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Coffee & Conversion

Clay Vaughan & Luke Frazier

18 episodes

6 days ago

What do airplane coffee and corporate logos have in common? Both might leave a bad taste if you're not paying attention. In this episode, Clay and Luke challenge one of branding’s sacred cows: the logo. Are logos completely dead? Not quite. But in an AI-saturated world where customers search by problem, not by brand, your logo is no longer your lead engine. From bad airport lattes to rebranding gone wrong, they unpack why experience is the new differentiator and how to actually stand out with...

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What do airplane coffee and corporate logos have in common? Both might leave a bad taste if you're not paying attention. In this episode, Clay and Luke challenge one of branding’s sacred cows: the logo. Are logos completely dead? Not quite. But in an AI-saturated world where customers search by problem, not by brand, your logo is no longer your lead engine. From bad airport lattes to rebranding gone wrong, they unpack why experience is the new differentiator and how to actually stand out with...

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Entrepreneurship

Episodes (18/18)

Coffee & Conversion

Your Logo Doesn’t Matter (At Least Not How You Think)

What do airplane coffee and corporate logos have in common? Both might leave a bad taste if you're not paying attention. In this episode, Clay and Luke challenge one of branding’s sacred cows: the logo. Are logos completely dead? Not quite. But in an AI-saturated world where customers search by problem, not by brand, your logo is no longer your lead engine. From bad airport lattes to rebranding gone wrong, they unpack why experience is the new differentiator and how to actually stand out with...

6 days ago

13 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Hospitality as a Service: The Secret to Standing Out in an AI World

Coffee may aerosolize on your tongue (science says so), but great business leaves a lasting impression on the heart. In this episode, Clay and Luke unpack the concept of Unreasonable Hospitality and why it’s not just for Michelin-star restaurants. From hot dog plating at fine dining spots to sending dog toys and bourbon to clients, they reveal how small acts of care can radically change how you sell, serve, and scale. In a world where everything is automated, your human touch might be the bes...

1 week ago

17 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

How to Rank in ChatGPT (Even if You Don’t Rank on Google)

What do Ottoman divorce laws and AI ranking have in common? More than you'd think. In this episode, Clay and Luke tackle a question few marketers are asking but everyone should be: how do you get your brand to show up in tools like ChatGPT? Spoiler alert: it’s not about stuffing keywords. It’s about proving you’re the real deal. From white papers and press releases to avoiding SEO-killing content, they break down how one client with zero SEO history is ranking in AI... and why showing your wo...

2 weeks ago

12 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Can StoryBrand and SEO Work Together? Here's the Truth

Some say sugar doesn’t belong in coffee. Others say StoryBrand doesn’t belong in SEO. In this episode, Clay and Luke challenge both claims and stir up the sweet spot where messaging clarity meets search engine performance. If you’ve ever felt stuck between writing for Google or writing for humans, this one’s for you. From schema to storytelling, they reveal how to blend strategy and substance without confusing your audience or tanking your rankings. Grab a mug and get ready to rethink how con...

3 weeks ago

15 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Why Sending People to Your Homepage Is Killing Conversions

That cappuccino you made at home? Great idea. Sending traffic to your homepage? Not so much. In this episode, Clay and Luke dig into one of the biggest (and most overlooked) mistakes business owners make: treating the homepage like a catch-all. From micro coffee shops to micro-moments in user experience, they break down why your service pages matter more than ever and how AI and search behavior are reshaping where conversions actually happen. It’s time to stop pouring good traffic into a leak...

1 month ago

12 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

How Much Should You Really Spend on Marketing? Here's the Math (and the Mindset)

Luke and Clay kick off this espresso-fueled episode with a hot take on Blue Bottle Coffee and then dive straight into something even more controversial: your marketing budget. If you’ve ever asked, “How much should I actually spend on marketing?” or felt like tossing your dollars into Meta’s black hole, this episode is your sanity-saving guide. From defining what counts as “marketing” to rethinking it as an investment, not a gamble, they unpack how to build a revenue engine that doesn’t burn ...

1 month ago

16 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

What Our Podcast Analytics Taught Us About Content That Converts

We're back for Season 2 of Coffee & Conversion, and this time we’re spilling the data. Clay Vaughan and Luke Frazier break down what worked (and what flopped) from last season, sharing real numbers, viewer habits, and why Colombian coffee might just be winning at branding. It’s a behind-the-scenes look at content strategy, podcast growth, and how to use analytics to brew something better next time. Where our top traffic actually came from and it wasn’t where we expected ☕️ The surprising...

1 month ago

17 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Binge-Worthy Marketing: How to Turn Your Content into a Revenue Engine

We all have our caffeine limits—but content marketing has no ceiling. In this Coffee & Conversion episode, Clay and Luke reveal how smart, engaging content elevates your brand from “so-so” to “must-follow.” Discover why mini-docs or even Netflix-style storytelling could be your ticket to capturing hearts and generating real leads. Whether you’re a scrappy startup or a multimillion-dollar enterprise, learn how to plan, produce, and promote content that keeps audiences hooked. Brew a cup...

