In this episode of the Children First Family Law®️ podcast, Krista welcomes Nil Buckley, a licensed professional counselor, licensed addiction counselor, and domestic violence clinical supervisor whose expertise bridges trauma-informed mental health, forensic evaluation, and family law. Nil is the founder of Vivas Counseling and Care Forensic Solutions and creator of The CARE Method, an evidence-based program now used in multiple states to support both survivors and offenders. Her background includes extensive work with the Colorado Department of Corrections, court-ordered treatment programs, and expert testimony in criminal and domestic relations cases. Drawing from this deep professional experience, Nil joins Krista to explore how coercive control and its related forms, including legal abuse, financial manipulation, and psychological coercion, show up in custody cases and family court. She explains that there are now 24 recognized forms of abuse in the global research literature, yet many family law professionals still focus only on physical harm. Nil’s work seeks to change that by educating judges, attorneys, and mental health providers about the full spectrum of domestic violence and its impact on children. The discussion also examines Colorado’s evolving domestic violence laws, such as Kayden’s Law, which aim to protect families better but can be challenging to implement consistently in court. Nil and Krista address the tension between holding offenders accountable and ensuring survivors aren’t further harmed by systems meant to safeguard them. They share real-world examples of how trauma, reactive behaviors, and legal complexity intersect in divorce and custody disputes and what professionals can do to create safer, more balanced outcomes. This conversation launches a continuing series on domestic violence and coercive control, setting the stage for future episodes with Nil that will dive even deeper into the realities of abuse, accountability, and healing in family law. In this episode, you will hear:   Expanding definitions of abuse beyond physical violence How coercive control and legal abuse appear in custody disputes Why trauma-informed evaluations matter in family law cases The complexities of applying Kayden’s Law and related legislation How professionals can balance accountability with survivor protection The importance of continued education across courts and legal systems   Resources from this Episode safersociety.org/nil-buckley-ma-lpc-lac-dvcs-ncc-acs www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this solo episode of the Children First Family Law® podcast, Krista explores one of the most essential tools for helping children thrive after separation or divorce—a thoughtful, child-centered parenting plan. Drawing from years of experience as a family law attorney, mediator, and parenting coordinator, Krista explains how clarity, predictability, and flexibility can create emotional safety for children during family transitions. She breaks down how to design developmentally appropriate parenting schedules from infancy through adolescence and explains why focusing on stability rather than strict equality best supports a child’s well-being. Krista also covers shared decision-making, communication strategies, managing holidays and vacations, handling new relationships, and addressing common pitfalls like technology use and “right of first refusal” clauses. Throughout the episode, she emphasizes that clarity is love, predictability is safety, and structure is one of the greatest gifts parents can give their children. Krista closes the episode by previewing her upcoming 16-week Co-Parent Coaching Program, designed to help parents create peaceful, structured, and emotionally healthy co-parenting lives. This October episode is a roadmap for parents seeking to build a stable and cooperative foundation for their children, even amid the challenges of family restructuring. In this episode, you will hear: The core philosophy behind a peaceful, child-centered parenting plan How to structure parenting schedules for different age groups Ways to handle decision-making responsibilities without conflict Communication strategies that foster cooperation and reduce tension How to address holidays, vacations, and new relationships thoughtfully The importance of predictability, emotional safety, and flexibility Resources from this Episode www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast.

