Jen and Bridger finally sit down to share stories and reflections from the 2024 EMDRIA Conference — a few weeks (or months?) later than planned. From early-morning flights and beachside content shoots to laughter-filled dinners and deep professional reflections, this episode captures the whirlwind of being presenters, exhibitors, and community builders all at once. They talk candidly about what it was like to present Enactment-Focused EMDR for the first time, the energy of meeting listeners face-to-face, and their behind-the-scenes take on the polarizing buzz around EMDR 2.0. It’s part travelogue, part professional reflection, and all the reasons this work matters. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Bridger and Jen sit down with David Polidi, Bruce Hersey (Syzygy Institute), and Peggy Kolodny (Art Therapy Collective) to explore the forthcoming anthology IFS-Informed EMDR. Together, they unpack how EMDR’s eight phases can be enriched—not replaced—by Internal Family Systems (IFS), art therapy, and Jungian active imagination. You’ll hear:Why Bruce views the target as a part—and how that changes the way we conceptualize trauma work.How protectors vs. exiles organize around different types of energy (urge vs. disturbance).The emergence of Phase 2.5 / Discovery, bridging resourcing and processing.How art-making and active imagination safely access nonverbal, somatic memory.Bridger’s chapter, “A Window and a Mirror”, introducing the Somatic Integration and Processing (SIP) model for case conceptualization as an intersubjective, diversity-honoring map.This conversation is both practical and philosophical—an invitation to deepen precision, creativity, and compassion in trauma therapy. Preorder the book: IFS-Informed EMDR: Creative and Collaborative Approaches on Amazon Support the show: patreon.com/thinkbeyondhealing Trainings & consults: connectbeyondhealing.com → Trainings tab Follow: @Notice_That_Podcast See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Mosaic Enneagram (Limited Series) A five-part companion to a six-month consultation cohort for therapists, this series reimagines the Enneagram as a living mosaic across the head, heart, and gut. Grounded in the Nurtured Nature Personality Framework (NNPF), we explore how agency, bonding, and certainty shape our strategies for belonging and becoming. Each episode blends story and theory—moving from personal mistyping and “type rigidity” toward a more generous, triadic self-portrait. You’ll meet the Mosaic Discovery prompts, unpack tensions and coherence within your three centers, and end by crafting an honest self-narrative you can share with safe others. Whether you’re Enneagram-curious or clinically trained, come for language that honors complexity—and tools you can use right away. Ideal for: therapists, coaches, and reflective humans For more information, head over to our website. Series arc: Agency → Bonding → Certainty → Authentic Self-Narrative The Mosaic Enneagram reframes typology as a three-center mosaic (head/heart/gut) shaped by life in relationship. This episode sets the foundation: why single-type identity feels rigid, how “mosaics” increase nuance, and how the series will guide listeners toward an authentic self-narrative. Episode Thesis Personality makes the most sense when we track the interplay of agency (gut), bonding (heart), and certainty (head) across a lifetime—not as one fixed label but as a living pattern that can be named, tested, and refined in safe relationship. Segment-by-Segment OutlineWelcome & Purpose of the SeriesLimited series accompanying a 6-month therapist cohort.Practical application over theory-heavy NNPF, but grounded in it.From Pop Typology to Depth WorkHow people often meet the Enneagram (tests, pop content).Initial typing vs. lived complexity; why mistyping is common.Personal Origin StoriesEarly encounters with the Enneagram (tests, books, Rohr lectures).Relational context matters: partners/teams mirror what we can’t see.Limits of Single-Type ThinkingStress/growth paths and wings can still feel constraining.“Storying to fit” vs. noticing where the story doesn’t match behavior.Enter the MosaicThree centers = three core “vectors”:Agency (gut) – how we move/act/withhold actionBonding (heart) – how we seek/guard connectionCertainty (head) – how we make sense/secure meaningIdentify a dominant style in each center to form your mosaic.Lived Examples of ReframingReconsidering “type” after deeper relational observation.Why a social Five who “feels a lot” isn’t a contradiction.How a Nine-in-gut can steer major life decisions toward balance.Honest Self-Narrative as the GoalNaming strategies we use vs. what’s authentic.Why we need safe others to see ourselves clearly.What’s Next & HomeworkComplete the Mosaic Discovery prompts before Episode 2.Next episodes: Agency → Bonding → Certainty → Self-Narrative. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

