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‘Crimes Against Art’ welcomes special guest Ella, who joins host Michelle for another wrap up of the art world’s latest shenanigans. Michelle starts the podcast off with a speed round of the the freshest art news, from the unauthorised Larry Gogosian, to the beloved character from ‘Arthur’, Binky Barnes and his gift of prophecy. Ella gives a wrap up on her time visiting the Venice Biennale, as well as her thoughts on the latest immersive art exhibition craze. Michelle and Ella conclude the podcast discussing the merits of the latest climate action protests, which have brought museums into the centre of the debate, whether they like it or not.
Timestamps
(00:00) Introductions, Welcome Ella!
(2:12) SPEED ROUND
(9:07) The Lume chat (aka Ella is not a raging fan of lights)
(11:40) Venice Biennale, its more than the art, it is the vibe
(17:50) Gatecrashing the Met Gala
(22:30) Anna Delvey’s latest masterpiece
(24:10) Protests in the art world
(34:41) Protests or dares?
(38:10) Does it ruin it for everyone?
(39:40) Mona Lisa has her cake and eats it too
(44:50) Extinction Rebellion and Picasso (derogatory)
(46:50) What are these protests about?
(48:25) What is hitting the headlines the hardest?
(50:20) There is a reason there is glass on the paintings
(54:40) Can we separate the (derogatory) from the Picasso?
(58:57) Concluding thoughts
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In part two of ‘Crimes Against Art’ NFT special, Isobel and Michelle are once again joined by Justyne to discuss how NFT unsurprisingly have led to criminal behaviour. Isobel and Michelle begin with a wrap up of why NFTs encourage crimes, both against the aesthetic and conceptual tenets of the artworld, and plain old-fashioned fraud. They discuss Beeple and Bored Apes, and suggest that Furries perhaps are the only true patrons of the art world. Justyne’s discussion of 2023 trend predictions then leads to the MetaBirkin controversy, as they conclude that NFTs just make us hate millionaires even more.
Timestamps
(00:00) Introductions
(2:32) Bring back gatekeeping
(2:58) Justyne’s Beanie Baby collection
(5:18) How finance has outpaced the art world
(7:24) Baby’s first art work
(8:21 )The valuation of artworks
(9:10) Pop Quiz!
(10:23) Does the intersection of art and technology exist?
(11:01) How NFTs allow crimes
(12:22) Star of the pod, Beeple
(19:30) Bored Apes, the scam continues
(22:30) Copyright, the blockchain’s redemption?
(25:14) The true patrons of the artworld, Furries
(27:23) Our saviour Pinterest
(28:24) Does Banksy have NFTs?
(30:42) NFT heists
(34:25) 2023 trend predictions
(39:41) The MetaBirkin
(47:23) How they just make us hate millionaires even more
(47:25) Perhaps some regulation
(52:00) Concluding thoughts
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Crimes Against Art hosts Michelle and Isobeldiscuss their most loathed topic, NFTs. Joined by special guest star Justyne Allen, a practicing artist who is chronically online, Michelle and Isobel begin their deep dive into the scam that is NFTs. In the first of this two-part series on NFTs, Michelle explains how NFTs work. Isobel tracks how maths has gone too far and infiltrated the art world, to horrifying degrees, including the creation of the word ‘phygital’. Justyne critiques the artistic value of Beeple, and reminisces on Neopets and Stardollz, the true origins of online trading. Stay tuned for next week’s episode which further explores the outright criminal behaviour of the blockchain.
(00:00) Introductions
(2:03) To clarify NFTs (derogatory)
(3:16) That is where libertarianism gets really lame
(7:48) The scam of NFTs, you may as well buy a star
(10:24) Why NFTs are so good for committing crimes with
(10:45) NFT as explained by Tumblr
(13:11) The infiltration of the art world by NFTs
(18:53) The lesson we should have learned from Neopets
(20:50) Museums collecting NFTs
(25:40) Beeple is just some guy
(29:02) The absurdity of NFTs and their energy consumption
(33:58) Phygital
(38:25) The good news story, the absolute devaluation of NFTs
(41:10) Don’t bring Frida Kahlo into it again!