In this episode of Children First Family Law, Krista sits down with Christina McGhee, a co-parenting expert, mediator, and author of “Parenting Apart: How Separated and Divorced Parents Can Raise Happy and Secure Kids.” Christina brings decades of experience helping families navigate the challenges of separation and divorce, offering practical strategies to support both parents and children during transitions. Krista and Christina explore the concept of nesting, where parents temporarily share the same home after separation, allowing children to remain in one familiar environment. They discuss how nesting can help parents practice new roles, build trust, and gradually shift responsibilities, while highlighting common challenges such as establishing boundaries, managing expectations, and accommodating children’s preferences. The conversation also delves into the importance of communication, routines, and consistency for children. Christina shares actionable guidance on setting expectations for “on duty” and “off duty” parenting, fostering healthy parent-child relationships, and preparing children for changes in family structure. They also address societal expectations around mothering and fathering, and the impact of premature introduction of new partners. Throughout the episode, Christina emphasizes practical, grounded strategies parents can use to navigate co-parenting successfully. She highlights resources for parents, including her website and comprehensive guides, and emphasizes the importance of building resilience in children to cope with uncertainty and change. This episode offers a wealth of actionable insights for parents, professionals, and anyone supporting families through separation and divorce. In this episode, you will hear: What nesting involves and how it supports children during separation Ways parents can keep boundaries clear while sharing space Emotional and logistical realities of early co-parenting transitions The role of communication and shared purpose in making nesting work Situations where nesting may not serve a family well How professionals can guide parents through early transition planning Resources from this Episode Christina McGhee, Divorce Parenting Expert, Trainer, Coach, Author, Education & Training Director: SPLIT Films – Divorce and Children, LLC coparentingspecialist.com divorceandchildren.com Book: Parenting Apart: How Separated and Divorced Parents Can Raise Happy and Secure Kids www.amazon.com/s?k=parenting+apart+christina+mcghee&crid=3T5BH29G1YY0&sprefix=parenting+apart%2Caps%2C163&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-pd-dpltr-ranker_2_15 divorceandchildren.com/about-christina-mcghee www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this final episode of the four-part ACEs series on Children First Family Law, Krista dives into practical strategies for parents and professionals to support children through adverse experiences and the complex realities of family law. Building on earlier discussions about parental addiction, attachment, and trauma, Krista outlines ways parents can actively foster resilience and emotional security for their children, even when co-parenting challenges arise. Krista emphasizes the importance of separating a child’s perception of a parent from the parent’s struggles. She shares creative approaches, such as building a library of videos of a parent reading or engaging with the child during periods of instability. By doing this, parents can validate their child’s connection with both caregivers, avoid reinforcing negative feelings, and promote stability and trust, even in difficult circumstances. Small rituals, predictable routines, affirming therapy, and engagement with activities like art or nature help children feel secure and supported, and demonstrate the power of consistent presence over conflict. The episode also expands the focus to professionals in the family law system, including judges, attorneys, child advocates, and therapists. Krista outlines how the adversarial structure of courts can unintentionally exacerbate trauma for both children and parents, and how trauma-informed approaches grounded in safety, trust, choice, collaboration, and empowerment can mitigate harm. She highlights the need for trauma-informed language, empathy, and curiosity, both in interactions with families and in self-care for professionals navigating high-conflict cases. Closing the series, Krista paints a vision for a family law system that prioritizes children’s safety, emotional security, and long-term resilience. By combining research on ACES, practical parenting strategies, and professional responsibility, she challenges parents and practitioners to reframe conflict as an opportunity to foster connection and healing. The episode reinforces that trauma-informed advocacy is not only possible. It is essential to shape outcomes that truly serve families and communities. In this episode, you will hear: How to foster attachment and resilience in children when one parent struggles with addiction Practical strategies to maintain children’s connection to both parents through creative tools and predictable routines The importance of trauma-informed approaches in the family law system How small actions by parents and professionals can prevent new adverse childhood experiences Ways professionals can shift from judgment to empathy, curiosity, and healing-centered advocacy Resources from this Episode www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this third installment of the four-part series on Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs), Krista continues her powerful conversation with Columbine survivor Chris Markham. While Chris has shared the trauma of his upbringing and the violence he witnessed, this episode turns toward resilience and healing. His story shows that even when children grow up with high ACEs, it is possible to build a life filled with love, family, and purpose. Chris reflects on the role therapy played in helping him work through post-traumatic stress, anger, and grief. He explains how finding healthy outlets, such as Taekwondo, supportive relationships, and consistent guidance, helped him shift from a destructive path toward one focused on growth. Krista and Chris explore the challenges of forgiveness, the weight of intergenerational trauma, and how breaking harmful cycles can allow children to