In this episode, we continue our conversation with Altamush Saeed, an interspecies justice lawyer, educator, and nonprofit leader exploring how Pakistan prepares for and responds to crises. Altamush challenges the idea of ‘natural’ disasters, arguing they’re human-driven failures of planning and policy, especially for more-than-just-human animals who are too often left out.
From live flood-response and emergency veterinary aid to courtroom advocacy, Altamush shows what it looks like to centre animals, people, and the environment together.He reflects on how trauma, climate change, and compassion intersect, and why “One Health” must evolve into One Health and animal-inclusive social justice so the balance doesn’t default to humans alone.
Drawing on Islamic principles of mercy and stewardship, he connects factory farming to climate risk, public health, and environmental injustice, and explains how training Imams to address animals and the environment in Friday sermons is catalysing grassroots change across communities.
Along the way, Altamush discusses his ongoing case concerning a Himalayan brown bear named Hope; efforts to add animals to disaster law and policy, and movement-building through education: from animal and environmental law to food-systems teaching that links what we eat to climate resilience. This is a powerful conversation about preparedness, prevention, and reimagining justice so every species has a place in our future.
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Name: Altamush Saeed LLMemail: earcpak@gmail.com
Environmental and Animal Rights Consultants Pakistan.
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Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
In this episode, we sit down with Altamush Saeed, an interspecies justice lawyer, educator, and nonprofit leader who is reshaping how Pakistan thinks about animals, people, and the environment. From being rescued by a cat named Mau, to leading community dog feeding campaigns during COVID, to organising large-scale rescues during Pakistan’s 2022 floods, Altamush’s story shows how deeply human and animal lives are intertwined in times of crisis.He reflects on how trauma, climate change, and compassion intersect, and why he believes food systems, human rights, and animal rights must be understood together. Drawing on his faith, Altamush explains why factory farming is impermissible under Islamic principles of mercy and stewardship, and shares how training Imams to deliver Friday sermons on animals and the environment is sparking grassroots change across communities.Along the way, he discusses founding Pakistan’s first disaster-zone farm animal shelter, creating the country’s first Animal Law course, and building a broader vision of interspecies justice that moves beyond cats and dogs to include all beings. This is a powerful conversation about resilience, responsibility, and reimagining justice for a more compassionate future.Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!
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Podlet Guest
Name: Altamush Saeed LLM
email: earcpak@gmail.comchaltamushsaeed@gmail.comaltamush@charitydoings.org
PodCrew
Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
In this follow‑up episode, veterinary surgeon Dr Elizabeth Ormerod BVMS, Chair of the Society for Companion Animal Studies (SCAS), returns to explore two additional pillars of her four‑decade career: campaigning for companion-animal‑inclusive housing and creating one of the UK’s first companion-animal‑loss support programmes within general practice.Dr Ormerod explains how grass‑roots advocacy in Fleetwood challenged local “no‑pets” policies and sparked a wider conversation about companion animals in social housing, eventually leading to national debate. We also look at her bond‑centred approach to end‑of‑life care, growth charts, early behaviour counselling, and multidisciplinary bereavement teams designed to support both clients and veterinary staff.Along the way Dr Ormerod discusses strategies for preventing compassion fatigue, the importance of community networks, and why affordable, flexible payment schemes remain crucial as corporate vet ownership expands.
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Dr Elizabeth Ormerod
https://www.scas.org.uk/about/governance-and-staff/elizabeth-ormerod/
PodCrew
Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
In this episode, we speak with Dr Elizabeth Ormerod BVMS, veterinary surgeon and chair of the Society for Companion Animal Studies (SCAS). Dr Ormerod discusses her long-standing work integrating veterinary practice with social care, animal welfare education, and community-based programs.
Liz outlines her development of animal-assisted services across education, healthcare, and prison settings, and reflects on efforts to promote pet-inclusive housing in the UK, along with the systemic and cultural barriers that often make this difficult.
Drawing on her experience running a practice in Fleetwood, she explains how bond-centred veterinary models can support both animal welfare and client wellbeing, particularly in communities facing social or economic challenges.
We also discuss the practical realities of veterinary outreach in underserved areas, as well as the financial pressures many clients face. Dr Ormerod describes her use of pro bono work and flexible payment strategies to ensure animals receive necessary care, and reflects on how the rise of corporate veterinary models may affect affordability and access.
