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Good Neighbour
Jesse Sudirgo
31 episodes
1 day ago
Based in the city of Toronto, our conversations touch on the intersection of faith and the margins of society. We explore how the church can effectively engage the current realities experienced by those most vulnerable and we delve into a public theology that embodies what it is to be good neighbour.
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Based in the city of Toronto, our conversations touch on the intersection of faith and the margins of society. We explore how the church can effectively engage the current realities experienced by those most vulnerable and we delve into a public theology that embodies what it is to be good neighbour.
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Christianity
Religion & Spirituality
Episodes (20/31)
Good Neighbour
Land Acknowledgements, Orange Shirt Day and Virtue Signaling (with Dr. Mike Hogeterp)

On the National Day of Truth and Reconciliation, we honour the children who never returned home, the Survivors of residential schools, and their families—wearing orange shirts, observing silence, and acknowledging the land we live on. Yet sometimes it feels like performance. Can these gestures move beyond checkboxes and virtue signaling to true transformation? In this episode, I sit with Dr. Mike Hogetorp, facilitator for the Canadian Learning Community for Decolonization and Innovation in Theological Education with NAIITS, to explore how we can enter these rituals with sincerity, humility, and a willingness to be unsettled, taught, and changed—asking what it really takes to cultivate right relationship and authentic reconciliation.

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3 weeks ago
47 minutes 12 seconds

Good Neighbour
From Tokenism to Shared Ownership (with Angie Hocking)

Are we really giving people a voice, or just the illusion of one?

This episode dives into the tension between tokenism and true participation in community work. We look at what it takes to move beyond traditional charity models toward real collaboration—where power is shared, not hoarded. Through the story of the Toronto Underhoused and Homeless Union (TUHU), we explore both the wins and the struggles of creating spaces where people experiencing homelessness can shape the decisions that impact their lives. Along the way, we unpack what this means for food banks, church outreach, and any program that wants to move past symbolic inclusion toward authentic, empowering community.

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1 month ago
43 minutes 27 seconds

Good Neighbour
Practicing Presence (with Dr. Rachel Tulloch)

In this episode, my guest from Sanctuary Ministries of Toronto shares the heart and mission of their work. We delve into what it truly means to create a space of belonging for those marginalized in society. Our conversation covers the intrinsic value of relationships, the challenge of balancing efficiency with genuine connection, and the importance of community over programs. We also discuss the unique dynamics of being a faith-based organization amidst the pressures of urban development and societal expectations. Tune in for a deep exploration of how intentional presence and patience can transform a community.

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1 month ago
59 minutes 54 seconds

Good Neighbour
Embodied Worship (with Dr. Kenneth Wallace Jr.)

This episode explores the powerful connection between our physical experiences and spiritual worship. I'm joined by Dr. Kenneth Wallace Jr., a Professor, Formationalist and ordained worship pastor with Street Psalms. Together, we discuss the significance of engaging all our senses in worship, the role of physical experiences in our faith, and how community work can deepen our spiritual connection. This episode sheds light on how worship extends beyond traditional music and cognitive practices, encompassing a holistic and embodied approach to connecting with God. Whether it's through beading, gardening, or the smell of incense, discover how embracing the physical elements of life can lead to a more profound and integrated worship experience.

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1 month ago
51 minutes 34 seconds

Good Neighbour
Faith with Substance (with Lorraine Lam and Steve MacDouell)

In this episode, I explore the intersections of faith, harm reduction, and personal transformation with my guests Lorraine Lam and Steve MacDouell. We go below the surface and consider how our theology impacts our views on the speed and likelihood of human transformation. The conversation covers the challenges and importance of harm reduction, how faith communities can engage with this approach, and the complex interplay between individual actions and systemic changes. Through personal stories and thoughtful analysis, the episode highlights the importance of compassion, community support, and policy advocacy in addressing the multifaceted issues surrounding substance use and addiction.

