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Scaleup Valley Podcast
Scaleup Valley Podcast
332 episodes
2 months ago
In this episode of the Scaled Up Twilight podcast, Mike Dias interviews Lucas Lovell, VP of Product at Paddle. Lucas shares his unique journey from studying law in Australia to becoming a product leader in the tech industry. He discusses his experiences at Paddle, the importance of founder backgrounds in product management, and the skills necessary for transitioning from a founder to a VP role. The conversation highlights the significance of adaptability, empowerment, and the evolving nature of product management as companies scale. In this conversation, Mike Dias and Lucas discuss the challenges of cross-functional alignment in product and go-to-market functions, the impact of incentivization structures on decision-making, and the balance between passion and financial outcomes in leadership roles. They explore the evolving role of AI in product management, emphasizing the need for customer centricity despite the efficiencies AI brings. Lucas reflects on his career choices, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and growth. Takeaways The role of a VP of Product differs significantly from a PM. Metrics shift from product-focused to business-focused at the VP level. Collaboration across functions is essential for product success. Product leaders need a founder mindset to navigate silos. Cross-functional alignment is a maturity journey for companies. Clarity in strategy helps reduce friction among leaders. Incentivization structures can create misalignment between teams. Balancing passion and financial outcomes is crucial for leaders. AI is transforming product management by speeding up execution. Sound Bites "Paddle is a great place for founders." "Your primary artifact becomes strategy." "Why do we have such a lot of silos?" "Alignment on strategy is crucial." "We didn't have alignment on ICP." "We want to be more piratic." "Execution is becoming cheaper and faster." "AI is making PMs less customer centric." "Keep indexing towards learning."
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In this episode of the Scaled Up Twilight podcast, Mike Dias interviews Lucas Lovell, VP of Product at Paddle. Lucas shares his unique journey from studying law in Australia to becoming a product leader in the tech industry. He discusses his experiences at Paddle, the importance of founder backgrounds in product management, and the skills necessary for transitioning from a founder to a VP role. The conversation highlights the significance of adaptability, empowerment, and the evolving nature of product management as companies scale. In this conversation, Mike Dias and Lucas discuss the challenges of cross-functional alignment in product and go-to-market functions, the impact of incentivization structures on decision-making, and the balance between passion and financial outcomes in leadership roles. They explore the evolving role of AI in product management, emphasizing the need for customer centricity despite the efficiencies AI brings. Lucas reflects on his career choices, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and growth. Takeaways The role of a VP of Product differs significantly from a PM. Metrics shift from product-focused to business-focused at the VP level. Collaboration across functions is essential for product success. Product leaders need a founder mindset to navigate silos. Cross-functional alignment is a maturity journey for companies. Clarity in strategy helps reduce friction among leaders. Incentivization structures can create misalignment between teams. Balancing passion and financial outcomes is crucial for leaders. AI is transforming product management by speeding up execution. Sound Bites "Paddle is a great place for founders." "Your primary artifact becomes strategy." "Why do we have such a lot of silos?" "Alignment on strategy is crucial." "We didn't have alignment on ICP." "We want to be more piratic." "Execution is becoming cheaper and faster." "AI is making PMs less customer centric." "Keep indexing towards learning."
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Scaleup Valley Podcast
331 | AI and the Future Of Product Management | Lucas Lovell, VP of Product of Paddle
In this episode of the Scaled Up Twilight podcast, Mike Dias interviews Lucas Lovell, VP of Product at Paddle. Lucas shares his unique journey from studying law in Australia to becoming a product leader in the tech industry. He discusses his experiences at Paddle, the importance of founder backgrounds in product management, and the skills necessary for transitioning from a founder to a VP role. The conversation highlights the significance of adaptability, empowerment, and the evolving nature of product management as companies scale. In this conversation, Mike Dias and Lucas discuss the challenges of cross-functional alignment in product and go-to-market functions, the impact of incentivization structures on decision-making, and the balance between passion and financial outcomes in leadership roles. They explore the evolving role of AI in product management, emphasizing the need for customer centricity despite the efficiencies AI brings. Lucas reflects on his career choices, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and growth. Takeaways The role of a VP of Product differs significantly from a PM. Metrics shift from product-focused to business-focused at the VP level. Collaboration across functions is essential for product success. Product leaders need a founder mindset to navigate silos. Cross-functional alignment is a maturity journey for companies. Clarity in strategy helps reduce friction among leaders. Incentivization structures can create misalignment between teams. Balancing passion and financial outcomes is crucial for leaders. AI is transforming product management by speeding up execution. Sound Bites "Paddle is a great place for founders." "Your primary artifact becomes strategy." "Why do we have such a lot of silos?" "Alignment on strategy is crucial." "We didn't have alignment on ICP." "We want to be more piratic." "Execution is becoming cheaper and faster." "AI is making PMs less customer centric." "Keep indexing towards learning."
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6 months ago
45 minutes 15 seconds