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Podlet Guest
Dr Elizabeth Ormerod
https://www.scas.org.uk/about/governance-and-staff/elizabeth-ormerod/
PodCrew
Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
Ep 42 - More-Than-Human Worlding: Analysis and Exploration of Farm Animal Sanctuaries, World-Building and Speculative Design, with Dr Madi Mañetto Quick, Part 2.
In episode 42 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we join Dr. Madi Mañetto Quick, for the second part of a discussion on her PhD research which explored the narratives of farmed animals, focusing on farms and sanctuaries. In this episode Madi discusses her PhD research on speculative design in the context of farm animal sanctuaries and farms. She explained her use of a speculative co-design workshop that included humans, animals, and land, aiming to equalise beings in sanctuaries or farms. Despite not conducting pilot workshops, she explored imaginative scenarios with her supervisors. Her work emphasises multi-species design, highlighting human-animal relationships and the impact of design on non-human animals. She also touched on the challenges of captive freedom in sanctuaries and the complexities of balancing animal freedom with human convenience. Future aspirations include collaborative research in anthrozoology.
Podlet Guest
Dr Madi Mañetto Quick
https://orcid.org/0009-0004-9859-0682
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Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
References:
Donna J. Haraway, 2016, Staying with the Trouble: Making Kin in the Chthulucene.Elan Abrell, 2016, Saving Animals: Multispecies Ecologies of Rescue & Care.Anthony Dunne & Fiona Raby, 2013, Speculative Everything: Design, Fiction, and Social Dreaming.
Mañetto Quick, M. (2024). Worlding Sanctuary: Multispecies design ethnography on a farm animal sanctuary in Aotearoa. Ethnographic Edge, 7(1), 5-20. https://doi.org/10.24135/ee.v7i1.271
Mañetto Quick, M., Caudwell, C., & Horrocks, D. (2024). Land/Scape Portrayals in Farm and Farm Animal Sanctuary Memoirs. M/C Journal, 27(5). https://doi.org/10.5204/mcj.3090 (Original work published October 13, 2024)
More-Than-Human Worlding: Analysis and Exploration of Farm Animal Sanctuaries, World-Building and Speculative Design, with Dr Madi Mañetto Quick, Part 1.
In episode 41 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we join Dr. Madi Mañetto Quick , for part one of two on a discussion on her PhD research which explored the narratives of farmed animals, focusing on farms and sanctuaries. In this episode Madi discusses how she explored the interpretive framework of equalising human and non-human characters in stories. Madi emphasises a non-black-and-white approach and “stays with the trouble” in conversations around vegetarianism, veganism and livestock farming. She introduced the concept of "necro care," where killing animals is seen as an act of care in sanctuaries. Madi also highlighted the importance of including global perspectives and visual analysis in future research. Her thematic analysis revealed themes on land depiction, killing methods, and individual vs. mass animal portrayals.
Podlet Guest
Dr Madi Mañetto Quick
https://orcid.org/0009-0004-9859-0682
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Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
References:
Donna J. Haraway, 2016, Staying with the Trouble: Making Kin in the Chthulucene.Elan Abrell, 2016, Saving Animals: Multispecies Ecologies of Rescue & Care.Anthony Dunne & Fiona Raby, 2013, Speculative Everything: Design, Fiction, and Social Dreaming.
Mañetto Quick, M. (2024). Worlding Sanctuary: Multispecies design ethnography on a farm animal sanctuary in Aotearoa. Ethnographic Edge, 7(1), 5-20. https://doi.org/10.24135/ee.v7i1.271
Mañetto Quick, M., Caudwell, C., & Horrocks, D. (2024). Land/Scape Portrayals in Farm and Farm Animal Sanctuary Memoirs. M/C Journal, 27(5). https://doi.org/10.5204/mcj.3090 (Original work published October 13, 2024)
In episode 40 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we continue our conversation with, Dr. Irina Frazin discusses the challenges faced by NGOs in Romania, including difficulties in building trust and networks, and the complexities of legal obligations for cat microchipping and the issue of ear tipping for sterilised cats. Irina shares her experience with a severely injured cat who transforms from a non-social cat to a loving companion. She also addresses the problem of community cat abandonment and the need for better support networks for companion animal guardians. The conversation touches on the historical association of cats with the feminine and the evolution of the "crazy cat lady" trope. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!
