They discuss Sidney's experiences with outdoor activities, his seasonal work, and a memorable hiking trip to the Maroon Bells. They also touch on Sidney's hospitality skills, the impact of outdoor activities on people, and have a rapid-fire question segment.

We discuss Maddie's experiences as an outdoor educator, starting with a birthday celebration during a trip they worked together on. Maddie recounts how she got into outdoor education, beginning with her dislike of sand which led her to the Boundary Waters in northern Minnesota.

She worked as a guide there for several years and later joined Deer Hill Expeditions in Colorado. They delve into her experiences guiding various groups, including a challenging trip with a resilient group and a women's wilderness trip. Maddie emphasizes the importance of meeting participants where they are at and creating meaningful experiences.

She also discusses her relationship with canoes and their historical significance.The conversation touches on the current state of the outdoor recreation industry, noting a decrease in participation and challenges related to job benefits and burnout.

Maddie shares her thoughts on reframing the industry as a serious career option. They also engage in a rapid-fire question segment, covering topics like favorite meals on the trail, essential items, and favorite places.

Devon Jecmen, who works in the outdoor education industry. She talks about a particularly chaotic trip she experienced with Scott Boersma, where they had to deal with a student sneaking a phone and testing positive for COVID-19. Despite the challenges, they made it through.Jecmen shares that she learned a lot from Boersma on that trip, especially how to handle stressful situations with a calm demeanor. She also learned the importance of being open to learning and growing in the outdoor industry.Jecmen was initially drawn to the outdoors through a friend's invitation to guide school. She has since transitioned from commercial guiding to outdoor education because she finds it more fulfilling. One of her favorite trips was a three-week trip with a small group of students. She enjoyed seeing the students grow and become more confident in their abilities.Jecmen has noticed a decrease in enrollment in outdoor programs recently and attributes this to financial difficulties and students having less experience in the outdoors. She believes the industry needs to focus on accessibility and adapting programs to meet the needs of today's students.In the rapid fire questions, Jecmen talks about her favorite river (the Dolores River), her favorite river meal (French toast or pineapple upside down cake), and her upcoming trip to the Grand Canyon.

Sarah Paul was an over qualified intern who lent me their sleeping bag after I intentionally left my own at base.

Ian and I have not talked in over a decade. We talk about where he was when I first knew him to how he got to start living in Greece. We talk about how hard it is to be in a relationship and what it took for him to find love and leave the work he finds so powerful.

Zac and I catch up from out time working together at The Outdoor School and how he managed to make his way all the way to Guam.