6 months ago

12 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

3 Marketing Metrics That Actually Matter (Forget Vanity Stats!)

Most fruits and veggies can’t beat coffee’s antioxidant punch—and most vanity metrics can’t beat the power of tracking real conversions. In this Coffee & Conversion episode, Clay and Luke reveal the 3 key numbers that show if your marketing is truly profitable: your click-through rate, your conversion rate, and your lead-to-close ratio. Skip the fluff of “impressions” and “likes,” and zero in on the metrics that mean actual revenue. Brew up a cup and find out: Which 2% vs. 70% ratio sums...

6 months ago

10 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

LinkedIn for B2B: More Than Just a Digital Résumé

Did you know coffee packs more antioxidants than most fruits and veggies? Just like that surprising fact, LinkedIn has way more to offer your B2B strategy than a simple résumé dump. In this episode of Coffee & Conversion, Clay and Luke break down how LinkedIn has become the go-to place for building authentic business relationships—and why it’s easier than ever to connect with ready-to-buy decision makers, even if you’re not a “social media” person. Listen in to learn: How to optimize yo...

6 months ago

12 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

When to Hire Your First Sales Rep (And Why Timing Is Everything)

Ever debate when your kids should start drinking coffee? (Spoiler: maybe never!) It’s all about right timing—just like hiring your first salesperson. In this Coffee & Conversion episode, Clay and Luke talk about how waiting too long or jumping in too soon can set you up for a costly miss. Learn the telltale signs you’re ready for a dedicated sales pro, the infrastructure you must have in place first, and how your marketing needs to align if you expect this new hire to truly perform. Tune...

7 months ago

12 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

StoryBrand & AI: Building a Clear Message (Without Losing Your Voice)

Did you know coffee was banned multiple times in the 17th century? Luckily, we’re free to sip away—and now we’re also free to let AI tools help us refine our brand messaging. In this Coffee & Conversion episode, Clay and Luke tackle StoryBrand AI: what it is, how it can jumpstart your messaging if you’re on a tighter budget, and why true clarity still needs a human touch. If you’re serious about marketing your business with a rock-solid foundation, you’ll want to hear their takes on mixin...

7 months ago

11 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Why Newsletters Are Dead…Unless You Do This

Cappuccino sizes. Email newsletters. What do they have in common? They’re often done wrong! In this Coffee & Conversion episode, Clay and Luke serve up a fiery take on why the old-school “one-size-fits-all” newsletter rarely converts—and what to do instead. From evergreen nurture campaigns to sharing relevant insights (not corporate fluff), learn how email should be your steady, high-ROI channel for building true relationships. Brew a cup and tune in to discover: Why typical newsletters ...

7 months ago

11 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Will AI Kill SEO? Not So Fast—Here’s How to Adapt

You’ve heard the rumors: “AI is coming for search—SEO is doomed!” In this Coffee & Conversion episode, Clay and Luke debunk the hype, explaining how AI won’t kill SEO but will absolutely reshape it. Learn why AI still needs quality content, how to pivot away from keyword stuffing, and why you should use tools like ChatGPT not just to generate posts, but to better understand your customers’ language. Tune in and hear: The new rules for ranking high in an AI-driven search environmentWhy u...

7 months ago

10 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Paid vs. Organic: Which One Actually Grows Your Business Faster?

Turns out organic coffee can last 100 years—and saves the planet a little while it’s at it. But does organic marketing (like SEO) or paid advertising have the same staying power for your brand? In this episode of Coffee & Conversion, Clay and Luke compare these two approaches, showing why simply “renting” traffic with paid ads can’t beat the long-term rewards of organically owning your space. They’ll unpack real-world examples, break down how to tell if you’re ready for SEO, and share the...

7 months ago

16 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

Why “Advertising Alone” Can Kill Your Growth

Did you know drinking coffee the second you wake up can wreck your productivity? In the same way, pouring all your resources into one single channel—like ads—can sabotage your ROI. This week on Coffee & Conversion, Clay and Luke dive into why “advertising alone” (Instagram, Google, LinkedIn—doesn’t matter) never solves your marketing woes if your messaging and funnel aren’t ready. You’ll hear eye-opening examples of how one-channel thinking wastes money, plus best practices for finding ...

8 months ago

17 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

RevOps 101: How to Streamline Your Pipeline & Boost Revenue

Did you know it can take up to four years for a coffee plant to produce its first bean—yet those plants can live for a century? Likewise, good revenue operations (RevOps) may take some time to set up, but the payoff can last for years. In this episode of Coffee & Conversion, Clay and Luke dive into the fundamentals of RevOps—why it’s more than just tools and software, how to unify your marketing and sales, and what you can do right now to plug those lead leaks in your pipeline. They’ll ...

8 months ago

14 minutes

Coffee & Conversion

How to Fix the #1 Marketing Mistake Confusing Your Customers

Coffee is the world’s most traded commodity (next to oil and gas)—but does your brand message carry the same “weight”? In this very first Coffee & Conversion episode, Clay and Luke serve up a quick coffee fact before diving into the biggest reason so many businesses lose deals: inconsistent messaging. From Clay’s awkward Chamber of Commerce pitch that landed zero new clients, to Luke’s insight on why talking solely about yourself kills trust, this episode reveals why your marketing and sa...

8 months ago

13 minutes