(44:50) How the Uffizi got scammed by NFTs
(46:28) Damien Hirst enters the scene
(51:23) Hilma af Klimt deserves better than numbers
(54:00) Bored Apes
(58:40) All NFTs are unfortunately treated equally
(1:02:14) Murakami and thinking about NFTs
(1:05:08) Concluding thoughts
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This week, ‘Crimes Against Art’ hosts Michelle and Isobel discuss one of the most bizarre art crimes of the year, the Orlando Museum of Art’s exhibition of almost entirely fake works by Jean-Michel Basquiat. After establishing where exactly Orlando is, Michelle and Isobel piece together the crime through court documents and poetry readings. There is a cameo from Fedex, as well as a bizarre revelation via LinkedIn comments. The podcast also raises more existential questions such as what happens when a curator curates fakes? Listen in as Michelle and Isobel try to make sense of the case, although you may leave with more questions.
Timestamps
(00:43) Intro
(1:01) Where is Orlando?
(3:02) Orlando (Florida) and Basquiat
(6:09) Basquiat and Neo-Expressionism
(10:03) How to legitimise a Basquiat
(14:04) Poetry time!
(19:01) How does it all unravel from there?
(22:03) Orlando Museum’s response, via LinkedIn comments
(25:04) If you are a lawyer and you have pulled shenanigans, are you still allowed to be a lawyer?
(27:08) Technophobes
(28:05) A Fedex Cameo
(33:13) The whole exhibition, seized
(36:36) What happens when a curator curates fakes?
(37:42) Expert 2
(44:43) He has history (gasp)
(50:20) The future of selling fakes
(53:03) where are they now?
(55:04) Concluding thoughts
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Join ‘Crimes Against Art’ hosts Michelle and Isobel as they discuss their favourite scammer, and the patron saint of the podcast, Anna Delvey. Isobel outlines Anna’s rise from obscure German town to New York high society and highlights the role of social media in developing Anna’s heiress persona. Michelle and Isobel also discuss the recent adaptations of the Anna Delvey story, and where they fall short in capturing the fun sexy time of the scam. Michelle notes Anna’s stylistic choices both in and out of the court, as well as providing a rundown of where the original GirlBoss is now. A big air kiss from Art Basel xx.
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(00:00) Intro
(1:23) A quick rundown of the Anna Delvey saga
(3:08) Purple magazine and the New York vibe scene of the early 2010s
(4:30) The rise of social media and the rise and rise of Anna
(6:30) How The Audacity™ can bank roll some fraud
(8:30) Anna’s rich person project
(10:56) The infamous Alexander Wang leggings
(16:10) Netflix adaptation (derogatory)
(20:40) Content creators in Morocco
(23:30) Anna’s downfall
(25:30) GRWM: Anna goes to court
(32:00) What Anna has been up to lately
(39:00) Girlboss, gaslight, gatekeep
(40:20) Where is she now?
(42:38) Final thoughts and learnings from Anna
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This week, ‘Crimes Against Art’ hosts Michelle and Isobel take a deep dive into the ever increasing controversies surrounding restoration. Michelle begins the podcast by explaining the difference between restoration and conservation before launching into Kim Kardashian’s appropriation of Marilyn Monroe’s dress for the Met Gala. Isobel and Michelle continuing talking restoration controversies as they outline the proposed plans for the Notre Dame Cathedral. The ladies contemplate social media’s love for restoration failures, and hope for a world where artworks need not fear a yassified makeover.
Timestamps
(0:24) Restoration, what are our thoughts?