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Dr.Kris Hill
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Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
sh750@exeter.ac.uk
Podlet Guest
Dr Irina Frasin
irina.anthrozoology@gmail.com
https://anthrozoology.acadiasi.org/en/home/
References
Frasin, I “Of Cats and Women: A Cultural History of a Relationship” in Anthrozoology Studies: Animal Life and Human Culture, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu, Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2022), pp. 158–182. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3343.pdf Frasin I. “Cat Sanctuary. Co-existence with community cats” in Anthrozoology studies. Non-Human Animals in Open Societies, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2023) pp. 112 -146. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3839.pdf Frasin I. “Portraits for community cats - the story of a more-than-human relationship” Multispecies Communities and Narratives, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2024) pp. 161-184. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/4365.pdf Frasin I. “Co-existence with community cats” Colloquium Series by Animals and Society Institute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb2hHVZg-_I&list=PL3vTRlNA7pSmLDrnXV83_C5YuhT5YPam4&index=2
In episode 39 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we join Dr. Irina Frazin, for part one of two on a discussion on Romanian Feline Lives. Irina is a researcher at the Institute of Social and Economic Research, who discusses her journey from classical studies to anthrozoology, sparked by adopting her cat Bubus 15 years ago. Irina highlights the challenges of translating human-animal studies terminology into Romanian and the success of the Anthrozoology Symposium, which initially attracted more international than local participants. Irina also details her efforts to establish an anthrozoology course at the University of Iasi, despite several challenges, and emphasises the importance of fostering programs for cats in Romanian shelters. She notes the need for better education and collaboration among NGOs to improve animal welfare.
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Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
sh750@exeter.ac.uk
Podlet Guest
Dr Irina Frasin
irina.anthrozoology@gmail.com
https://anthrozoology.acadiasi.org/en/home/
References
Frasin, I “Of Cats and Women: A Cultural History of a Relationship” in Anthrozoology Studies: Animal Life and Human Culture, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu, Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2022), pp. 158–182. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3343.pdf Frasin I. “Cat Sanctuary. Co-existence with community cats” in Anthrozoology studies. Non-Human Animals in Open Societies, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2023) pp. 112 -146. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3839.pdf Frasin I. “Portraits for community cats - the story of a more-than-human relationship” Multispecies Communities and Narratives, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2024) pp. 161-184. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/4365.pdf Frasin I. “Co-existence with community cats” Colloquium Series by Animals and Society Institute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb2hHVZg-_I&list=PL3vTRlNA7pSmLDrnXV83_C5YuhT5YPam4&index=2
Welcome to Episode 38 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we continue exploring Alisa Rubinstien’s research on the intersection of humans, companion-animals and fat. Alisa is the AIP2023/AASA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&t=2020s) Pre-PhD Presentation Award winner for her work titled “Fattening” One Health: An Interspecies Approach to Dismantling the “Obesity Epidemic.” With over ten years of experience in various animal care settings, she recently earned her Master’s in Anthrozoology from Canisius University. Currently, Alisa serves as the Lifesaving Manager at a shelter in Philadelphia, focusing on adoption, foster, and volunteer programs. Her academic interests intersect ecofeminism and critical animal studies, particularly exploring how perceptions of animals relate to marginalised humans. Her thesis investigated the roles cats play in the lives of queer women and non-binary individuals. In the second part of their conversation, hosts Kris, Sarah, and Michelle continue their dialogue with Alisa, who discusses potential future research directions, emphasising the need for a better understanding of how societal perceptions can influence the health outcomes of both humans and animals. The discussion also highlights her fascinating thesis on the relationships between queer women and their cats, showcasing how these unique bonds challenge societal narratives. As the episode concludes, Alisa highlights the critical need for compassion and dignity in healthcare, advocating for a One Welfare approach that benefits all beings. This engaging conversation encourages listeners to rethink conventional beliefs about health, weight, and the integral connections we share with animals. In a future episode we talk to another AIP2023 awardee, Dr. Madelena Mañetto Quick, who recently graduated from Te Herenga Waka – Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand. You can learn more about the Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) student conference here https://anthrozoologyconference.com/ Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod Podlet Guest Alisa Rubinstein Email: alisar3497@gmail.com Websites: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alisar01/ PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com/ References Pearl RL, Wadden TA, Bach C, Leonard SM, Michel KE. (2020). Who's a good boy? Effects of dog and owner body weight on veterinarian perceptions and treatment recommendations. International Journal of Obesity, 44(12): 2455-2464. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7686094/ Cats (and their Dykes): An Anthology. Edited by Irene Reti and Shoney Sien. C. (1991). McNaughton and Gunn: https://escholarship.org/content/qt4wn4458v/supp/CATS.pdf Maintenance Phase (Podcast). Wellness and weight loss, debunked and decoded: https://www.maintenancephase.com/ Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@aipconference/playlists Alisa’s AIP2021 presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&list=PL-78-9WPsOo8f8kCP8j96FENDLHvkVv1K&index=4 Read more about AIP and register here (before 17 November 2024): https://anthrozoologyconference.com/companion animals
Welcome to Episode 37 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we explore Alisa Rubinstien’s research on the intersection of humans, companion-animals and fat. Alisa is the AIP2023/AASA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&t=2020s) Pre-PhD Presentation Award winner for her work titled “Fattening” One Health: An Interspecies Approach to Dismantling the “Obesity Epidemic.” With over ten years of experience in various animal care settings, she recently earned her Master’s in Anthrozoology from Canisius University. Currently, Alisa serves as the Lifesaving Manager at a shelter in Philadelphia, focusing on adoption, foster, and volunteer programs. Her academic interests intersect ecofeminism and critical animal studies, particularly exploring how perceptions of animals relate to marginalised humans. Her thesis investigated the roles cats play in the lives of queer women and non-binary individuals.
NB In a future episode we talk to another AIP2023 awardee, Dr. Madelena Mañetto Quick, who recently graduated from Te Herenga Waka – Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand. You can learn more about the Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) student conference here https://anthrozoologyconference.com/
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Podlet Guest
Alisa Rubinstein
Email: alisar3497@gmail.com
Websites: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alisar01/
PodCrew
Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
www.kissingsharks.com/
References
Pearl RL, Wadden TA, Bach C, Leonard SM, Michel KE. (2020). Who's a good boy? Effects of dog and owner body weight on veterinarian perceptions and treatment recommendations. International Journal of Obesity, 44(12): 2455-2464.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7686094/
Cats (and their Dykes): An Anthology. Edited by Irene Reti and Shoney Sien. C. (1991). McNaughton and Gunn: https://escholarship.org/content/qt4wn4458v/supp/CATS.pdf
Maintenance Phase (Podcast). Wellness and weight loss, debunked and decoded:
https://www.maintenancephase.com/
Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@aipconference/playlists
Alisa’s AIP2021 presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&list=PL-78-9WPsOo8f8kCP8j96FENDLHvkVv1K&index=4
Ep 36 - Anthrozoological Insights with Dr Aubrey Fine, pt 2/2.
Welcome to Episode 36 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we explore companion-animal - human connections, psychology, and interventions with renowned psychologist and anthrozoologist, Dr Aubrey Fine. Dr. Fine shares his career inspiration, challenges, and research interests in companion-animal-assisted therapy. He recounts his personal journey from a fear of companion-animals to working with them in therapy, combining clinical work, writing, and research in companion-animal-assisted interventions since the mid-1960s. Dr. Fine discusses using animals for therapy and communication with children, highlighting the introduction of his first pet, a gerbil named Sasha, to a program for children with learning disabilities in 1973.
Dr Fine describes the diverse range of companion-animals he works with, from dogs to lizards, and emphasizes the importance of respecting all as sentient beings. He shares personal stories, such as his connection with a bearded dragon named Spikey, who helped children with similar challenges. The episode also addresses the significance of companion-animal welfare, education, and agency, with Dr. Fine stressing the importance of recognising the non-verbal cues of companion-animals and respecting their boundaries.
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Podlet Guest
Dr Aubrey Fine
email: ahfine@gmail.com
Websites: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/
PodCrew
Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
www.kissingsharks.com/
N.B. Copyright of image behind Sarah in the video is held by Cristina Zenato.
References
Fine, A.H. et al. (2023) The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology, The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology. Routledge. Available at: https://doi.org/10.4324/9781032153346.
Fine, A.H. (2014) Our Faithful Companions - Exploring the essence of our kinship with animals. Alpine Pubns Inc. Available at: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/faithful-companion.
