In this episode, Bridger and Jen sit down with David Polidi, Bruce Hersey (Syzygy Institute), and Peggy Kolodny (Art Therapy Collective) to explore the forthcoming anthology IFS-Informed EMDR. Together, they unpack how EMDR’s eight phases can be enriched—not replaced—by Internal Family Systems (IFS), art therapy, and Jungian active imagination. You’ll hear:Why Bruce views the target as a part—and how that changes the way we conceptualize trauma work.How protectors vs. exiles organize around different types of energy (urge vs. disturbance).The emergence of Phase 2.5 / Discovery, bridging resourcing and processing.How art-making and active imagination safely access nonverbal, somatic memory.Bridger’s chapter, “A Window and a Mirror”, introducing the Somatic Integration and Processing (SIP) model for case conceptualization as an intersubjective, diversity-honoring map.This conversation is both practical and philosophical—an invitation to deepen precision, creativity, and compassion in trauma therapy. Preorder the book: IFS-Informed EMDR: Creative and Collaborative Approaches on Amazon Support the show: patreon.com/thinkbeyondhealing Trainings & consults: connectbeyondhealing.com → Trainings tab Follow: @Notice_That_Podcast See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.