We discuss Maddie's experiences as an outdoor educator, starting with a birthday celebration during a trip they worked together on. Maddie recounts how she got into outdoor education, beginning with her dislike of sand which led her to the Boundary Waters in northern Minnesota.

She worked as a guide there for several years and later joined Deer Hill Expeditions in Colorado. They delve into her experiences guiding various groups, including a challenging trip with a resilient group and a women's wilderness trip. Maddie emphasizes the importance of meeting participants where they are at and creating meaningful experiences.

She also discusses her relationship with canoes and their historical significance.The conversation touches on the current state of the outdoor recreation industry, noting a decrease in participation and challenges related to job benefits and burnout.

Maddie shares her thoughts on reframing the industry as a serious career option. They also engage in a rapid-fire question segment, covering topics like favorite meals on the trail, essential items, and favorite places.