experience childhood more fully than their parents once did. The episode also highlights how parents’ choices during divorce profoundly affect their children. Chris emphasizes that even when relationships break down, children still love both parents. Respecting that bond and avoiding toxic narratives is essential for preventing long-term emotional harm. His personal experiences reveal the lasting consequences of parental alienation and the importance of maintaining space for both parents in a child’s life. Ultimately, Chris’s journey is both sobering and hopeful. From surviving Columbine to raising two children of his own, he demonstrates how resilience, forgiveness, and intentional parenting can overcome even the most painful beginnings. For parents, attorneys, and professionals working with families, this episode offers a meaningful reminder: trauma may shape us, but it doesn’t have to define us. In this episode, you will hear: Resilience grows when children are guided toward positive relationships and safe outlets Forgiveness frees individuals from carrying trauma into adulthood Breaking intergenerational cycles allows kids to experience true childhood Parents must respect a child’s bond with both parents, even after divorce Toxic narratives create lasting damage and resentment Healing requires patience, consistency, and space for reconnection Resources from this Episode www.columbinememorial.org www.cdc.gov/aces/about/index.html my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/24875-adverse-childhood-experiences-ace www.apaf.org/our-programs/justice/free-resources/what-are-aces https://www.samhsa.gov/resource/sptac/adverse-childhood-experiences-role-substance-misuse-prevention www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this second installment of the Children First Family Law podcast’s four-part series on Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs), Krista welcomes her longtime friend Chris Markham. Chris opens up about his childhood in a family affected by divorce, emotional disconnection, and abuse. He also reflects on the devastating day he survived the Columbine High School shooting as a freshman, bringing to light the profound ways trauma can shape a child’s life. His willingness to share these experiences provides an intimate glimpse into how ACEs manifest in real families. Chris recounts how parental alienation, strict limitations on contact with his father, and the instability of living with a mother struggling with substance abuse compounded the trauma of his early years. Physical abuse at the hands of a stepfather further deepened the challenges he faced. These experiences left him with a constant sense of disconnection and a drive to seek out healthier role models and mentors who could help him imagine a different future. Despite the weight of these adversities, Chris discovered strength in discipline and community. Through martial arts, mentorship, and his own determination, he cultivated resilience that carried him beyond the instability of his upbringing. The discipline he adopted helped him counter destructive patterns and provided him with the tools to process his pain in constructive ways. His story demonstrates the critical role that supportive adults and structured environments play in helping children heal from trauma. Today, Chris is a husband and father committed to building a stable and loving home for his family. He speaks candidly about how his past fuels his desire to break cycles of generational trauma and to model healthier relationships for his children. His journey illustrates both the risks of ACEs and the hope that comes from resilience, making this conversation an important listen for parents, professionals, and anyone striving to support children through adversity. In this episode, you will hear: Growing up with divorce, emotional disconnection, and abuse in the home The reality of surviving the Columbine High School shooting as a freshman Parental alienation and its impact on a child’s relationship with both parents The role of substance abuse and unstable environments in shaping childhood trauma Physical abuse from a stepfather and the long-lasting effects of violence in the home How discipline and martial arts created structure and stability amid chaos Mentors and supportive adults stepping in when family life fell apart Building resilience by turning pain into strength and determination The ongoing work of breaking cycles of generational trauma Creating a healthier family legacy through fatherhood and committed relationships Resources from this Episode www.columbinememorial.org www.cdc.gov/aces/about/index.html my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/24875-adverse-childhood-experiences-ace www.apaf.org/our-programs/justice/free-resources/what-are-aces www.samhsa.gov/resource/sptac/adverse-childhood-experiences-role-substance-misuse-prevention www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my pr

Today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast launches a powerful four-part series on adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), trauma, and resilience. Krista records this conversation with Dr. Kathleen McNamara, the day after the Evergreen High School shooting in Jefferson County, Colorado, and the assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah. Both tragedies underscore how deeply trauma ripples through families and communities. Dr. McNamara, a psychologist and national leader in trauma-informed family law, explains the origins of the ACEs study and the direct connection between early childhood adversity and long-term outcomes such as chronic health issues, depression, and even shortened life expectancy. Together, she and Krista explore how high-conflict divorce can become an ACE, why early intervention is critical, and how functional co-parenting reduces harm. This urgent conversation also expands the ACEs discussion to modern realities—school shootings, bullying, discrimination, and the lingering effects of COVID-19—and introduces resilience factors that can alter a child’s trajectory. Safe caregivers, coping strategies, social connections, and trauma-informed practices can help children heal and thrive, even after experiencing hardship. As the first installment in the ACEs series, this episode sets the stage for Parts 2 and 3, featuring the story of a Columbine survivor