Fine, A.H. (2019) ‘Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions’, Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions, pp. 1–515. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1016/C2017-0-03315-3. https://www.hse.ru/data/2019/04/24/1182243591/[Aubrey_H._Fine]_Handbook_on_Animal-Assisted_Thera(z-lib.org).pdf
Fine, A.H. and J, E.C. (2016) Afternoons with Puppy - Inspirations from a Therapist and His Animals. Purdue University Press. Available at: https://www.press.purdue.edu/9781557537669/.
Thefamilydog (2015) Stop The 77. YouTube. Available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDrhNBwdpk.
Welcome to Episode 35 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we explore companion-animal - human connections, psychology, and interventions with renowned psychologist and anthrozoologist, Dr Aubrey Fine. Dr. Fine shares his career inspiration, challenges, and research interests in companion-animal-assisted therapy.
He recounts his personal journey from a fear of companion-animals to working with them in therapy, combining clinical work, writing, and research in companion-animal-assisted interventions since the mid-1960s. Dr. Fine discusses using animals for therapy and communication with children, highlighting the introduction of his first pet, a gerbil named Sasha, to a program for children with learning disabilities in 1973. Dr Fine describes the diverse range of companion-animals he works with, from dogs to lizards, and emphasizes the importance of respecting all as sentient beings. He shares personal stories, such as his connection with a bearded dragon named Spikey, who helped children with similar challenges. The episode also addresses the significance of companion-animal welfare, education, and agency, with Dr. Fine stressing the importance of recognising the non-verbal cues of companion-animals and respecting their boundaries. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!
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To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod Podlet Guest Dr Aubrey Fine email: ahfine@gmail.com Websites: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/ PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com/ N.B. Copyright of image behind Sarah in the video is held by Cristina Zenato. References Fine, A.H. et al. (2023) The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology, The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology. Routledge. Available at: https://doi.org/10.4324/9781032153346. Fine, A.H. (2014) Our Faithful Companions - Exploring the essence of our kinship with animals. Alpine Pubns Inc. Available at: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/faithful-companion. Fine, A.H. (2019) ‘Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions’, Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions, pp. 1–515. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1016/C2017-0-03315-3. https://www.hse.ru/data/2019/04/24/1182243591/[Aubrey_H._Fine]_Handbook_on_Animal-Assisted_Thera(z-lib.org).pdf Fine, A.H. and J, E.C. (2016) Afternoons with Puppy - Inspirations from a Therapist and His Animals. Purdue University Press. Available at: https://www.press.purdue.edu/9781557537669/. Thefamilydog (2015) Stop The 77. YouTube. Available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDrhNBwdpk.
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Join us for episode 34 as we continue our conversation into the rich history and evolving future of anthrozoology with our guest, Dr. Lynette Hart, the Department Vice Chair and Professor of Population Health and Reproduction at UC Davis's School of Veterinary Medicine. Her research focuses on human - morethanhuman-animal interactions, animal behaviour, and welfare. She is also one of the founders of the field of anthrozoology and the International Society for Anthrozoology (ISAZ).
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Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
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Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
www.kissingsharks.com/
Podlet Guest:
Dr Lynette Hart
Websites:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lynette-Hart
References
Anthrozoology as International Practice (# AIP2023 ) Abstract book (/2023). https://anthrozoologyconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/AIP2023-Abstract-Book.pdf
Hart, B. L., Hart, L. A., Thigpen, A. P., and Willits, N. H. (2020) Assisting Decision-Making on Age of Neutering for 35 Breeds of Dogs: Associated Joint Disorders, Cancers, and Urinary Incontinence. Frontiers in Veterinary Science 7: 548304. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/veterinary-science/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full
Hart, L. A., Thigpen, A. P., Hart, B. L., Willits, N. H., Lee, M., Babchuk, M. M., Lee, J., Ho, M., Clarkson, S. T., and Chou, J. W. (2024) Assisting decision-making on age of neutering for German Short/Wirehaired Pointer, Mastiff, Newfoundland, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Siberian Husky: associated joint disorders, cancers, and urinary incontinence. Frontiers in Veterinary Science 11. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/veterinary-science/articles/10.3389/fvets.2024.1322276/full
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Human-Animal Interactions - Aims and Scope | CABI Digital Library (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024 https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/journal/hai/aims-and-scope.
Loop | Lynette Arnason Hart (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024
https://loop.frontiersin.org/people/52225/editorial.