New EMDR therapists often feel a gap between basic training and confident, real-world practice. In this conversation, Carol Miles, LCSW-BACS (trainer, consultant, and leader in the South Louisiana EMDR community) joins us to unpack why clinicians drop off after training—and what actually keeps EMDR alive in agencies and private practice. We cover:The five reasons clinicians stall out after basic training—confidence gaps, time/workload, organizational barriers (including insurance/90-minute sessions), cultural & ethical considerations, and keeping skills fresh.How relationships, community, and consultation bridge the “I learned it” → “I can do it” gap.Using WeMind’s EMDR practice avatars to build real-world confidence with complex presentations.What agencies and group practices can do to reduce barriers (scheduling, leadership buy-in, Medicaid/EBP support).EMDR’s “yes-and” posture—honoring standard protocol while integrating DBT skills, somatic work, intensives, and innovations like EMDR 2.0 (Ad de Jongh & Suzy Matthijssen).The field’s shift toward cultural humility and anti-racist practice, and why it matters for outcomes and equity.An invitation to Ad & Suzy’s New Orleans training on Oct 24–25, 2025 (live + virtual) on complex trauma, dissociation, and personality disorders. Whether you’re fresh from Part 2 or years into EMDR, this episode will help you practice with confidence, find (or build) the right community, and keep your skills both ethical and current. Guest: Carol Miles — trainer, consultant, and host of the South Louisiana EMDR Regional Network • https://carolmiles.com Don't forget to check out the training Carol mentioned with Ad de Jongh and Suzy Matthijssen, hosted in person in New Orleans with virtual seat options available. Head over to Carol's website for more details. Also, if you're interested in the training Jen talked about in the intro with Sarah Butler, check out the event page here: Understanding Intensive EMDR and use the promo code BEYOND55 for 20% off! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

