Listen to Christopher Copeland on Fathoms In this episode, we talk to Sandra C. Smith, an Enneagram teacher, about her new book, The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type. [2:44] Getting to know Sandra through summer-themed questions [8:26] Sandra’s personal journey with the Enneagram [12:19] Sandra’s teachers, their influences on her and how they show up in her book [17:16] Defining type and why is understanding that you’re more than and not just your type is important for your growth [25:37] How Sandra’s strengths show up as she wrote her book [29:19] The dualities of the types [41:39] This yearning to open ourselves to more of what we are [47:21] Prompt for each type to help them reframe and move beyond their own limited perspective [52:24] Why we should buy Sandra’s book and where they can buy it Follow Sandra’s work: Alchemy Works // @sandrasmithalchemyworks // Heart of the Enneagram Podcast // “The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type” — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Serious Work for Unserious Humans.” — Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Support our podcast: https://fathomspodcast.com/support Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @_creekmore Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Sandra and Chris reflect on the wisdom gleaned from leaders in Season 6 and offer an overview of the gifts and sensibilities of each Enneagram type as it relates to leadership.

Join Sandra and Chris as they talk with Vance Brown, who leads with Enneagram type Three.  Vance shares the ways in which his type shows up in his leadership role as a high-tech CEO.

Learn about the gifts and challenges of a type Eight leader as Chris and Sandra talk with non-profit co-director and NC Senator Julie Mayfield.

Listen as Chris and Sandra talk with Bill Toth who leads with Enneagram type Six. Bill shares how his Enneagram type has influenced the ways in which he leads in his diverse professional background in global security.

 How do a type One and type Three co-lead a team?  Find out as Chris and Sandra talk with Elizabeth Sawin & Drew Jones, Co-founders of Climate Interactive. Beth and Drew share the insights they have gleaned from years of co-leading and how their leadership styles relate to their Enneagram Types. 

Micky ScottBey Jones, a womanist, faith-rooted contemplative activist, movement chaplain, nonviolence practitioner, and justice doula, shares how her leadership is informed and impacted by her Enneagram Type 1.

Sandra and Chris reflect on the wisdom gleaned from elders in Season 5 and ask each other what they would say to their 25 year old self.

Sandra Maitri shares her wisdom of eastern and western spiritualities and her journey learning the Enneagram in the 1970s from Claudio Naranjo and leading with type Two.

Jeanette Stokes shares how the Enneagram has influenced her understanding of her vocational journey resourcing women in ministry.

Sheryl Cohen reflects on her experience of the Enneagram as a clinical psychologist and spiritual seeker.

Chris and Sandra talk with Billy Vaughn, a retired member of the faculty at Memphis Theological Seminary, about the gift of Enneagram Type 9 and how he has worked with it over his life.

Barbara Brown Taylor is the New York Times bestselling author of An Altar in the World, Learning to Walk in the Dark, and Holy Envy: Finding God in the Faith of Others. She has been an Avon lady, a cocktail waitress, a horseback riding instructor, and a hospital chaplain, but her favorite job was teaching world religions at Piedmont College for twenty years before putting the chalk down in 2017. She now divides her time between writing, speaking, and caring for the land on which she lives. Barbara and her husband Ed tend a small farm in the foothills of the Appalachians.

In the first episode of our season elder wisdom, Professor Emeritus Luther E. Smith, Jr. offers reflections about spirituality, racism, justice, and leading life as an Enneagram Type 9.

In this final episode of Season 4, Chris and Sandra reflect on a question about what it means to know that all Enneagram types are inherently worthy and have access to abundance, which allows all of us to have an Open Heart.

Sandra and Chris explore a question about how type changes over time by interviewing two guests at different life stages who both lead with type 4 - Asher Walker-Wilson and Ed Hillman.

Those who are learning about the Enneagram often ask, "I know my type - now what?" Sandra and Chris talk about practices for each of the Enneagram types that help engender growth by moving counter-instinctively.

Sandra and Chris explore the intersection of the Enneagram with race and culture in conversation with guest, Kevin Young, employee relations manager at the Biltmore Company in Asheville, NC.

Chris and Sandra dispel some of the common misunderstandings of Enneagram types, in order to help deepen our knowledge of the Enneagram and shift away from stereotyping.

Sandra and Chris talk about the look alike types of the Enneagram to help listeners distinguish between and discern their type.