Lynette A. Hart | School of Veterinary Medicine (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024 https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/lynette-hart.
Working Anthrozoology Group / School of Veterinary Medicine (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024 https://wag.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/.
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Join us for episode 33 as we dive into the rich history and evolving future of anthrozoology with our guest, Dr. Lynette Hart. Dr. Hart is the Department Vice Chair and Professor of Population Health and Reproduction at UC Davis's School of Veterinary Medicine. Her research focuses on human - morethanhuman-animal interactions, animal behaviour, and welfare. She is also one of the founders of the field of anthrozoology and the International Society for Anthrozoology (ISAZ); as well as the recipient of the ISAZ Distinguished Anthrozoologist award for outstanding lifetime achievement. This episode is part 1 of a two-part conversation with Dr Hart and covers a wide range of topics including the history and future of anthrozooology, animal welfare, research funding and the importance of interdisciplinary research and collaboration in anthrozoology. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!
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To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill
https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
ms835@exeter.ac.uk
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
sh750@exeter.ac.uk
www.kissingsharks.com Podlet Guest Dr Lynette Hart
email: lahart@ucdavis.edu
Websites:
https://profiles.ucdavis.edu/lynette.hart https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=q_xuwLcAAAAJ&hl=en https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lynette-Hart References Hart, B. L., Hart, L. A., Thigpen, A. P., and Willits, N. H. (2020) Assisting Decision-Making on Age of Neutering for 35 Breeds of Dogs: Associated Joint Disorders, Cancers, and Urinary Incontinence. Frontiers in Veterinary Science 7: 548304. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full
In episode 32, we continue exploring canine anthropology with Marco Adda, the founder and director of AEDC (Anthrozoology Education Dogs Canines), and INS (Integral Neurosoma). Marco is an actor, scholar in canine-human relationships, educator, trainer, speaker, coach, and the host of the “In the Mouth of the Wolf” podcast. In this podcast episode, the symbiocene and the importance of humans cooperating with other species for mutual benefit. We reflect on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on human - otherthanhuman-animal relationships, particularly focusing on Bali's dog population amidst tourism pressures. We explore the idea of embodying animality and discuss the value of pretending to be animals as a research and educational tool by integrating somatic practices to deepen our understanding of human - otherthanhuman-animal connections.
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PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com/Podlet Guest Marco Adda email: marcogerardoadda@gmail.com Website: https://www.marcoadda.com/ References • (toward) a canine anthropology: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375837543_toward_a_canine_anthropology • Recognising Anthrozooalgia on the Way to the Symbiocene: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365353278_Recognising_Anthrozooalgia_on_the_Way_to_the_Symbiocene
In episode 31, part 1 of a discussion on canine anthropology, we are joined by Marco Adda, the founder and director of AEDC (Anthrozoology Education Dogs Canines), and INS (Integral Neurosoma). Marco is an actor, scholar in canine-human relationships, educator, trainer, speaker, coach, and the host of the “In the Mouth of the Wolf” podcast. In this podcast episode, we discuss somatic practices between dogs and humans. We move onto cultural norms expectations and judgments upon dogs, whether free-roaming or home-contained. Then we discuss Marco’s concept of Anthrozooalgia (human pain and distress due to loss, misuse, or disconnect from other species).
