This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by CAIA.nxt. Learn more about their alternatives education courses for investment advisors and get 10% off with code MMTEN: https://caia.org/content/welcome-monetary-matters-and-other-peoples-money-listeners Anatoly Crachilov, CEO and Co-Founder of Nickel Digital Asset Management, joins Other People’s Money to discuss why crypto is the perfect asset class for the multi-manager pod shop model. He also explains how Nickel is taking a “West Berlin” approach to partnering with external traders compared to the “East Berlin” approach of many traditional pod shops where non-competes and strict control of IP is the norm. He also discusses why 2025 has been a difficult year for crypto traders, how their team is managing the choppy markets, and how scaled up pods and incubation stage pods managed the extreme volatility in October. Follow Anatoly Crachilov on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anatoly-crachilov/ Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:38 CAIA.nxt 01:24 Multi-Manager Origin Story 03:12 No Central Book or Alpha Capture 04:32 Expanding Number of Pods 06:15 Technology Enabled Growth 10:09 Onboarding a New Pod 14:38 Benefits of Crypto's Infinite Divisibility 15:58 CAIA.nxt 16:54 Determining the Scalability of Strategies 18:03 Minimum & Maximum Pod Sizes at Scale 18:33 Measuring Risk Adjusted Returns 20:34 Pod Compensation and Fund Level Fees 24:43 Winning the War for Talent 29:29 Pods Can Be Independent Prop Shops and Single Managers 35:03 Demand for Crypto Multi-Manager Funds 39:02 Reducing Risk in Crypto with 3rd Party Settlement & Custodians 46:08 Crypto Still Has Low Liquidity 49:41 The Cost of Poor Trade Execution in Crypto 53:16 Current Environment for Crypto 58:22 Risk Management Adjustments in a Choppy Year 01:02:04 Different Testing Environments for New Pods 01:06:30 What Happens When a Scaled Pod Has a Drawdown? 01:09:35 Conclusion

Derek Pilecki’s hedge fund Gator Capital has outperformed the S&P 500, compounding at over 22% since inception while focusing exclusively on financial sector stocks. In this interview Derek discusses why he thinks recent concern in the financial sector is overblown, how he has grown his firm’s assets to over $300m, and why he believes that good performance is simply not enough to grow a successful hedge fund. Derek also discusses how he manages his mutual fund alongside his hedge fund and why he doesn’t see the vehicles as competing but serving two separate investor bases. Sign up for Gator Capital's distribution list: https://www.gatorcapital.com/ Follow Derek on X: https://x.com/gatorcapital Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

This is a special bonus episode of OPM with David Orr. In my first conversation with David, we only discussed his hedge fund that has crushed the S&P 500 since its inception in 2021. In addition to his hedge fund, he also runs the Militia Long/Short Equity ETF ($ORR) which since its inception in January 2025 has also beaten the S&P 500 running a similar but still distinct long/short strategy from the one he employs at his hedge fund. We discuss his unorthodox decision to launch the ETF when the hedge fund was going so well, how he is managing the different liquidity needs, his dual fiduciary duties, differing compliance realities, and the increased transparency of the ETF wrapper. Follow David Orr on X: https://x.com/orrdavid Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

This is a special previously unaired bonus episode of OPM with one of my most popular guests @hfreflection where we dive into the important topic of hedge fund compensation, with a particular focus on analysts and the investment team. How a hedge fund founder structures compensation and incentives for the investment team has a huge impact on the way investment research gets done. It can influence whether ideas are shared or hoarded and whether preventing mistakes is rewarded equally with finding new ideas. We also discuss when analysts should get points and how founders should deal with the reality that all analysts have different ideas about what they want their career path to look like. Follow HF Reflections on X: https://x.com/hfreflection Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHMax Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXMax Jeremy Boynton and Zach Lindquist, managing partners at Pure Crypto, have built one of the best performing crypto fund of funds since their inception 2018. In this interview they discuss their view that the crypto market structure is being changed by ETFs and crypto treasury companies, how they think about manager selection, the subtle differences between crypto VCs and crypto hedge funds, and why they are eschewing new entrants into the crypto fund space in favor of OGs who have managed capital and survived multiple market cycles. They also explain why they are volatility agnostic and prefer to take on crypto market beta rather than invest in market neutral and multi-manager crypto funds. Follow Zach Lindquist on X: https://x.com/PureCryptoLP Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod An investment in the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH) and VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX) may be subject to risks which include, among others, risks related to investing in the semiconductor industry, special risk considerations of investing in Taiwanese issuers, equity securities, small-, medium and large-capitalization companies, foreign securities, emerging market issuers, foreign currency, depositary receipts, issuer-specific changes, market, operational, index tracking, authorized participant concentration, new fund, no guarantee of active trading market, trading issues, passive management, fund shares trading, premium/discount and liquidity of fund shares, non-diversified, and index-related concentration risks, all of which may adversely affect the Fund. Small, medium and large-capitalization companies may be subject to elevated risks. Emerging market issuers and foreign securities may be subject to securities markets, political and economic, investment and repatriation restrictions, different rules and regulations, less publicly available financial information, foreign currency and exchange rates, operational and settlement, and corporate and securities laws risks. Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. An investor should consider the investment objective, risks, charges and expenses of a Fund carefully before investing. To obtain a prospectus and summary prospectus, which contain this and other information, call 800.826.2333 or visit vaneck.com. Please read the prospectus and summary prospectus carefully before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation

This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHMax Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXMax Since launching Militia Capital in 2021, David Orr has crushed the S&P 500 and is up over 500% net of fees. In fact, during this period, he’s one of few managers to have set the S&P 500 as the hurdle rate for the fund to earn performance fees. In this interview Orr discusses Militia Capital’s growth from $3m to over $160m today, the expansion of the strategy to include two additional external portfolio managers, and why he thinks most hedge fund managers have social media and compliance all wrong. He also discusses his investment philosophy and belief that most “value trap” investors and “story stock” investors don’t know the first thing about real investing. Follow David Orr on X: https://x.com/orrdavid Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod An investment in the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH) and VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX) may be subject to risks which include, among others, risks related to investing in the semiconductor industry, special risk considerations of investing in Taiwanese issuers, equity securities, small-, medium and large-capitalization companies, foreign securities, emerging market issuers, foreign currency, depositary receipts, issuer-specific changes, market, operational, index tracking, authorized participant concentration, new fund, no guarantee of active trading market, trading issues, passive management, fund shares trading, premium/discount and liquidity of fund shares, non-diversified, and index-related concentration risks, all of which may adversely affect the Fund. Small, medium and large-capitalization companies may be subject to elevated risks. Emerging market issuers and foreign securities may be subject to securities markets, political and economic, investment and repatriation restrictions, different rules and regulations, less publicly available financial information, foreign currency and exchange rates, operational and settlement, and corporate and securities laws risks. Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. An investor should consider the investment objective, risks, charges and expenses of a Fund carefully before investing. To obtain a prospectus and summary prospectus, which contain this and other information, call 800.826.2333 or visit vaneck.com. Please read the prospectus and summary prospectus carefully before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:31 $SMH & SMHX 01:21 Militia Capital’s Growth Into a Multi-Manager 04:57 Twitter & Social Media 07:33 Marketing & 506(c) Hedge Funds 11:11 Benchmarking to the S&P 500 15:00 Comparing to Large Multi-Manager Funds 17:11 VanEck Mid-Roll 18:06 Risk Managing Other PMs & Collaboration 20:06 David’s Investing Philosophy 27:36 Investors Who Don’t Know Anything 38:51 Market timing & the Current Environment 45:40 Trading Macro 48:14 Hunting For New Portfolio Managers 51:32 David’s Favorite Accounts on Twitter 54:04 Rethinking Compliance 57:52 Outro

This episode is brought to you by Fundamental Edge. Learn more about their new AI Academy for buyside professionals: https://www.fundamentedge.com/ai-academy Raj Shah and Cullen Rose of Stoic Point Capital Management join OPM to explore their winding path to scale and how adapting to the opportunities from the SPAC boom of 2021 brought them new investors and strategies. They also discuss how AI has drastically changed their investing process and their cost structure, the importance of negotiating and changing service providers, and why hedge fund marketing is an active endeavor. Follow Stoic Point Capital Management on X: https://x.com/stoic_point Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