who endured multiple ACEs, and Part 4, where Krista shares practical guidance for parents and professionals on protecting children’s mental health during divorce. In this episode, you will hear: ACEs disrupt brain development and long-term health High-conflict divorce as a significant ACE risk factor Modern ACEs, including school shootings, discrimination, and COVID-19 Early intervention reduces harm and improves outcomes Safe caregivers, social support, and coping strategies build resilience Trauma-informed practices in family law protecting children   Resources from this Episode www.cdc.gov/aces/about/index.html my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/24875-adverse-childhood-experiences-ace www.apaf.org/our-programs/justice/free-resources/what-are-aces www.samhsa.gov/resource/sptac/adverse-childhood-experiences-role-substance-misuse-prevention www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista begins a new series exploring technology tools that help separated and divorced parents co-parent more effectively. She welcomes Heather Ruiz from TalkingParents, a platform designed to simplify communication, improve organization, and reduce conflict between co-parents. Heather shares how TalkingParents was created by a family law attorney who had firsthand experience with the struggles of co-parenting. The platform has evolved into a comprehensive solution that includes secure messaging, shared calendars, expense tracking, recorded calls, an info library for important documents, and resources for parents navigating high-conflict situations. Krista and Heather discuss the challenges parents face with traditional communication methods,  disorganized text messages, missing receipts, or misunderstandings, and how TalkingParents provides clarity, accountability, and security. Heather also explains how its features reduce litigation costs by documenting every interaction in a way that courts readily accept. For families, attorneys, and mental health professionals, this episode offers a close look at how tech tools  TalkingParents can keep the focus where it belongs—on the children. In this episode, you will hear: Why using a co-parenting app reduces conflict and builds accountability How TalkingParents helps streamline expenses, calendars, and document storage Security measures that ensure records remain accurate and admissible in court Options for both free and paid plans to meet families’ needs Extra features  recorded calls, transcripts, and educational resources How the app helps establish healthy co-parenting habits early in the process   Resources from this Episode talkingparents.com www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you  this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista welcomes Larry and Joni Jones, the creators of “The Point C Divorce,” a five-minute animated fable designed to help parents, attorneys, and professionals refocus on children’s well-being during divorce. Larry, a retired New Jersey Superior Court judge, and Joni, a board-certified psychiatric and mental health nurse, mediator, and restorative practice facilitator, combined their professional expertise and personal experiences to create a short but powerful video that shines a light on how parental conflict can harm children. The conversation traces the origins of Point C, which began with Larry sketching ideas on a pizza box after a particularly painful custody case. The video has since been used in courtrooms, mediation, and educational programs across the country, resonating with families and professionals alike. Larry and Joni explain how the fable illustrates the dangers of parents becoming consumed by litigation at the expense of their child’s emotional health. Joni shares how her own childhood experience with divorce shaped her perspective, emphasizing the importance of skill-building and forgiveness in helping families move forward. Together, she and Larry stress the need for attorneys, mediators, and parents to rethink how conflict is handled and to recognize that litigation often undermines the very “best interests of the child” it claims to protect. The episode highlights the long-term effects of contentious divorces, from fractured parent-child relationships to mental health struggles for children. Krista, Larry, and Joni discuss practical tools, such as effective listening, expectation-setting, and restorative practices, that can help parents break the cycle of conflict. You will come away with a deeper understanding of how Point C offers a wake-up call to keep children’s voices and well-being at the center of family law. In this episode, you will hear: The inspiration behind “The Point C Divorce” and how it began on a pizza box How the five-minute fable helps parents and professionals see the child’s perspective Why litigation often contradicts the “best interest of the child” Joni’s personal story as a child of divorce and how it influenced her work Tools for parents: skill-building, heartfelt forgiveness, and active listening The role of attorneys and mediators in shaping respectful, child-centered outcomes Why kids often just want the fighting to stop, no matter which parent is “right” Resources from this Episode pointcdivorce.com www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this episode, host Krista Nash sits down with parenting expert, author, and coach Christina McGhee to tackle one of the most difficult moments in divorce: telling your children. Christina, who has spent over two decades helping families navigate separation, shares compassionate, practical guidance for parents who want to put their children first during this life-altering conversation. Together, Krista and Christina explore the emotional weight parents carry and the common mistakes that can undermine a child’s sense of security. Christina emphasizes the importance of clarity, preparation, and unified messaging, reminding parents that while the marriage may be ending, parenting is not. She introduces strategies such as framing divorce as a change rather than an ending, using age-appropriate language, and avoiding over-sharing or placing emotional burdens on children. Listeners will also hear insights into how children of different ages process divorce, the dangers of using children as confidants, and the long-term impact of blurred boundaries. Christina offers practical tools for ensuring