(1:50) The effect and the vibe of the now
(3:15) Conservation vs restoration
(5:10) Madame Kim and that dress
(15:07) You need a bit of rejection to get your master work
(15:30) Restoration of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris
(17:10) Netflix back at it again with the docu-series: Notre Dame edition
(20:14) The French and spending money (President Macron GRWM)
(21:15) Tiktok restorations as good restorations
(23:49) Da Vinky and the Last Supper
(27:27) Monkey Jesus
(33:17) The yassification of St Anthony
(41:32) King Tut’s beards
(45:01) A little face lift
(49:05) Concluding thoughts
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Join hosts Michelle and Isobel for a news round-up episode of ‘Crimes Against Art’ that they like to call ‘Artful Shenanigans’. Listen in as Michelle discussions the latest movements of artworks as restitution and theft takes these masterpieces around the world. Isobel gives a run down on recent developments in art institutions, including the continued debate on the purpose of museums. They also cover Isobel’s least favourite topic, KAWS, and Michelle’s new favourite artist, an Australian who throws pickles on the ceiling. Just one of the many shenanigans from the art world can’t seem to stop creating.
Timeline
(00:43) Intro to Artful Shenanigans
(01:46) SPEED ROUND
(01:58) $6000 Pickle Art
(02:30) 10-year-old Picasso
(02:55) Easter Island fire
(03:40) Retracted KAWS lawsuit
(04:46) (MIS)PLACED ART
(05:14) Winston Churchill portrait
(05:34) Mother defrauded of ‘cursed’ art
(06:17) Medusa mosaic in LA
(06:59) Return of De Kooning
(08:03) Antiquity seizure at the Met
(09:20) INSTITUTION SHENANIGANS
(09:44) ICOM updates definition of ‘museum’
(15:06) Charities Act allows moral deaccessioning of works
(18:43) MoMA auctioning NFTs of its masterpieces
(21:01) V&A removes Sackler name
(23:07) Uffizi sues Jean Paul Gaultier
(25:30) WHY THIS?
(26:06) Disgruntled Vatican tourist
(26:23) Christies’ merch backlash
(27:20) Queer erasure in Felix Gonzalez-Torres wall text
(30:25) Frida the Musical (?!)
(33:05) Concluding musings
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For this week’s episode of ‘Crimes Against Art’ join hosts Michelle and Isobel as they unpack the Knoedler Gallery scandal. Netflix turned their gaze to the art world with their recent true crime documentary ‘‘Made You Look: A True Story About Fake Art’ which recounts the demise of the Knoedler Gallery resulting from the sale of a series of fraudulent artworks. Michelle and Isobel discuss the documentary, the implications of forgeries in the art market, the work of Mark Rothko, and discover a multitude of cameos from Hollywood stars to zany financiers. The art world has never been so convoluted nor so intriguing.
(00:00) Intro
(05:00) What is Knoedlers
(08:30) The scandal commences
(10:10) Made You Look documentary
(16:20) The Rothko in question
(19:01) Pollock and the unravelling scandal
(27:30) Closure of Knoedler and scandal exposure
(28:55) Was it a crime, or is this just how the art world works?
(30:46) De Soles Trial
(38:37) Rosales & fake painter
(48:23) Where are they now?
(51:51) Rothko
(56:59) Concluding thoughts
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This week, Edge of the Crowd launch their inaugural culture podcast ‘Crimes Against Art’. Join hosts Michelle Guo and Isobel Lake as they discuss fraud, forgeries, and all round art world shenanigans. Michelle and Isobel muse on art crimes versus crimes against art, and how they bring light to how we value art as a society. They contemplate why they find art crimes so alluring, outlining a few favoured crimes and their defining characteristics. With the stage thus set, Michelle and Isobel are thrilled to invite listeners on a deep dive into the audacity of the art world.
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(00:00) Intro
(01:35) Who are we and why are we doing this
(04:05) Art Crimes vs Crimes against Art
(06:15) Our definition of art
(08:19) Why do we like art crimes so much?
(14:26) Art Crimes as Elite Crimes
(20:34) Some of our favourite crimes
(27:39) Concluding thoughts
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