Scaleup Valley Podcast
330 | Cracking the Code: Ida Tin on Femtech, Fear and Funding
330 | Cracking the Code: Ida Tin on Femtech, Fear and Funding by Scaleup Valley Podcast
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8 months ago
49 minutes 5 seconds

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329 | Navigating the first 90 days as a CEO with Eric Carrasquilla | CEO of Vendavo
In this episode of the Scale Up Valley podcast, Mike Dias interviews Eric Carrasquilla, CEO of Vendavo. They discuss Eric's journey from product management to CEO, the value proposition of Vendavo as a commercial operating system, and key insights from Eric's first 90 days in the role. Eric emphasizes the importance of clarity, speed, and culture in leadership, and introduces the V2MOM framework as a tool for organizational alignment. The conversation also touches on building the right team and fostering a culture that supports growth and success. Takeaways Vendavo helps companies unlock profitable growth. Speed in decision-making is essential for success. Culture is set by the CEO and is vital for the organization. Growth mindset is necessary in a scale-up environment. Simplifying goals helps in achieving clarity and focus. Building the right team is critical for achieving goals. Sound Bites "I'm a recovering product guy." "Speed is about decisiveness." "Culture is a you thing." "You should watch what I do." "It's about who you need to become." "It's a very selfish thing." "You gotta earn it every day." "We are in the rentals business." "A little bit of empathy goes a long way." Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Vendavo and Eric Carrasquilla 02:31 Understanding Vendavo's Value Proposition 10:35 Key Insights from Eric's First 90 Days as CEO 16:10 The V2MOM Framework and Its Importance 20:29 Building the Right Team and Culture 21:40 Building a People-Centric Culture 24:03 The Commercial Operating System 25:34 Partner-Led SaaS Strategy 26:32 Customer Success as a Priority 28:11 Strategic Cross-Functional Initiatives 30:35 Leadership Development and Clarity 32:52 Balancing Discipline and Detachment 35:26 The Importance of Resilience 37:27 Building High-Performing Teams 39:57 Navigating the CEO Journey
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9 months ago
43 minutes 42 seconds

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328 | From 0 to $200M: Bootstrapped vs Private Equity CEO with Mark Drever, CEO Xcelerate Solutions
Sound Bites "All boats rise in a rising tide." "You always want to go out on top." "I worked that plan every day for 12 years." "PE wants you levered up and hungry." "Good things happen to good people." "Business is a team sport." "Show up early and often, stay late." "Don't let what you want get in the way." Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Mark Drever and Accelerate Solutions 02:23 Mark's Journey: From Bootstrapping to Major Growth 07:15 Transitioning from Independent Business to Private Equity 12:26 Navigating Employee Growth and Leadership Changes 17:55 Timing the Exit: Building an Asset-Based Business 24:02 Understanding Business Dynamics: Asset vs. Lifestyle 27:24 Navigating the Sale: Strategic vs. Private Equity 30:55 The Importance of Business Structure and Clean Operations 33:14 Choosing the Right Partners: Lessons Learned 35:17 Reinvesting for Growth: The Role of Private Equity 38:34 The Future of Work: Remote vs. In-Person Collaboration 42:43 Advice to My Younger Self: Balancing Career and Life
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10 months ago
41 minutes 47 seconds

