that’ll help your business stand out online!
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt break down the importance of involving digital teams to improve overall marketing campaign results.
They share practical ways to integrate search into offline (and online) marketing campaigns, focusing on research support, analytics, and tracking success. The conversation also touches on applying lessons from past campaigns to future strategies, highlighting the value of collaboration in digital marketing.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Hunt and Bill Scully discuss how SEO thrives through collaboration across teams. They explore creative ways to blend SEO into marketing campaigns, emphasize the importance of making the most of event marketing, and show how sharing data between teams can enhance web performance.
The conversation also addresses adapting to shifts in search technology, especially with AI on the rise, and stresses the need for a consistent, team-aligned approach to improve digital marketing outcomes.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes - https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/episode-27-integrating-seo-and-marketing-for-higher-conversion-rates/
Exploring the Impact of AIOs on Web Traffic by Adi Srikanth - https://engineering.terakeet.com/posts/aio-research-2/
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In this episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt dive into the messy, real-world challenge of weaving international SEO into an organization’s effectiveness. They chat about how teams need to stop working in isolation and start talking to each other—because when they don’t, things fall apart. Drawing from Adam Gent’s piece on Conway’s Law in SEO, they unpack how a company’s structure can make or break its digital game plan.
They also tackle the user experience side of things, stressing that it’s not just about keywords anymore—international quirks and cross-team teamwork matter just as much. From wrangling web effectiveness to making sure the development process doesn’t drop the ball, they argue for a shake-up in how SEO gets done. It’s about building bridges between people who don’t usually chat, getting everyone clued in, and pushing for workflows that actually work. Think less old-school SEO tunnel vision, more big-picture web wins.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/episode-26-why-isnt-international-seo-integrated-across-teams/
Conway's Law in SEO by Adam Gent - https://newsletter.theseosprint.com/p/conways-law-in-seo
Why is SEO not more integrated by Bill Hunt - https://www.back-azimuth.com/why-is-seo-not-more-integrated/
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In this episode, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt break down the hreflang x-default tag for international SEO. They explain what it does, common mistakes, and why using it correctly matters for global websites.
They talk about why you should create a country-language matrix, issues with x-default setup, and how to implement IP redirection and x-default.
They also discuss how Looker Reports can help spot hreflang problems and why a well-planned approach to x-default is key for different markets.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/episode-25-hreflang-x-default-explained-a-guide-for-international-seo/
Mastering HREFLang x-default -https://internationalwebmastery.com/blog/mastering-hreflang-x-default/
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt explore the evolving SEO landscape in 2025, emphasizing the need for cross-team collaboration. They discuss how integrating SEO into business operations and aligning it across departments drives long-term success.
Drawing insights from a recent SEMrush article on AI-driven search behavior, they examine shifting user intent and the need for SEO teams to adapt. The conversation covers aggregate KPIs, knowledge transfer, and training to embed SEO across teams.
They also highlight the role of SEO in engineering, product launches, and digital experiences, stressing that it’s no longer just a technical task but a company-wide strategy for sustainable growth.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
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Brenna Kelly. - https://www.semrush.com/blog/chatgpt-search-insights/
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt explore the essential questions CEOs should be asking their digital teams to drive business success. They discuss the importance of aligning digital strategies with overall business goals, the role of SEO in reducing costs and increasing efficiency, and why traffic alone doesn’t equate to revenue.
The conversation highlights key performance indicators (KPIs) that CEOs need to understand, the impact of search on cross-functional collaboration, and how leadership can foster a results-driven digital marketing approach.
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Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Bill Hunt's article 'Beyond Marketing: The Startup CEO’s Guide to Making SEO Everyone’s KPI'https://www.back-azimuth.com/beyond-marketing-the-startup-ceos-guide-to-making-seo-everyones-kpi/
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Hunt and Bill Scully discuss strategies for market site consolidations and website migrations. They cover the impact on SEO, managing language and content across markets, and operational considerations. The conversation also touches on URL management, evaluating web assets, and the implications of template changes on SEO performance.
They further explore managing redirects during migrations, stressing the importance of planning, monitoring, and testing to prevent issues like broken links and traffic loss. The discussion includes tools and strategies for redirect management, understanding where redirects are implemented, and post-migration monitoring. Data analysis is highlighted as crucial for optimizing redirects and ensuring key URLs are addressed during the process.____________________________________________
► IBM Overview of reason on Twitter - https://x.com/bryanfcasey/status/1659941975519375360?prefetchTimestamp=1737563088115&mx=2 ► Britney Muller's AI Course - Actionable AI for Marketers - https://maven.com/britney-muller/actionable-ai-for-marketers
► Noah Learner - Branch Tools GSC Data Management Solution - https://branch.tools/
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Hunt and Bill Scully discuss the critical need for search marketing representation at the C-suite level.
They explore the reasons behind the lack of representation, the strategic value of digital marketing, and how search professionals can align their efforts with broader business goals.
The conversation emphasizes the importance of demonstrating the financial impact of search initiatives and earning a seat at the table through strategic contributions.____________________________________________
Bill Hunt's article: "Why Does Search Still Not Have C-Suite Exposure?" ►https://www.back-azimuth.com/why-does-search-not-have-c-suite-exposure/
Jason Kilgore's LinkedIn post:
"Search Needs a C-Seat at the C-Suite"► https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7279522217158131712/____________________________________________
Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/episode-21-why-does-digital-marketing-still-not-have-c-suite-representation/
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt share their takeaways from the recent Google Search Off the Record Podcast. They break down important topics like managing duplicate content, tackling localization challenges, and using hreflang correctly.
The discussion covers how Google handles crawling and rendering, the concept of the localization iceberg, and common struggles e-commerce sites face with duplicate pages. They also highlight future hreflang updates, explain common x-default mistakes, and offer practical tips for keeping SEO strategies on track.____________________________________________Google's Search Off the Record Podcast: https://search-off-the-record.libsyn.com/handling-dupes-same-same-or-different
Google's Search Off the Record Podcast Speakers:
John Mueller
Martin Splitt
Allan Scott____________________________________________
Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
Full show notes: https://internationalwebmastery.com/international-web-effectiveness-podcast/episode-20-duplicate-content-and-canonicals/
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In this episode of the International Web Effectiveness Podcast, Bill Scully and Bill Hunt tackle the challenges of implementing hreflang and why it’s essential for managing global websites.
They explore common problems when hreflang doesn’t work as expected, highlighting the role of query intent in influencing search rankings.
The discussion focuses on practical tips for using hreflang effectively, especially during site launches and content updates, to maximize visibility and search performance.
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Full article with examples: Why Your Perfect Hreflang Is Not Working
https://www.back-azimuth.com/why-your-perfectly-implemented-hreflang-is-not-working/
News Article: Exploit reveals how and why Google ranks content
https://searchengineland.com/google-exploit-scoring-classifications-449333
Ryan Jones’ https://serprecon.com/___________________________________________
Hosts: Bill Hunt and Bill Scully
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