00:00 Introduction to Healing and Transformation04:19 Understanding Harm Reduction06:31 Historical Perspectives on Addiction08:38 The Role of Environment in Addiction12:25 Challenges of Punishment and Prohibition17:20 Faith Communities and Harm Reduction22:07 The Complexity of Harm Reduction23:09 Personal Stories and Reflections41:30 Reevaluating Drug Use and Church Teachings42:23 The Church's Struggle with Substance Users43:40 Fear and Proximity in Addressing Substance Use44:38 The Divide Between City and Suburban Perspectives46:55 The Role of Harm Reduction Spaces50:54 The Church's Role in Policy and Justice01:01:15 Finding Hope Amidst Disappointment

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1 month ago
1 hour 17 minutes 47 seconds

Good Neighbour
Hacking the Script: Vernacular Resistance in Structured Spaces (with Ahmeda Mansaray-Richardson)

I'm joined by Ahmeda Mansaray-Richardson for a rich conversation on what it means to speak and live authentically in spaces shaped by conformity. From her upbringing in West Africa to her work in development and theological education, Ahmeda shares how using one's vernacular—the language of lived experience—is a radical act of self-preservation and resistance.

Together, we explore:

  • The unspoken scripts that govern professional and social interactions
  • The tension between institutional expectations and personal identity
  • The power of code-switching and cultural nuance
  • The importance of hacking systems to maintain human connection
  • Why staying rooted in your story and voice matters


This episode is a call to reclaim your voice, resist erasure, and embody your faith and identity with courage.

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2 months ago
1 hour 15 minutes 1 second

Good Neighbour
When Care Isn't Neutral (with Aleke Dekker & Hector Acero Ferrer)

In this convo, my friends Aleke and Hector join me to unpack how vocation is shifting—especially in the social sector. We get into why fewer people are pursuing pastoral ministry and why more are moving toward health, wellness, and counseling.

We talk about:

·       How ideas of “calling” are evolving

·       Mixing spirituality with professional work

·       The tension between confidence and curiosity

·       How culture, identity, and personal history shape our work

It’s honest, thoughtful, and full of real-life stories from peoplenavigating these spaces every day.

If you’re in social work, ministry, or just wondering how toconnect your purpose with your job in the social sector—this one’s for you. 💬✨

#Vocation #Calling #SpiritualCare #SocialSector #FaithAndWork#Deconstruction #Counseling #Intersectionality #Purpose #PastoralMinistry

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2 months ago
1 hour 6 minutes

Good Neighbour
Community-Centred Safety - Part 2 (feat. Greg Paul)

Join us as we continue our conversation with Greg Paul, a passionate advocate for marginalized communities in downtown Toronto. Together, we explore how we can reimagine social services to prioritize human connection, mutual care, and shared safety over agency-centered frameworks. What does it mean to create systems that reflect the humanity of all involved? This episode challenges us to rethink safety as a shared responsibility, fostering trust and support for everyone in the community.

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11 months ago
32 minutes 14 seconds

Good Neighbour
Hospitality from the Margins - Part 1 (feat. Greg Paul)
Sanctuary Toronto is at the forefront of street-level outreach in Toronto. Throughout the pandemic, they have faced incredible challenges, one of which is the dissolving and fragmented sense of community on the streets. With indoor spaces closed, subway benches roped off, park encampments destroyed, you wonder if the homeless have any spaces in which they could welcome you. Hospitality assumes that you have a space or a community to invite people into. And of course, they exist, but when the urgent and acute emergencies of street life dominate such a community, you don't have the extra space or margin to cultivate community. You got to stop the bleeding. You cut the chit-chat and get straight to the point and meet the need. Given the aftermath and ongoing struggles of the pandemic, communities like Sanctuary Toronto are presented with limited options to sustain the primacy of community in their practice. When key community members are literally dying in high numbers before you, it's hard to keep up with the ideals of a relationship-driven ministry. This is the first part of an interview I had with Greg Paul, where we begin discussing the oscillation that occurs between being a community or an agency in this season of ministry.
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3 years ago
32 minutes 19 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 3: Conan, Improv and the Art of Discernment (feat. Scott Moore)

If there's one thing I've learned from Conan O'Brien, it's how to lean into the absurdities of life, to embrace the moments of surprise and keep pace with where it may lead. In a climate that demands preplanned strategies and fully detailed scripts, I wonder whether we are more focused on training our young leaders to execute a set agenda rather than equipping them to discern. While it may be easier to give them a script to read, the craft of improvisation may prove to be the best way to navigate the exceptional margins of society. In a space filled with pain, chaos and excitement, templates may bring a semblance of order, but the intuition of discerning sojourners may go a lot further. In this episode, I end my 3 part conversation with the Director of Youth Unlimited GTA, Scott Moore, where we discuss the role discernment plays in the way we plan and execute programs in the community. We talk about what it means to incorporate the Spirit in our methods and strategies and how we might do this together as a collective entity. 

