In this episode, we continue our conversation with Altamush Saeed, an interspecies justice lawyer, educator, and nonprofit leader exploring how Pakistan prepares for and responds to crises. Altamush challenges the idea of ‘natural’ disasters, arguing they’re human-driven failures of planning and policy, especially for more-than-just-human animals who are too often left out.
From live flood-response and emergency veterinary aid to courtroom advocacy, Altamush shows what it looks like to centre animals, people, and the environment together.He reflects on how trauma, climate change, and compassion intersect, and why “One Health” must evolve into One Health and animal-inclusive social justice so the balance doesn’t default to humans alone.
Drawing on Islamic principles of mercy and stewardship, he connects factory farming to climate risk, public health, and environmental injustice, and explains how training Imams to address animals and the environment in Friday sermons is catalysing grassroots change across communities.
Along the way, Altamush discusses his ongoing case concerning a Himalayan brown bear named Hope; efforts to add animals to disaster law and policy, and movement-building through education: from animal and environmental law to food-systems teaching that links what we eat to climate resilience. This is a powerful conversation about preparedness, prevention, and reimagining justice so every species has a place in our future.
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Podlet Guest
Name: Altamush Saeed LLMemail: earcpak@gmail.com
Environmental and Animal Rights Consultants Pakistan.
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PodCrew
Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter
https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski
www.internationalelephants.org
@intl_elephants
Sarah Oxley Heaney
PhD Candidate, University of Exeter