Learn more about the new AI Academy from Fundamental Edge: https://www.fundamentedge.com/ai-academy There’s no shortage of speculation about how AI will reshape the workforce, but one area where no speculation is needed is the investment industry. AI is already rapidly disrupting the way investment professionals conduct fundamental equity research and shifting the competitive landscape for fund managers and talent alike. In this interview with Brett Caughran, founder of buyside training academy Fundamental Edge, and David Plon, co-founder and CEO of AI powered investment research platform Portrait Analytics join OPM to discuss the areas of the investment process where AI can already make an impact, the pitfalls and weaknesses of AI in its current state, how this is changing the job description for both portfolio managers and analysts, and the surprising reality that the first movers of AI adoption Follow Brett Caughran on X: https://x.com/FundamentEdge Follow David Plon on X: https://x.com/Dplon88 Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:25 The Rapid Pace of AI Advancements 07:15 How to Start Adding AI to Your Process 15:00 Thesis Monitoring and the Next Frontiers of AI Investment Research 18:45 Current Level of AI Adoption and First Movers in the Hedge Fund World 23:19 Importance of Clearly Defining Your Investment Process Before Adding AI 26:35 The Role of Specialty Investment Tools 29:49 Custom vs Off-The-Shelf Solutions 38:16 Thoughtful AI Prompting is Key 44:01 Biggest AI Pitfalls to Avoid 48:52 How Has AI Shifted the Competitive Landscape? 54:43 AI Investing Bootcamp

This episode is brought to you by Fundamental Edge, the leaders in buyside analyst training. Reserve your spot in their new AI Academy today: https://www.fundamentedge.com/ai-academy In the online community of FinTwit it is extremely common for hedge funders to have anonymous profiles because of strict regulations, but not all these anonymous profiles are made equal. @hfreflection is one of the most insightful anonymous members of the FinTwit community, especially when it comes to the business and industry of hedge funds. In this interview (while maintaining anonymity) HF reveals key aspects of his path to success and shares the insights he picked up on his journey from analyst to eventually launching his own firm after a long stint at a multi-billion dollar long/short equity manager. He touches on the hard decisions people face at different stages, whether you are a young professional trying to break into the industry, a mid-career analyst trying to find the right seat, or a seasoned professional deciding whether staying put or launching your own fund is the right path forward. Follow HF Reflections on X: https://x.com/hfreflection Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

Tor Svelland, CIO and Founder of Svelland Capital, has annualized over 18.5% net of fees since inception in 2017 in their strategy that trades a combination of commodity futures, commodity linked equities, freight derivatives, energy transition linked companies, and electricity producers. Svelland joins Other People’s Money to discuss why he believes new market participants and structural undersupply have made the current environment for commodities trading so exciting. He also discusses how he’s grown his business from personal capital to almost $1 billion in AUM with investors all over the globe. Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 04:09 Trafigura & Goldman Sachs as Commodities Trading Talent Hubs 06:38 Launching Svelland Capital with Personal Capital 09:03 The First Major Hurdles: 3 Years & $100m in AUM 10:56 ESG and the Commodity Market Backdrop 15:59 Underinvestment & Undersupply in Shipping & Commodities 20:41 Trading Global Supply Chains Shifts 23:44 Trade Expression & Commodities Portfolio Construction 29:06 The Effects of New Commodity Market Participants 36:06 TTF Gas Markets & Price Spike Potential 39:38 Multiple PMs & The Benefits of Taking Risk 42:05 Thinking Internationally & Advice for Young Commodities Traders 45:56 International Investor Interest in Commodities 48:00 Managing AUM Growth & Capacity Constraints

Donald Zilkha, founder of Zilkha Investments joins Other People’s Money to discuss how his deep-rooted DNA in banking and deal making has evolved into an investment strategy focused on deep research and engagement with management to affect change without upsetting the apple cart. He discusses how this strategy has evolved from single name SPVs to the commingled strategy he has today, case studies like Nathan’s Famous Hot Dogs, and why this classical style resonates with investors. Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:34 The Birth of Modern Banking in the Middle East 10:27 Evolution from Venture, to SPVs, to Drawdown, to Vanilla Equity 19:09 Engagement vs. Activism 27:17 Nathan's Famous Hot Dogs Case Study 33:05 Take Private Opportunities 35:55 Investing in a "Classical" Style 38:43 Talking About Process Instead of Positions 45:02 Value Investing in Tech and Old-Line Businesses 50:05 Team Continuity & Incentives 54:18 Marketing After 10+ Years

