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The Worship Nerds
Adam Perez
28 episodes
4 days ago
Conversations connecting contemporary worship research with contemporary worship leaders for the life of the church.
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Conversations connecting contemporary worship research with contemporary worship leaders for the life of the church.
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Christianity
Religion & Spirituality
Episodes (20/28)
The Worship Nerds
Deeper Formation for Worship (w/ Dr. Laura Benjamins)

In this conversation, we continue our series on Contemporary Worship Music and Intergenerational Formation with Dr. Laura Benjamins, discussing her research on the processes by which contemporary worship music forms us. Coming from music education and church music, she highlights the Bourdieuian concept of _habitus_, the formation of new worship leaders, and the implications of musical choices on congregational participation and intergenerational worship. The conversation invites us to engage think theologically about more than just lyrics and about the habits and musical practices that shape our worship and worship leadership teams.


Read her full article here: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/16/2/237

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3 months ago
38 minutes 48 seconds

The Worship Nerds
A Child-Sized Liberation Theology (w/ Kelsey McGinnis)

In this episode, I welcome back Dr. Kelsey Kramer McGinnis to discuss her article, "To Be Seen and Heard: Toward a Child Liberation Theology Framework for Contemporary Praise and Worship Practice" as part of our series on Contemporary Worship Music and Intergenerational Formation. The conversation focuses on Christian parenting literature, and the parent-centered models prevalent in worship, the role of children in worship settings, and the potential for a liberatory theology that includes children. McGinnis encourages worship leaders to reflect on the importance of recognizing children's voices in worship and the implications of obedience and hierarchical relationships within family and church dynamics.

Read her full article here: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/16/2/261

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4 months ago
53 minutes 3 seconds

The Worship Nerds
A Spirit-Shaped Vision for Worship (that includes children)

We continue our series on the recent academic journal issue "Contemporary Worship Music and Intergenerational Formation" with authors Revs. Drs. Angela and Jeremy Perigo.

In this episode, we explore what it might mean to take our Pneumatology more seriously when it comes to including children in the musical worship leadership of the congregation. One outcome is that we see children as equal members in the kingdom of God. We also see that welcoming children is a way of welcoming the kingdom. The Perigos challenge us to consider how the full inclusion of children is not an _age_ issue but a _Spirit_ issue. How might we be limiting the gifts of the Spirit when we limit the participation of children?

Read the full article, "Poured Out on Your Sons and Daughters: Pneumatologically Shaped Pedagogical Practices for Engaging Children in Congregational Worship" by Angela and Jeremy here: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/16/2/243


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6 months ago
49 minutes 2 seconds

The Worship Nerds
Babies, Theology, and True Praise Beyond Words

In this episode with Debbie Wong, we explore the theological question of babies praising God through the sounds they make -- the _jubilus_, as in the work of Augustine. This leads us to the practical question of how to understand the role the "woahs" and "ohs" in contemporary worship more broadly. Is it good and right to have these kinds of phrases in our praise songs? Is worship better the more theologically precise it is?

Read the full article here: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/15/12/1454

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7 months ago
53 minutes 36 seconds

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Young People and Liturgical Flexibility (w/ Dr. Nelson Cowan and Dr. Emily Andrews)

In this episode with Dr. Nelson Cowan and Dr. Emily Andrews, we discuss their recently co-authored article "Liturgical Gift or Theological Burden? Teenagers and Ecumenical Liturgical Exchange Events" (Religions, 2024). We explore how the worship preferences of young people might surprise those who have long styled worship to "attract the youth" in order to preserve the faith and save the church. It turns out that Gen-Z is more open and eclectic to different kinds of worship practices than they get credit for.

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8 months ago
54 minutes 38 seconds

The Worship Nerds
WOW! Worship (ft. Joshua Busman and Debbie Wong)

Which color was your favorite?? In this episode, we take a walk down memory lane to discuss the WOW! Worship discs and their place in the growth of CWM in the late 1990s and 2000s. Dr. Joshua Busman and doctoral candidate Debbie Wong explore with me the marketing of the this series and the "portable affect" of CWM.

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1 year ago
48 minutes 25 seconds

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CPW is Ecumenical? (w/ Sarah Kathleen Johnson)

In this episode with Dr. Sarah Kathleen Johnson, we discuss her recently co-authored article "Contemporary Worship Music as an Ecumenical Liturgical Movement" (Worship Journal, 2023). We explore how contemporary praise and worship music has found its way into the hearts and hymnals of a wide variety of Christian traditions as it connects Christians across time and space.

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1 year ago
44 minutes 28 seconds

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Music as "Small Talk" (w/ Dr. Anna Nekola)

In this episode with Dr. Anna Nekola, we discuss her recent article "Congregational Music as 'Phatic Communication': Affect, Atmosphere, and Relational Ways of Listening" (Yale Journal of Music & Religion, 2022). We explore some of the social functions of music and how it does more than open of spiritual pathways between us and God but also social pathways to connect with one another. This form of communication is more than information but about enabling and maintaining social connections.

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1 year ago
59 minutes 6 seconds

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Kelsey McGinnis: Worship Leader Research Miniseries, pt. 4!

For the past few years, Dr. Kelsey Kramer McGinnis has been covering worship music as a journalist for Christianity Today. Her articles have been stirring up really important conversations among worship leaders! She joins me on the podcast to talk about how the Worship Leader Research project fits into her broader view of whats going on in the worship music world.

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1 year ago
41 minutes 15 seconds

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Worship Music for Others? (w/ Dr. Nathan Myrick)

In this episode with Dr. Nathan Myrick (Mercer University), we discuss his recent book _Music for Others: Care, Justice, and Relational Ethics in Christian Music (Oxford University Press, 2021). We explore what we are after in making music together -- and perhaps what we should be after in church music in particular. Namely, what kinds of relationships should be the result of making music together.

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1 year ago
55 minutes 40 seconds

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Marc Jolicoeur: Worship Leader Research Miniseries, pt. 3!

I chat with my Worship Leader Research teammate Marc Jolicoeur about his role on the research team and how the project is impacting his work as a local church worship leader. He's an avid learner who brings his joy and hope to this important pastoral work.

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1 year ago
37 minutes 7 seconds

The Worship Nerds
Elias Dummer: Worship Leader Research Miniseries, Pt 2!

I chat with my Worship Leader Research teammate Elias Dummer to talk about his contributions to the project, his hopes for the future of worship, and his experience in the worship music industry.


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1 year ago
40 minutes 11 seconds

The Worship Nerds
Song Stories and Songwriter Inspiration (w/ Dr. Jonathan Welch)

In this episode with Dr. Jonathan Welch (Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary), we discuss the legacy of the song story column in Worship Leader Magazine and what it can tell us about how worship songwriters imagine God's participation in the creative act. Welch encourages worship songwriters to know that God is present in the process, even if we aren't feeling some special divine anointing in the moment!

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1 year ago
38 minutes 29 seconds

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Dr. Shannan Baker: Worship Leader Research Miniseries pt. 1!

My fellow Worship Leader Research teammate Dr. Shannan Baker takes a minute to chat about the WLR project, her hopes as a researcher, and what animates her ongoing care for the contemporary worship phenomenon as a researcher.

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1 year ago
31 minutes 15 seconds

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Steven Furtick and Musical Preaching (w/ Dr. Noel Snyder)

In this episode, we talk with Dr. Noel Snyder, author of the book _Sermons that Sing: Music and the Practice of Preaching_ (IVP Academic, 2021). Dr. Snyder explores the musicality of the preaching moment as we discuss the preaching of Elevation Church Pastor and songwriter Steven Furtick.

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1 year ago
42 minutes 54 seconds

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Worship is Performance -- and that's good! (w/ Dr. Marcell Silva Steuernagel)

In this episode, we talk with Dr. Marcell Silva Steuernagel (Dallas, TX), author of the book _Church Music Through the Lens of Performance_ (Routledge, 2021). Dr. Silva Steuernagel discusses the negative baggage of the language of "performance" in worship and helps us reimagine its usefulness. Instead of shying away, he encourages us to re-embrace "performance" for worship practices in order to be more deeply engaged, freed to lead, and more fully ourselves before God.

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3 years ago
55 minutes 54 seconds

The Worship Nerds
Worship Culture at Mars Hill (w/ Dr. Maren Haynes Marchesini)

In this episode, we talk with Dr. Maren Haynes Marchesini (Helena, MO). Dr. Haynes Marchesini talks with us about the music and worship culture at the infamous Mars Hill Church, Seattle WA. Our conversation explores the relationship between the subcultural musical styles and the Pastor Mark Driscoll's niche, aggressive approach to a patriarchal and gender complementarian faith. Dr. Haynes Marchesini encourages us to think about reflect regularly our worship enacts our values as a community and wrestle with our inherited traditions.

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3 years ago
1 hour 2 minutes 15 seconds

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A Theology of Worship Technology? (w/ Dr. Zac Hicks)

In this episode, we talk with Dr. Zac Hicks (Birmingham, AL). Dr. Hicks discusses a general posture toward technology in worship and how to think about what Christian scripture and tradition might have to say about it. Our conversation explores the relationship between technology and culture, conflict over changes in technology, and why we worship leaders might need to develop a more discerning approach to worship technologies.

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3 years ago
51 minutes 22 seconds

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The Boys Club of Contemporary Worship Music? (w/ Anneli Loepp Thiessen)

In this episode, we talk with Anneli Loepp Thiessen (University of Ottawa). Thiessen discusses the role that gender plays in shaping the contemporary worship music industry, especially when it comes to songwriting. Our conversation explores the relationship between women and the top CCLI charts, language about human-divine encounter in contemporary worship, and why we might want to think more expansively about biblical metaphors for God in contemporary worship songs.

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3 years ago
1 hour 24 seconds

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Culture and Diversity in Worshipping Communities (w/ Dr. Gerardo MartÍ)

In this episode, we talk with Dr. Gerardo MartÍ (Davidson College). Dr. MartÍ discusses with us the surprising role that race and ethnicity among worship leaders plays in shaping worshipping communities. Our conversation explores diverse hiring practices, the impact of church growth logic on contemporary worship, and way sociology can help us unmask the questionable influence of contemporary worship on global Christianity today.

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3 years ago
1 hour 16 minutes 6 seconds

The Worship Nerds
Conversations connecting contemporary worship research with contemporary worship leaders for the life of the church.