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327 | The 2 Rules of a Bootstrapped 700 People CEO with Aytekin Tank, CEO of JotForm.
n this episode of the Scale Up Valley podcast, Aytekin Tank, founder and CEO of JotForm, shares his incredible journey of building a successful bootstrapped company from the ground up. Over 18 years, JotForm has grown from a solo venture to a team of 700 employees, all while adhering to two fundamental rules that prioritize sustainable growth. Aytekin discusses the complexities of scaling a business, the importance of cross-functional teams, and how to maintain a focus on priorities amidst rapid growth. He emphasizes the significance of leadership development and the balance between reinvesting in the business and managing expenses. In this conversation, Aytekin Tank shares his insights on leadership, team management, and the evolution of JotForm. He emphasizes the importance of empowering teams with independence while maintaining oversight through regular reviews. Aytekin discusses his journey of delegation and automation to focus on product development, transitioning from a CEO to a founder mindset, and identifying key opportunities and bottlenecks for growth. He highlights the shift from customer acquisition to retention and the challenges of building a successful sales team, ultimately sharing valuable lessons learned about prioritization and focus. Takeaways Aytekin Tank bootstrapped JotForm to 700 employees over 18 years. He emphasizes the importance of having one year of salaries in reserve before hiring. Slow growth allows for better management and learning. Maintaining a 25% gross margin is crucial for sustainability. The complexity of managing a larger team increases as the company grows. Cross-functional teams enhance creativity and productivity. Independence within teams fosters innovation and decision-making. Leadership development is essential for scaling successfully. Prioritizing tasks is key to avoiding bureaucracy and inefficiency. Aytekin is currently focused on developing an AI product for JotForm. Empowering teams with independence fosters creativity and innovation. Regular reviews help align team efforts with company priorities. Delegation and automation are crucial for focusing on product development. Transitioning from a CEO to a founder mindset can reignite passion for work. Identifying the biggest opportunities and bottlenecks is essential for growth. The shift from customer acquisition to retention is vital for scaling. Building a successful sales team requires patience and the right hires. Learning from past mistakes is key to improving leadership skills. Prioritization is critical in addressing the most impactful challenges. Finding the crux of problems leads to more effective solutions. titles Two Rules for Bootstrapping Success Maintaining Focus Amidst Rapid Growth Empowering Teams for Success The Art of Delegation in Leadership Sound Bites "From zero to 700 employees in 18 years." "I hate taking risks." "Slow growth is good." "Give the teams independence, give teams the creativity." "I automated many things about the way I processed emails." "I felt like I was this glorified administrator."
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11 months ago
40 minutes 40 seconds

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326 | Building a Startup in MENA: A Female Founder's Path to VC. Success with Julie Barbier
Julie Barbier-Leblan, CEO of Merit, shares her journey as an entrepreneur and the growth of her company. She started her entrepreneurship journey in the Middle East as a finance lawyer and later founded Merit, a global engagement technology company. Merit helps enterprise clients engage internally with their employees and externally with customers using a suite of SaaS solutions and rewards. Julie discusses the challenges and opportunities of scaling a business in the MENA region and the importance of building a strong network and partnerships. She also shares her decision to raise VC funding and the benefits of having local and regional investors. Key Takeaways: Julie Barbier-Leblan started her entrepreneurship journey in the Middle East as a finance lawyer and later founded Merit, a global engagement technology company. Merit helps enterprise clients engage internally with their employees and externally with customers using a suite of SaaS solutions and rewards. Building a strong network and partnerships is crucial for scaling a business in the MENA region. Julie decided to raise VC funding to support the growth and scalability of Merit, and she believes in having local and regional investors to educate the ecosystem. The Saudi 2030 vision and the shift towards a digital economy in the region present exciting opportunities for tech entrepreneurs. Transitioning from a founder to a leader requires adjusting and adapting to new roles and responsibilities. Choosing the right co-founder is crucial for scaling a company, but it's important to be cautious and ensure alignment of values and complementary skills. As a female founder, Julie faced resistance and bias, but she learned to stand up for herself and set boundaries. Self-awareness, embracing the journey, and not listening to those who tell you to slow down are key to success as an entrepreneur.
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1 year ago
37 minutes 58 seconds