EMDR 2.0: A Conversation with Suzy Matthijssen & Ad de Jongh Recorded live at the EMDRIA conference, Bridger and Jen sit down with the developers of EMDR 2.0, Suzy Matthijssen and Ad de Jongh. Together, they explore how intensive trauma treatment, working memory taxation, and reconsolidation theory are shaping the next generation of EMDR. From four-sessions-a-day protocols to online innovations born during COVID, this conversation brings cutting-edge clinical research into dialogue with the everyday realities of client care. Summary In this special conference episode of Notice That, Jen and Bridger interview Suzy Matthijssen and Ad de Jongh, two of the leading voices behind EMDR 2.0. The conversation moves between history, research, and practice, offering clinicians a front-row seat to the evolution of trauma treatment. Key Themes:Origins of Intensive Trauma Treatment Suzy and Ad describe how intensive models—four sessions a day across multiple days—emerged from working with treatment-resistant clients and evolved further during the pandemic into effective online formats.The Science of EMDR 2.0 They outline three core pillars:Activation – ensuring traumatic memories are fully brought into working memory.Taxation – increasing working memory load through diverse tasks (eye movements, spelling, music interference, etc.) to reduce vividness and emotionality.Motivation – equipping clients to actively engage in bringing memories forward rather than passively relying on the therapist.Reconsolidation vs. Suppression The guests emphasize the importance of ensuring memories are altered and reconsolidated—not avoided or suppressed. Special techniques like blind-to-therapist protocols and flash-forward work help clients stay engaged while navigating shame, fear, or anticipatory anxiety.Rethinking Stabilization EMDR 2.0 challenges the assumption that long stabilization phases are necessary. Instead, therapists are encouraged to begin trauma processing sooner while maintaining attunement and supporting clients within their window of tolerance.The Future of EMDR Suzy and Ad share their vision of expanding EMDR beyond PTSD guidelines into personality disorders, depression, and anxiety—arguing that wherever intrusive memories or imagery are at the core of symptomatology, EMDR should play a central role. This episode highlights how EMDR 2.0 builds on the original eight-phase protocol while integrating decades of research, pointing toward a future where trauma treatment is more efficient, intensive, and broadly applied. If you want to learn more about EMDR 2.0, head over to www.enhancingtraumatreatment.com See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Notice That, Bridger and Jen continue the Back to Basics series by exploring the ever-expanding landscape of EMDR protocols. Why are there so many? Do we really need a new protocol for every presentation, or are there deeper themes that connect them all? We discuss:The difference between the standard 8-phase protocol and the many specialized variationsCommon themes across protocols, such as the three-pronged approach (past, present, future), dual attention, and externalizationHow to discern when to use a specialized protocol and when to trust your clinical creativity within the standard frameworkWhy case conceptualization is more powerful than memorizing endless techniquesWhether you’re new to EMDR or a seasoned clinician, this episode will help you feel less overwhelmed by the “protocol overload” and more confident in your ability to adapt EMDR to your clients’ unique needs. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode of Notice That, Bridger and Jen reconnect after a summer hiatus, weaving personal updates with professional developments that have defined their recent months. Highlights include:Summer Life & New Beginnings – From extended family time and outdoor writing sessions to the surprise timing of Willa Jean’s birth during an EMDR basic training, they share stories that set the tone for a season of growth and transition.Book Development – They offer a behind-the-scenes look at their collaborative process for The Relational Thread, including how they balance poetic relational writing with research-driven legitimacy, structure chapters, and aim to make dense concepts approachable for any clinician.Enactment-Focused EMDR – A preview of their upcoming EMDRIA conference presentation, exploring how enactments reveal the “space between” attachment wounds and why modifying EMDR protocol to center relational dynamics can deepen healing. They outline the theory, the three-layered strategy framework, and the role of the therapeutic relationship as both a mirror and a practice ground for change.Bringing it All Together – Both the book and the EF-EMDR protocol grow from the same root: a commitment to address the gaps in EMDR literature, elevate the role of relationship, and invite clinicians into creative, responsive work that goes beyond scripts. Listeners will leave with a richer understanding of enactments, practical insight into relationally informed EMDR, and a peek at what’s to come in their training and writing projects. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What happens when EMDR and play therapy collide? In this episode, Bridger and Jen sit down with Christine Mark-Griffin—EMDR child therapist, trainer, and author of The EMDR Workbook for Kids—to explore the art and science of bringing EMDR to children and families. Together they unpack the power of play as a language for healing, how to work with parents as co-regulators, and why case conceptualization is key for working with kids in ongoing trauma. From Roblox as a safe place to the sacred vulnerability of a child pointing to a doll, this conversation invites therapists to join the world of the child—rather than asking the child to join ours. Whether you’re new to working with kids or ready to deepen your practice, Christine’s insights will leave you inspired to bring more creativity and compassion into your EMDR work. 🎧 Listen now to discover why Christine calls EMDR a superpower for kids—and why we desperately need more EMDR child therapists in the world. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Explore how EMDR works by engaging the brain’s networks—salience, default mode, and central executive—in this deep dive into trauma and modern neuroscience.

This episode explores how EMDR impacts the brain’s core networks—working memory, salience detection, and autobiographical processing—to transform trauma through bilateral stimulation, cognitive load, and therapeutic presence.

In this episode, we sit down with Dana Carretta Stein to explore what it means to be fully human in the therapy room, unpacking the power of therapist authenticity, intersubjectivity, and relational presence in EMDR.

In this episode, we talk with EMDR therapist and author Mark Nickerson about how cultural identity, social bias, and internalized oppression shape the therapy process—and how EMDR can support healing through a lens of cultural humility and self-awareness.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Derek Farrell to explore the past, present, and future of EMDR, challenging the field’s insularity and advocating for a more integrated, accessible, and academically grounded approach to trauma healing worldwide.

In this episode, we explore what it would mean to practice EMDR as a fully somatic therapy, redefining trauma, regulation, and healing through the lens of the body.

This episode explores how EMDR, Somatic Integration and Processing (SIP), and case conceptualization can transform therapy by reframing symptoms as adaptive strategies, deepening relational attunement, and building a shared language for both clients and clinicians.

Curious about how EMDR and Somatic Experiencing can work together? In this episode of Notice That, we explore the integration of these two modalities, the challenges and rewards of blending them, and how they can enhance trauma therapy

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger sit down with Kristine Mark-Griffin for a discussion on working with children using EMDR

Listen in to hear Jen, Melissa, and Bridger talk about their relationship over the past five years in starting Beyond Healing and embracing authenticity and humanness through it all. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ring in the New Year with Jen and Bridger from the Notice That Podcast

An insightful conversation with Danielle Ciccone and Michele Topel about the groundbreaking integration of EMDR therapy and ketamine, exploring its development, neurobiology, and transformative impact on trauma healing.