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PodCrew
Dr. Kris Hill
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
ms835@exeter.ac.uk
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate,
University of Exeter
sh750@exeter.ac.uk
Podlet Guest
Marco Adda
email: marcogerardoadda@gmail.com
Website: https://www.marcoadda.com/
References
• (toward) a canine anthropology:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375837543_toward_a_canine_anthropology
• Recognising Anthrozooalgia on the Way to the Symbiocene:
Trigger warning This podcast is about grief and will involve discussions of death and dying. Here is a link to the Blue Cross for anyone who may need support following the loss of a companion animal: https://www.bluecross.org.uk/pet-bereavement-and-pet-loss In episode 30, part 2 of a discussion on grief, we are joined again by Irene Perrett, a fellow researcher from the University of Exeter, who is engaged in PhD research on morethanhuman-animal grief. In this podcast episode, we delve into the multifaceted nature of grief, highlighting its transformative process and the concept of continuing bonds with lost loved ones. We explore various coping mechanisms, such as memorial tattoos and rituals, as ways to maintain connections with departed individuals, including companion animals. Our discussion emphasises the personal nature of grief and the diverse ways individuals navigate the mourning process, challenging societal norms and expectations regarding the length and expression of grief. Furthermore, we examine societal attitudes towards grief, focusing on cultural differences in mourning practices and the impact of disenfranchised grief on individuals' ability to grieve openly. We discuss language's role in shaping perceptions of grief, particularly the use of minimising language and the importance of validating individuals' grief experiences. Our conversation also extends to the emotional connections between researchers and their morethanhuman subjects, raising questions about ethical considerations and the potential grief experienced by researchers upon leaving their subjects. Ultimately, our dialogue underscores the significance of narrative in recognising individuality and fostering empathy, particularly in research contexts where animal grief experiences may be overlooked. In the podcast we reflect on the broader societal implications of grief and the ethical responsibilities of researchers and caregivers in acknowledging and validating diverse grief experiences of those grieving. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please visit our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://academiccatlady.com/ https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski michelle@szyd.mems835@exeter.ac.uk @michszyd@intl_elephants www.internationalelephants.org Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com/ Podlet Guest Irene Perrett PhD Student, University of Exeter ip323@exeter.ac.uk References found here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2024/01/ep2930-refs.pdf?fbclid=IwAR25u8RcU9HFJsl4548bonnAg_F-GHBkgLs7sfPaLVzGJ_FMrHJ-NQ3_2aY
In episode 29 we delve into the topic of grief. We are joined in this episode by Irene, a fellow researcher from the University of Exeter, who is just starting her PhD research on morethanhuman-animal grief. We frame the discussion by highlighting the various dimensions of grief, extending beyond the human realm to explore how animals, particularly social species like elephants, also experience and express grief. The conversation unfolds with the exploration of different definitions and perspectives on grief, emphasizing the contextual nature of grief definitions, grief as a disruptive emotion challenging societal norms and touch on the diverse causes of grief, including loss of habitat, forced relinquishment, and the death of individuals. The discussion broadens to encompass disenfranchised grief, where society invalidates or minimizes the grief experienced by individuals, especially in the context of animal companionship. We touch on the criminalization of grief in certain situations, such as in incarceration institutions. Our podcast references Judith Butler's concept of grievable lives, where irreplaceability, transformative effect, and embodied experience define lives worthy of grief. We acknowledge the subjectivity of what society deems grievable and highlight the coping mechanisms, including compassion fatigue and emotional calluses, that individuals develop in response to constant exposure to grief. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk hwww.kissingsharks.com/ Podlet Guest Irene Perrett PhD Student, University of Exeter, ip323@exeter.ac.uk References found here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2024/01/ep2930-refs.pdf?fbclid=IwAR25u8RcU9HFJsl4548bonnAg_F-GHBkgLs7sfPaLVzGJ_FMrHJ-NQ3_2aY
Welcome to a special mini-episode of the anthrozoology podcast. Today we are discussing interventions developed for the treatment of juvenile and adult animal abusers. Our guest is Dr. Ken Shapiro, the founder of the Animals and Society Institute, and a clinical psychologist focused on the assessment and treatment of juveniles and adults who abuse animals. Trigger warning, this episode discusses animal neglect and abuse, and may be troubling to some listeners. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod Podlet Guest Kenneth Shapiro is a cofounder and President of the board of the Animals & Society Institute. He is a founding editor of Society & Animals: Journal of Human-Animal Studies, and a co-editor and a cofounder of Journal for Applied Animal Welfare Science and the editor of the Brill Human-Animal Studies book series. His most recent book is The Assessment and Treatment of Children who Abuse Animals: The AniCare® Approach. PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk hwww.kissingsharks.com/ References The AniCare Approach: https://ndaa.org/resource/the-anicare-approach-for-treating-animal-abusers/ Animals & Society Institute: https://www.animalsandsociety.org/ Ascione, F. R., and Shapiro, K. (2009) People and animals, kindness and cruelty: Research directions and policy implications. Journal of Social Issues 65(3): 569–587. B.A.R.K. https://socialwork.nyu.edu/a-silver-education/continuing-education/conferences-and-events/bark-diversion-program.html Desomond’s Law: https://libguides.law.uconn.edu/c.php?g=923213&p=6653929 Shapiro, K. (2016). The Identification, Assessment, and Treatment of Adults Who Abuse Animals: The AniCare Approach. https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-27362-4