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325 | From Organic To PE Growth How To Avoid Critical Mistakes With Steven Freidkin, CEO Of Ntiva
On this Episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Steven Freidkin, CEO of Ntiva Summary Steven Freidkin, CEO of Ntiva, shares his journey of scaling the company from 100 to 800 employees and $18 million to $170 million in revenue. The company's purpose is to grow each other, and they focus on automation, organic sales and marketing, and strategic acquisitions. Fragin discusses the challenges he faced at different revenue plateaus and the decision to seek private equity investment. He emphasizes the importance of finding the right partner who aligns with the company's purpose and values. Ntiva has experienced significant growth and success through their strategic investments and partnerships. Steven Freidkin shares his experience of partnering with private equity firms to scale his business and create meaningful jobs and opportunities. He emphasizes the importance of finding the right partner and aligning goals and expectations. He also discusses the importance of self-awareness as a CEO and the need to work oneself out of a job to support the growth of other leaders in the organization. He shares his mistakes and lessons learned, including the importance of using debt intelligently and making cultural fit a priority in acquisitions. He encourages founders and CEOs to know their intentions, communicate openly with investors, and focus on creating a positive impact in the world. Takeaways Scaling a company requires strategic investments in automation, sales and marketing, and acquisitions. Finding the right partner in private equity is crucial for growth and success. Revenue plateaus can be overcome by making major adjustments and focusing on the company's purpose. Having a clear purpose and values helps drive the company's growth and energizes the team. Ntiva's journey from $18 million to $170 million in revenue showcases the power of strategic investments and partnerships. Finding the right partner is crucial when partnering with private equity firms to scale a business. Self-awareness is important for CEOs to work themselves out of their job and support the growth of other leaders in the organization. Using debt intelligently and considering cultural fit in acquisitions can prevent costly mistakes. Clear communication and alignment of goals with investors is essential for long-term success. Focus on creating a positive impact and leaving a legacy in the world. Titles Finding the Right Partner in Private Equity Scaling a Company: From 100 to 800 Employees Aligning Goals and Communicating with Investors Creating a Positive Impact and Leaving a Legacy Sound Bites "I was getting paid to do the thing that I actually love to do." "We exist to grow each other, technology is simply the accelerator of that growth." "If something doesn't change, you need to sell this business." "There was a tremendous amount of alignment." "I'm always trying to work myself out of my job." "We exist to grow each other." Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 06:26 Forming Antiva and Early Growth 10:24 Strategic Investments: Automation, Sales and Marketing, Acquisitions 12:19 Seeking Private Equity Investment 16:41 Choosing the Right Partner in Private Equity 19:27 Growth with Private Equity and Second Capital Sponsor 23:05 Partnering with Private Equity 26:30 Working Yourself Out of a Job 29:38 Lessons Learned: Debt and Cultural Fit 34:58 Aligning Goals and Communicating with Investors 46:57 Creating a Positive Impact and Leaving a Legacy
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1 year ago
49 minutes 59 seconds

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234 | Why Are Go-To-Market Strategies Evolving Faster Than Ever | Chris Walker, CEO of Refine Labs
Chris Walker, the chairman of Refined Labs and CEO of Assetto, discusses his background in B2B companies and his new venture, Pesetto. He emphasizes the need for a new strategy in B2B marketing that focuses on profitability and efficiency. Chris also shares his vision for building an ecosystem of complementary B2B go-to-market technology and managed services. He talks about his transition from CEO to chairman and offers advice for others facing a similar stage in their careers. Key Takeaways "We need to figure out a new strategy for marketing that doesn't involve high volume lead generation." "There is a shift happening in the market where companies need to build a profitable, efficient growth and go-to-market engine." "The goal is to build a portfolio of complimentary specialized companies that handle different things from go-to-market operations, go-to-market strategy, analytics, advertising, content creation, website design, AI automated outbound." "We discuss the importance of having marketing, sales, customer success, and product aligned on the same page." "Content is one of the most effective channels to produce pipeline and generate conversations that might turn into opportunities, proposals, and deals." "A hybrid talent model inside a B2B company is the appropriate way to run most functions." Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 01:02 Chris's Career in B2B Companies 02:01 The Need for a New Strategy in B2B Marketing 04:38 Building a Data Structure for Informed Decision-Making 06:11 Creating an Ecosystem of Complementary B2B Go-to-Market Solutions 07:24 Transitioning from CEO to Chairman: Finding the Right Path 10:02 Understanding Your Leadership Strengths and Preferences
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1 year ago
45 minutes 38 seconds