David Steinberg, founder and CIO of Marlowe Partners joins Other People’s Money to discuss why he believes the operational and capital raising side of the investment business is the most important factor in determining success. He also discusses how he is navigating the capital raising process with a focus on weeding out investors who are not a fit for his concentrated long-term investing style, how that long-term style affects his ability to use AI in the research process, and why it is important not to be too innovative with your investment terms. David would also like to highlight the importance of high quality service providers and has shared three service providers he would highly recommend to other investment professionals. For accounting services David uses: https://rsmus.com For outsourced compliance services David uses: https://www.salusgrc.com For legal services David uses: https://www.akingump.com/en Follow David on Twitter: https://x.com/PeterLakeSounds Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod 00:00 Intro 00:30 The Most Important Aspect of Investing 10:16 The Market for Concentrated Investing 13:47 Staying in the Game 17:45 Non-Standard Structures Are a Risk 19:41 New Structures for Individual Investors 27:11 Communicating Investing Process 34:28 Using AI to Cut Investment Research Costs 49:04 The Mission of $1B to $100B

This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHMax Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXMax Jon Caplis, CEO and founder at PivotalPath joins Other People’s Money to discuss how underreporting of data by the top tier of hedge funds is skewing the data that institutional investors use to make allocation decisions, resulting in undeservedly poor perception of the asset class, and significant underinvestment from institutional investors relying on allocation models. He argues that the top firms’ absence from most data sets has dragged industry wide return metrics down by approximately 400 basis points annually. Caplis also discusses how PivotalPath is combatting this data issue, the performance of hedge funds in 2025, and the mistakes many hedge funds make in communicating with institutional LPs that make up PivotalPath’s client base. Learn more about PivotalPath at https://www.pivotalpath.com/ Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod An investment in the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH) and VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX) may be subject to risks which include, among others, risks related to investing in the semiconductor industry, special risk considerations of investing in Taiwanese issuers, equity securities, small-, medium and large-capitalization companies, foreign securities, emerging market issuers, foreign currency, depositary receipts, issuer-specific changes, market, operational, index tracking, authorized participant concentration, new fund, no guarantee of active trading market, trading issues, passive management, fund shares trading, premium/discount and liquidity of fund shares, non-diversified, and index-related concentration risks, all of which may adversely affect the Fund. Small, medium and large-capitalization companies may be subject to elevated risks. Emerging market issuers and foreign securities may be subject to securities markets, political and economic, investment and repatriation restrictions, different rules and regulations, less publicly available financial information, foreign currency and exchange rates, operational and settlement, and corporate and securities laws risks. Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. An investor should consider the investment objective, risks, charges and expenses of a Fund carefully before investing. To obtain a prospectus and summary prospectus, which contain this and other information, call 800.826.2333 or visit  vaneck.com. Please read the prospectus and summary prospectus carefully before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation

This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHMax Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): vaneck.com/SMHXMAx Warren Pies, strategist and co-founder at 3Fourteen Research joins Other People’s Money to discuss how the market and economy are transitioning from a deflation to a debasement mindset. He explains why he’s bullish equities, expecting continued disinflation despite his longer-term debasement view, and expecting the Fed to cut 3 times before the end of the year while the economy avoids recession. Pies also looks back on his launching his first year as an ETF fund manager. Follow Warren on X: https://x.com/WarrenPies Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod An investment in the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH) and VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX) may be subject to risks which include, among others, risks related to investing in the semiconductor industry, special risk considerations of investing in Taiwanese issuers, equity securities, small-, medium and large-capitalization companies, foreign securities, emerging market issuers, foreign currency, depositary receipts, issuer-specific changes, market, operational, index tracking, authorized participant concentration, new fund, no guarantee of active trading market, trading issues, passive management, fund shares trading, premium/discount and liquidity of fund shares, non-diversified, and index-related concentration risks, all of which may adversely affect the Fund. Small, medium and large-capitalization companies may be subject to elevated risks. Emerging market issuers and foreign securities may be subject to securities markets, political and economic, investment and repatriation restrictions, different rules and regulations, less publicly available financial information, foreign currency and exchange rates, operational and settlement, and corporate and securities laws risks. Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. An investor should consider the investment objective, risks, charges and expenses of a Fund carefully before investing. To obtain a prospectus and summary prospectus, which contain this and other information, call 800.826.2333 or visit vaneck.com. Please read the prospectus and summary prospectus carefully before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation

Zach Levitt, CIO and Founder of Sixth Turn Capital and Opus One Asset Management joins Other People’s Money to discuss how he is standing up multi-manager platforms at just 25 years old by focusing on niche capacity constrained managers. Levitt discusses the benefits of combining uncorrelated capacity constrained strategies in a multi-manager platform, his unconventional path to founding a multi-manager platform, how mentorship has helped accelerate his growth, and how he goes about attracting talented investors to his platform. Follow Zach on X: https://x.com/derivative_bro Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:48 Skipping the Analyst Track and Founding a Hedge Fund at 25 07:14 Many Great Track Records Indicate Nefarious Information Was Traded On 09:42 What Does a Good Capacity Constrained Manager Look Like? 13:38 What Level of Correlation is "Uncorrelated" 18:20 What Level of Capacity is "Capacity Constrained"? 21:30 Mentorship Through Podcasts & Cold Outreach 26:13 Convincing Managers To Join Your Platform as a 25 Year Old 28:46 Investor Interest in SMAs vs Commingled Funds 35:25 Battling Startup Costs 39:06 Selling Talented Investors on Your Success Story 43:39 Risk Management and Cutting Portfolio Managers 47:38 Marketing "Hypothetical" Track Records 52:32 Next Stages of Growth 54:20 Assessing the Capacity Limits 57:17 Can PA Traders Become PMs?

Val Zlatev, Portfolio Manager and Senior Partner at hard tech specialist hedge fund Analog Century Capital Management joins Other People’s Money to discuss what he thinks investors still fail to appreciate about the secular growth of AI and semiconductors. He also discusses why DeepSeek was so misunderstood, other aspects of the AI supply chain, the state of the analog chip cycle, running long/short and market neutral strategies and garnering interest from the large multi-manager platforms. Learn More About Analog Century Capital Management: https://www.analogcm.com/ Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:15 What is Hard Tech? 02:41 The Evolution of the Hard Tech Sector From the 90s to Now 05:04 Investors Are Underweight Hard Tech 11:09 The Massive Impact of the End of Moore's Law 16:59 New Investment in Semiconductor Capacity 18:08 Why AI Should Be Compared to Cloud, Not Fiber 22:55 What Investors Got Wrong About DeepSeek 25:41 The US Government's Impact on AI & Chips 33:04 The Chinese Government’s Involvement in AI & Chips 35:13 Dominant Players in Chinese Semiconductor Market 39:12 The AI Supply Chain Beyond Semiconductors 43:53 Analog Semiconductors & Power Management 49:55 Winners, Losers, and Fakers in AI 57:03 Research Process for Hard Tech 01:01:25 Dispersion in Hard Tech Returns 01:03:31 Trading and Portfolio Construction at Analog Century 01:08:13 Market Neutral & Garnering Interest From Multi-Manager Platforms 01:12:20 Market Neutral vs Long/Short Investors 01:14:51 The Value of Partners and Team Continuity 01:16:42 Conclusion

Bob Robotti, legendary value investor and President and CIO of Robotti and Company Advisors, is one of a very select group of investors with a 30+ year track record of S&P 500 outperformance. Here he joins Other People’s Money to discuss long-term value investing, why he likes to invest in companies perceived to be facing headwinds, and his view that American based industrial companies are competitively advantaged for reasons completely unaffected by trade policy. He also discusses how he operates both an advisory business and a broker dealer business and how the broker dealer has served as a starting point for many other great value investors. Learn More About Robotti Advisors: https://advisors.robotti.com Follow Bob Robotti on X: https://x.com/BobRobotti Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:27 Patient Capital 08:05 Investing in Companies with Headwinds 12:13 Building Products Businesses 16:08 North American Industrial Advantage 22:41 Industries Returning to the USA 27:18 Valuing Businesses on Cost of Replacement 30:56 The Links Between Lumber, Building Products, and Housing 33:24 Engaging With Management in Long-term Positions 39:04 Trading Around Long-Term Positions 47:57 Buying Stocks After They've Gone Up 52:56 Trading Against Each Other 55:01 Having a Broker Dealer and Advisory Business 59:15 Jumping From the Sell Side to the Buy Side 01:04:08 Capital Churn 01:06:03 All US Equity Investors Should Compare Themselves to the S&P 500

The first 4 months of 2025 have been highly volatile hurting both equity and fixed income investors alike, but how has the “smart money” faired in this environment? Jack and Max breakdown the performance of hedge funds in Q1 and April of 2025 with data from Citco Fund Services and HFRI. They also discuss the recent moves by Yale and Harvard to sell some of their private equity stakes and other indicators that might signal trouble ahead for PE as an asset class. Follow Jack on X: https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M  Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi  YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod