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The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir
32 episodes
1 week ago
Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.
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Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.
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Episodes (20/32)
The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Sweet Home Chicago

In this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir explore the challenges leaders face when social and political controversies land at their doorstep. Using Jimmy Kimmel’s recent cancellation, a Chicago suburb’s flag-lowering dispute, and the famous Tempe “Dump Starbucks” incident, they discuss how leaders decide when to speak up, when to stay silent, and how to engage their teams during polarizing events. Their key message: leaders must give people a voice—without surrendering the responsibility to lead—and communicate their reasoning with courage, transparency, and respect.

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1 month ago
36 minutes 7 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Leadership & Delegation

In Episode 54, Kristen and Sylvia explore the art of delegation and the pitfalls leaders face when balancing control with trust. They unpack the spectrum between micromanaging and perfectionism, sharing how true leadership comes from empowering others with autonomy and mastery. By entrusting projects and allowing space for growth, leaders not only free themselves to focus on vision but also cultivate the next generation of decision-makers.

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1 month ago
38 minutes 12 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Courage is a Team Sport

In Episode 53 of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen and Sylvia explore what it means to face the inner battles that hold us back—fear, self-doubt, and imposter syndrome. Through reflection and shared insights, we talk about how courage isn’t something you carry alone; it grows stronger in community. Together, we unpack how bravery, humility, and persistence can help us keep moving toward what’s right, even when it’s hard.

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2 months ago
52 minutes 52 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Conflict Without Trust is Chaos

Nobody loves conflict, but it’s part of leadership. In this episode, Kristen and Sylvia dig into the idea of “conflict intelligence” — the ability to understand, navigate, and even use conflict to make teams stronger. They share stories from their own time in leadership, unpack why building trust before conflict matters, and talk about how leaders can regulate their own emotions when the heat is on. You’ll hear how leaning into tension (instead of avoiding it) can turn disagreements into opportunities for growth, connection, and innovation.

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2 months ago
45 minutes 24 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Fun is not Frivolous, It's Fuel

Syliva Moir and Kristen Ziman dig into the topic of Joy. When we find it at work, we usually think of it as a fortunate byproduct of loving our job and our co-workers. But our chiefs encourage us to seek it out, to schedule it. Joy is something we should make an effort to find, not wait for it to find us.

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3 months ago
40 minutes 28 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
How Long is too Long? Knowing When to Leave Leadership

In this engaging conversation, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir explore the complexities of leadership transitions, the reasons leaders may overstay their welcome, and the importance of self-reflection and ego management. They discuss the challenges of recognizing when it's time to step down, the impact of identity on leadership roles, and the necessity of preparing successors to ensure organizational growth. The dialogue emphasizes the need for introspection, agency, and the courage to ask difficult questions about one's role and contributions.

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3 months ago
40 minutes 27 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
I Will Wait a Lifetime to Exact Revenge

 What does shoplifting a face mask, climbing on a school roof, and grounding your own kid have in common? Accountability. In this episode of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, we explore how lessons from our childhood mistakes and parenting decisions shape our leadership philosophies today. We’re not talking about punishment — we’re talking about redirection, realignment, and responsibility. Get ready for stories, laughs, and hard truths.

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4 months ago
43 minutes 50 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Is Good Enough Good Enough?

In this episode, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir tackle the uncomfortable but important question facing leaders: are we making decisions based on what's best for the organization or what's simply easiest for us?

Drawing from personal experiences in law enforcement leadership, they explore how "comfortable" choices—those based on familiarity, loyalty, and social proximity—can often undermine growth, diversity of thought, and long-term success.

With references to Daniel Kahneman’s concept of “cognitive ease,” the hosts challenge leaders to build teams of truth tellers, embrace discomfort, and consciously evaluate whether their hiring and promotional decisions are rooted in true merit or unconscious bias.

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4 months ago
33 minutes 22 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
I Forgot to Be Afraid

In this episode, Sylvia shares a powerful story about bungee jumping in New Zealand—and how, in the moment afterward, she realized she had forgotten to be afraid. That simple phrase becomes the thread that runs through the entire conversation. Kristen takes it a step further, asking a thoughtful question: Is it really a "fear of failure" - as they saying goes - or a fear of how people will judge us after we fail? This honest and meaningful dialogue explores what it takes to face fear and move forward. We hope you enjoy listening as much as we loved recording it.

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5 months ago
32 minutes 57 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Hope > Trust?

Kristen and Sylvia discuss a counterintuitive study that suggests that employees value Hope over Trust from their employers. What do they make of this, and how many off-ramps do they take to discuss other topics?

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5 months ago
26 minutes 52 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Double Denim and a Dickie

Employees aren’t quitting—they’re disengaging. They’re showing up, but they’re not present. It’s called The Great Detachment, and it’s killing productivity, morale, and innovation.

In this episode, Sylvia and Kristen break down why employees are checking out, what leaders are getting wrong, and how to fix it. Spoiler: it’s not about perks—it’s about purpose, recognition, and trust. If you want a team that actually cares, you have to earn it.

Tune in for real talk, tough truths, and actionable strategies to bring your workforce back to life. The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast—because shiny leadership isn’t enough.

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8 months ago
41 minutes 2 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Coconut Milk

Sylvia and Kristen are back with another episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, and this time, they’re tackling one of the biggest leadership pitfalls—thinking you’re being clear when you’re not.

It all started with what seemed like a simple request, but quickly turned into confusion and frustration. That moment became the perfect metaphor for leadership: when leaders have a vision but don’t communicate it well, their teams are left guessing.

In this episode, Sylvia and Kristen break down why assumptions lead to misalignment, how leaders unknowingly create obstacles for their teams, and what it really takes to turn vision into action.

Want to lead with clarity instead of confusion? Tune in to this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast.

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8 months ago
33 minutes 3 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
43. Bison Walk into a Snowstorm

Our episode begins with Sylvia offering meditation advice that Kristen can get behind, and along the way we learn that bison walk into a snowstorm because they instinctively know they'll get through it faster that way. 

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9 months ago
51 minutes 18 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
42. The Reboot

We haven't posted a podcast in a while. Life got in the way, but every obstacle is an opportunity. The result is Episode 42, The Reboot.

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10 months ago
1 hour 3 minutes 43 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
41. Rank is not Leadership with Chris Hsiung

Kristen & Sylvia visit with Chris Hsiung, a former police chief and founding board member of "The Curve," a non-profit created with the goal of modernizing police culture from within the profession.

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1 year ago
49 minutes 2 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
40. If I Can Think It and It Makes Sense, I Can Make It Happen with Michael Koonce

Michael Koonce is the president of H2 Strategics and a pro at helping customers adopt hydrogen as an alternative clean fuel that is profitable and good for the globe. He is known for aiding customers with whole solutions not just a single piece of equipment or delivery. His work ethic, positive attitude, business acumen and holistic approach teaches leaders on various enterprises about becoming indispensable. He is not just a global success, he is a pilot, a chef, and a darn good cribbage player.

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1 year ago
50 minutes 39 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
39. How to Handle Narcissists

Kristen & Sylvia discuss narcissism, how it can benefit leaders (in small doses) and how to handle leaders who have it.

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1 year ago
42 minutes 15 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
38. The Monk, The Nun, and The Interrogater with Scott Thuman

Scott Thuman anchors 7News' 5 p.m., 6 p.m. and 11 p.m. newscasts every weeknight in Washington DC.

Over the years, his objective coverage has earned him many awards, including multiple Emmys, AP, Murrow, and Telly honors.

Scott spent much of the last decade as Chief Political Correspondent at the Sinclair Broadcast Group before returning to 7News in 2024. He’s also a weekly contributor to the national show, Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson.

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1 year ago
49 minutes 17 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
37. Look Good Feel Good with Sarah LaMont
In Sarah LaMont's own words: "When I graduated college with a degree in Graphic Design from the University of Washington I had a hard time finding a job in my field, that is when I secured a second job at Nordstrom in Downtown Seattle as a Salesperson in the Women’s Petite Department. Admittedly, I didn’t think it was a real job… on my very first day I tended to a 5 feet tall woman who was overwhelmed trying to find something memorable to wear to her son’s wedding. By the end of the day, not only had we found something that made her feel beautiful but had accomplished the same challenge for her husband. They were so happy I remember them tipping me $100 and told me to use it to buy myself a bottle of vodka because 'I deserved it!' This experience was eye opening to me… I always loved getting dressed and saw it as a way to express who I was and how I wanted people to see me; I cared more about body shape and proportion and how fashion could be incorporated into your every day lifestyle. While working at Nordstrom I encountered people who didn’t see getting dressed as a creative expression but as a stressful hassle… and I wanted to help. I do what I love: Styling for both men and women, not just for special occasions and events, but for their Saturday mornings and casual evenings with their family and friends. I believe style should be part of your everyday life and doesn’t have to be full of rules and “dry clean only” labels. I started this business so that I can help each one of my clients find function and creativity in their existing closets and never feel embarrassed to bump into people they know while out doing errands again. Why style?… Why not!"
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1 year ago
52 minutes 40 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
36. Pocket of Magic with Becky Stickley

Before she was an entrepreneur, Becky Stickley was an "intrapreneur." Her career path has been more of a jungle gym than a ladder and she has served as a children’s librarian, trademark assistant, communications professional, and project manager. Throughout her career, she excelled and collected all the gold stars. Until she got “the promotion that changed everything.” In the midst of overwhelm and a massive case of imposter syndrome, Becky found coaching. It changed the way she manages her day, leads her team, and loves her family and friends. She’s never looked back, and now brings all that goodness to her clients.

She has more than a decade of experience managing multi-million dollar projects, brand new programs, and both in-person and remote teams. Becky combines this experience, a degree in leadership studies, and a coaching certification to help her clients navigate the evolving work landscape by gaining confidence, building resiliency, better managing relationships, and developing their unique leadership style with less overwhelm and frustration.

Becky lives in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia with her husband, daughter, dog, cat, and growing herd of cows.

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1 year ago
51 minutes 11 seconds

The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.