Please do check out the great work of Youth Unlimited GTA!  

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3 years ago
31 minutes 30 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 2: Should we be Measuring Transformation? (feat. Scott Moore)

What would you think is the single most important issue to tackle in this world? If you were given a blank canvas and asked to figure this question out, where would you begin? In this episode, we look at how economists approach this question and investigate alternative, more subjective methods to gather and analyze the experiences and data of how things are going in our programs and communities. Specifically, we look at the emerging phenomenon in the social sector to measure the transformation of participants and the community they seek to serve. How precise do we need to be when it comes to gauging human transformation?   

In this episode, I continue my conversation with Scott Moore, the Executive Director of Youth Unlimited GTA (YUGTA) and discuss his experience both developing and deconstructing a measurement tool that sought to gauge the level of transformation occurring within YUGTA's programs. This is the second of a three-part conversation I had with him. 

Feel free to check out the great work being done at Youth Unlimited GTA. https://www.yugta.ca/

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3 years ago
29 minutes 45 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 1: Jack-of-a-few-specialized-trades, master of…? (feat. Scott Moore)
When you look at job postings in the social sector, I think you'll notice an increased demand for those with some kind of specialization or credential. You rarely see postings that seek out a jack-of-all-trades. In this episode, I speak with Scott Moore, the Executive Director of Youth Unlimited Toronto, to get into the nuanced distinctions between specialists and generalists in the non-profit arena. One could say that we live in a day of specialists, people who provide a specific value add to the church or organization. In categorizing our programs and ministries, we need people who can fit nicely into those boxes to increase our impact on those targeted goals. But amidst this gradual shift, how do generalists find a place in this increasingly professionalized social sector? What gap is left when generalists are not valued as much as their specialized colleagues? How much should we factor in the person's calling and passion when it comes to community building? We obviously want someone to be qualified and trained, but how much specialization do we need when it comes to the social arena? And how much of the way we view specialization is dictated by a corporate and industrial worldview? This is the first of a three-part series with Scott where we delve into all sorts of organizational values that have guided his team throughout the years. Please check out the great work of Youth Unlimited Toronto! 
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3 years ago
23 minutes 9 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 2: Commodifying Community Development (feat. Dr. Agnes Thomas)
Today's episode is about surplus. I feel like the Bible has a lot to say about storing things up for later. The Bible almost promotes this ‘eat now and don't worry about tomorrow’ kind of thinking, which sounds pretty irresponsible right? But what if actions, that only have impact for the moment, that don't have a multiplying effect, acts that no one sees, that no one catagloues for a newsletter, what if our acts of service was an ends to itself. These hidden acts occur regularly within the social sector, but what I’ve come to realize is that the acts that really get attention and reward are the ones that produce surplus, it's the acts of service that have a muliplying effect and create broader impact. And that completely makes sense in a capitalistic mindset. But what do you say to a community worker when they put in countless hours investing their time and labour into being present with a street youth who has been through unimaginable trauma. In a market-centred mindset, the cost-benefit analsysis doesn't add up. The outcomes don’t correspond to the investment. In our day, the expectation is to do more with less. Not to do seemingly less with more. But when you work in the margins, when you work with the exception to the rule, efficient strategies, ones where you try to do more with less don’t always pan out. In today’s episode, I continue my conversation with Dr. Agnes Thomas, the Director of Catholic Crosscultural Services. We discuss these questions further and seek a way forward that acknowledges the wide spectrum of actions that impact the people we serve. You can learn more about Catholic Crosscultural Services at https://www.cathcrosscultural.org/
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3 years ago
28 minutes 23 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 1: Commodifying Community Development (feat. Dr. Agnes Thomas)

Asset-Based Community Development is a powerful movement that has shifted the paradigm of so many attempting to work for social change. In reflecting upon my experiences in this framework, I realized the subtle ways the market and the vocabulary of capitalism infiltrate such beautiful values. In my conversation with Dr. Agnes Thomas, the Executive Director of Catholic Cross-Cultural Services, we work through these important questions to discover the discrete ways community development has been commodified to maximize impact in the social arena.