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323 | From Chapter 11 Bankruptcy To Multi - Billion $ Company |Matthew J Desch, CEO Of Iridium
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Matthew J Desch, CEO of Iridium. Matt Desch, the CEO of Iridium, shares his journey of scaling the company from $15 million EBITDA to over $450 million EBITDA. He discusses the challenges and pivotal moments that shaped the growth of Iridium, including securing funding, building partnerships, and launching new products. Sound Bites "No one wins the Super Bowl or the World Cup or the Olympics without just a little bit of luck." "The more I practice, the luckier I get." "Find something you can do better than anyone else and specialize on that." "Doing something very unique, very differentiated" "Play a game you can win" "Team needs to be evolving as the company scales" Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background of Iridium 05:12 Taking Over as CEO and the Challenges Faced 08:12 Company Growth and Expansion 11:55 Subscription Revenue and IoT 16:25 Key Moments of Truth in Scaling Iridium 26:12 Importance of Team and Company Culture 28:21 Differentiation and Innovation 31:02 Building a Strong Team and Culture 37:07 Transitioning to a Listed Company 43:21 Managing Stress and Work-Life Balance
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1 year ago
57 minutes 25 seconds

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322 | Global Talent: A Competitive Edge for Your Business | Ian Myers, CEO of Oceans
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Ian Myers, CEO of Oceans. Key Takeaways: Finding Global Talent. Empowering employees all over the world. Lessons Learned building a global organization Why should a new Scaleup start hiring abroad.
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1 year ago
45 minutes 20 seconds

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321 | Leveraging personal brands to build a movement | Robin Daniels, CBO & Product Officer, Zensai
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Robin Daniels, CBO and Product Officer of Zensai. Key Takeaways: Personal Branding & Category Building. Building a movement with strong personal brands. How to break through the noise? Building the brand of Executive Team members How to bridge company branding, personal brands and category building to make your GTM
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1 year ago
53 minutes 39 seconds

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320 How To Decarbonize Your Company Alexis Normand, CEO At Greenly
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Alexis Normand, CEO at Greenly. Key Takeaways: - Raising a $52M B round in a downturn SaaS market - Scaling the GTM (Go to Market) organization - How to successfully succeed with inbound marketing - Content, Content & Content - Democratizing the access to carbon accounting - The carbon accounting platform that matches customer needs - Helping companies to reduce their CO2 emissions
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1 year ago
50 minutes 14 seconds

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319 | Accelerating Organic Growth After 88 M&A Deals With Colin Carvey |CEO Of Revedy
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Colin Carvey, CEO & Founder of Revedy Key Takeaways: The necessary creativity to be successful in business M&A to open markets and then accelerate them through organic growth The three ‘P’s’: People, Process and Prioritization How to successfully lead 88 M&A deals with Vacasa M&A to open markets and then accelerate them through organic growth The beauty of bootstrapping Revedy
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1 year ago
43 minutes 3 seconds

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318 How to become a stage 3 ceo | Rob Bier, Smooth Scaling Author
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Rob Bier, Smooth Scaling Author. Key Takeaways: - What not to do while creating a business - Rob’s definition of scaling— and how it differs from ‘growing’ - Why the final stage is the hardest one to reach - How to deal with complexity - How the CEO role evolves in each stage of growth - How do you know if you have a high performing team? #smooth #scaling #leadership
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1 year ago
54 minutes 18 seconds

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317 | From 0 To $30M | The Market Maker Revolution | John Than, Founder & CEO At Appficiency
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with John Than, Founder & CEO at Appficiency Key Takeaways: - Coming from Myanmar to Canada when Johnny was 3 years old; - Representing world class brands as McKinsey, Dun & Bradstreet, Salesforce, Netsuite; - The foundation and the why behind Appficiency - The market maker strategy - How to overcome growth plateaus - How to transform yourself as the CEO the company needs to scale in each stage
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1 year ago
52 minutes 18 seconds

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316 From 0 to 14.2M AUD (8.5M USD) in just 4 years | Kimal Singh, Founder & CEO at NDE Solutions
In this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Kimal Singh, Founder & CEO at NDE Solutions. Key Takeaways ‘The Art of the Start’ on bootstrapping mode: resilience and resourcefulness Focusing on the right ideal customer profile How to consider the difficult decision of hiring a CEO to keep scaling the company Lessons learned scaling up from 0 to $8,5M in just 4 years To leverage service business to fund your product business
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2 years ago
49 minutes 45 seconds

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315 AI Trends that CEOs Should Be Aware Of | Brett Martin, VC at Charge & Co-Founder at Kumospace
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Brett Martin, VC at Charge & Co-Founder at Kumospace . Key Takeaways Coping with being a Founder at Kumospace and a VC at Charge Tips to Manage in Person, Hybrid & Remote Teams How to connect more naturally in a virtual work environment AI trends that CEOs should be aware The future of work
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2 years ago
46 minutes 34 seconds

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314 Journey from an 80 to a 500-Person Team in 3 Years | Andrew Butt, CEO at Enable
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Andrew Butt, CEO at Enable Key Takeaways "Strategically Bootstrapping a Services Business to Fuel Product Organization Growth" "Scaling from the UK: The Natural Expansion into English-Speaking Markets" "Transatlantic Transition: Insights from Moving London to Silicon Valley" "Rapid Growth: Journey from an 80 to a 500-Person Team in 3 Years" "Fundraising Insights: Lessons Learned on the Path to Success" "Reinventing Rebates: Transforming Them into a Growth Engine" San Francisco vs. Silicon Valley: The Decision-Making Process Behind Settling Down"episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with
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2 years ago
53 minutes 45 seconds

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313 High Performing Multicultural Teams | Leo Bottary & Chris Zhuang
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Leo Bottary: Founder & Managing Partner at Peernovation, hailing from sunny San Diego, California, USA and Chris Zhuang: Account Leader at Adaptive Growth Solutions, bringing insights from vibrant Shanghai, China 🇨🇳, Asia Key takeaways What Peer Advisory Groups Can Teach Us About Building High Performing Teams The Power of Peers Leveraging diversity to improve innovation How to create a complementary team and create the conditions for people and teams to succeed Becoming a transcultural leader: no judgement and respect difference. The role of AI in leadership
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2 years ago
47 minutes 50 seconds

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312 Built to Sell, even if you don't want to | John Warrillow
On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with John Warrillow, Speaker and Author. Key Takeaways The art of selling your business How to build a company that can thrive without you What to do after selling your company The right timing to sell and scale How to increase the valuation of your company How to make your company sellable The different types of entrepreneurs and buyers What is the Switzerland structure and why is it important
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2 years ago
50 minutes 30 seconds

Scaleup Valley Podcast
In this episode of the Scaled Up Twilight podcast, Mike Dias interviews Lucas Lovell, VP of Product at Paddle. Lucas shares his unique journey from studying law in Australia to becoming a product leader in the tech industry. He discusses his experiences at Paddle, the importance of founder backgrounds in product management, and the skills necessary for transitioning from a founder to a VP role. The conversation highlights the significance of adaptability, empowerment, and the evolving nature of product management as companies scale. In this conversation, Mike Dias and Lucas discuss the challenges of cross-functional alignment in product and go-to-market functions, the impact of incentivization structures on decision-making, and the balance between passion and financial outcomes in leadership roles. They explore the evolving role of AI in product management, emphasizing the need for customer centricity despite the efficiencies AI brings. Lucas reflects on his career choices, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and growth. Takeaways The role of a VP of Product differs significantly from a PM. Metrics shift from product-focused to business-focused at the VP level. Collaboration across functions is essential for product success. Product leaders need a founder mindset to navigate silos. Cross-functional alignment is a maturity journey for companies. Clarity in strategy helps reduce friction among leaders. Incentivization structures can create misalignment between teams. Balancing passion and financial outcomes is crucial for leaders. AI is transforming product management by speeding up execution. Sound Bites "Paddle is a great place for founders." "Your primary artifact becomes strategy." "Why do we have such a lot of silos?" "Alignment on strategy is crucial." "We didn't have alignment on ICP." "We want to be more piratic." "Execution is becoming cheaper and faster." "AI is making PMs less customer centric." "Keep indexing towards learning."