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3 years ago
30 minutes 33 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 3: Church as Neighbour, Family and Kingdom (feat. Tim Day)
In thinking through modern interpretations of progress and excellence, Tim and I discuss the role the church plays in navigating the private and public spaces of society. Is there an ideal system in which the church should situate itself in? Does the church simply transcend and suspend above the systems of this world? Does in embed itself in all? How does kingdom, family and neighbour work itself out through the church?
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4 years ago
29 minutes 3 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 2: Systems are not our Salvation (feat. Tim Day)
Have you ever had to set boundaries with a close friend or a family member? In such relationships, there's an intimacy and a trust, yet there's also unspoken parameters. In the social sector, where depressions, loss and victories are shared between clients and professionals or staff and supervisors, the line between intimacy and professionalism is always shifting. In this episode, Tim Day, national director of Waybase, helps us to orient the way three human systems determine our expectations in a community. Whether it be a system based on competency (weak serve the strong), a family system (strong serve the weak) or an individualists system (serve the self), they each contain an expected mode of behaviour that does not translate between systems. Tim lays out what occurs when we esteem one system above the rest.
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4 years ago
22 minutes 2 seconds

Good Neighbour
Part 1: Preoccupied with Efficiency? (Feat. Tim Day)
In this episode, we discuss the role that strategic thinking, big data and metrics play in the human dimensions of care. In other words, how do ivory town ideas engage with matters on the frontlines. I'm joined by Tim Day, the Director of National Engagement at Waybase to understand the way he intersects big data with the tangible realities on the ground. Waybase is an online tool whose vision is to enable Christian ministries and individuals to work together more effectively to improve people’s lives and communities. Their focus is to create “impact networks" by offering easy-to-use, data-powered digital tools that highlight causes in local communities, that are able to support local events where leaders can collaborate together, measuring impact, and providing analytical insights.  In this conversation, we probes deep into the underlying assumptions that support this kind of approach. I ask whether measurements and data-driven strategies really address the complexity and nuance of those who fall through the cracks? Aren't these the very people who are the rarity or the exception that fail to fit into standardized solutions that these big picture tools create?  This is the first part of a series of episodes I will have around this topic with Tim. Hope you enjoy!
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4 years ago
31 minutes 59 seconds

Good Neighbour
Unity as Witness (feat. Rick Tobias)

As we consider what it is to be a good neighbour to the general public, particularly those on the margins, this episode asks us to consider what it is to be a neighbour WITHIN the church. As divisions continue to grow amidst our polarized world, it seems necessary to consider how the church can lean upon the words of Christ to find a route towards unity within. Unity might not be the sexiest topic out there, but it sure is necessary for our day. I talk with my good friend and mentor, Dr. Rick Tobias, where we explore the parting words of Jesus in the book of John and how he lays out the missional significance of being unified as one body. This is the last episode of our first season of Good Neighbour Podcast. If you don't catch the ending of this episode, please know how thankful I am for each of you who took the time to listen to these episodes. I hope it was able to stimulate some ideas and conversations in your spheres of influence. Please be sure to look out for our second season in the coming months and click on our social media links (youtube, facebook and Instagram) to view highlight clips of past episodes.


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4 years ago
1 hour 8 minutes 27 seconds

Good Neighbour
Serving and Being Served (feat. Dion Oxford)
As the former director of a busy men's shelter downtown, my guest Dion Oxford is familiar with the nuances of servant leadership. But as you'll hear in this episode, Dion's battle with MS (Multiple Sclerosis) has gradually given him new perspectives on power, empathy and what it means to BE served. In this episode, we discuss what it means to be friends with clients, we explore institutional limitations for care and what incarnation looks like for people who are not familiar with pain.  Dion is now a certified spiritual director and regularly meets with people who want to talk about their lives through a spiritual lens and he writes an honest and insightful blog which he contributes to regularly.  Video clips of this episode will be uploaded shortly. 
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4 years ago
56 minutes 22 seconds

Good Neighbour
Post-Reconciliation: What happens after forgiveness (Reflections)

These are my reflections on reconciliation and the aftermath of forgiveness (via Miroslav Volf). Too often, we fail to realize how much a conflict has impacted our relationships. How we nurture relationships AFTER a conflict is paramount to our desires for reconciliation. We can be distant or we can lean in. In this video, I attempt to articulate a post-reconciliation reality that assumes that peace will always be at arm's length no matter how close we think we are.

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4 years ago
14 minutes 49 seconds

Good Neighbour
Based in the city of Toronto, our conversations touch on the intersection of faith and the margins of society. We explore how the church can effectively engage the current realities experienced by those most vulnerable and we delve into a public theology that embodies what it is to be good neighbour.