children feel a sense of belonging in both homes and encourages ongoing dialogue rather than a “one and done” conversation. In this episode, you will hear: Divorce doesn’t end parenting—it changes how you parent. Always use clear, age-appropriate language, including the word “divorce.” Never make your child a confidant or emotional caretaker. Prepare and plan the conversation instead of “winging it.” Make it an ongoing dialogue, not a one-time event. Resources from this Episode Christina McGhee, Divorce Parenting Expert, Trainer, Coach, Author, Education & Training Director: SPLIT Films – Divorce and Children, LLC https://coparentingspecialist.com/ https://divorceandchildren.com/ Book: Parenting Apart: How Separated and Divorced Parents Can Raise Happy and Secure Kids https://www.amazon.com/s?k=parenting+apart+christina+mcghee&crid=3T5BH29G1YY0&sprefix=parenting+apart%2Caps%2C163&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-pd-dpltr-ranker_2_15 https://divorceandchildren.com/about-christina-mcghee/ www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

Co-parenting after divorce is one of the most difficult challenges parents face. In this solo episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista draws on her experience as an attorney, mediator, and child advocate to share practical strategies for improving communication between separated parents. With Colorado’s focus on the best interests of the child, Krista emphasizes that effective communication isn’t just a convenience; it directly impacts children’s stability, peace, and well-being. Krista explores common hurdles like old wounds resurfacing, mismatched communication styles, tone problems, and mistrust, all of which can derail even the most routine exchanges. She explains how parents can shift from reactive arguments to constructive conversations using the BIFF method (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm), and why choosing the right communication platform can reduce conflict and create a reliable record. From setting boundaries on response times to prioritizing the child's needs, Krista provides actionable ways parents can work together as a team. She stresses that communication should be approached like a business partnership with one shared goal—the care of their children. Krista also highlights resources for families in Colorado, including co-parenting apps, mediation, parenting classes, and counseling options, all of which can help parents strengthen their approach when communication feels impossible. The episode concludes with an important reminder: children notice how their parents speak to and about one another. Respectful exchanges model cooperation and reassure children that they come first. This episode is a practical guide for parents, professionals, and anyone supporting families navigating life after divorce. By adopting healthier communication strategies, parents can reduce conflict, protect their children’s peace, and build a more supportive two-home family dynamic. In this episode, you will hear: Communication challenges divorced parents face How the BIFF method helps diffuse conflict Why using co-parenting apps improves clarity and accountability Ways to set boundaries and avoid emotional reactions The importance of keeping children in the center, not the middle Resources in Colorado for co-parenting support Resources from this Episode highconflictinstitute.com/high-conflict-strategies/how-to-write-a-biff-response www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggXhQLihi54 www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista speaks with Tim Reid, Director of Business Development at U-VERIFY™ Testing. Originally from Australia, Tim now lives in Austin, Texas, and works closely with U-VERIFY™’s San Diego-based laboratory while often connecting with clients and partners in Indiana. With a background in clinical pharmacology and experience across multiple industries, Tim introduces U-VERIFY™, a testing service designed to eliminate many of the problems family law professionals face when monitoring substance use. Traditional drug and alcohol testing often relies on inconvenient, costly, and sometimes unreliable methods. U-VERIFY™ changes this landscape with legally defensible, DNA-verified urine testing that can be completed remotely while protecting children and supporting accountability. Krista and Tim explore why urine remains the gold standard for drug and alcohol testing, the challenges of tampering with traditional tests, and how DNA verification ensures results truly belong to the individual tested. They also discuss the limitations of breathalyzers, the importance of comprehensive testing panels, and how U-VERIFY™ helps build trust between co-parents in high-conflict custody cases. By addressing both the science and the legal practicalities, Tim demonstrates how this service strengthens safety measures for children while streamlining the testing process for families and attorneys. In this episode, you will hear: Urine remains the preferred specimen type for reliable drug and alcohol testing DNA verification removes the need for invasive observed collections Breathalyzers have limits, so using complementary tools may be necessary U-VERIFY™ covers more than 70 substances, including alcohol, fentanyl, and prescription drugs Legally defensible results backed by accredited lab standards Remote testing streamlines the process, reduces conflict, and helps build trust in co-parenting Resources from this Episode www.phamatec.com  www.uverifytesting.com uverify@phamatech.com for more info www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In this episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista Nash talks with Dr. Don Gordon, a clinical child psychologist and Executive Director of the Center for Divorce Education. Dr. Gordon shares how his personal experience with high-conflict divorce shaped his mission to help families reduce stress and improve parent-child relationships through evidence-based education. Their conversation centers around “Children in Between,” a widely used court-mandated parenting program, and its new companion course for kids. Dr. Gordon explains why emotional literacy, stress reduction, and safe communication are critical tools for children during separation and divorce. He also discusses the neuroscience of fight-or-flight responses in parents, how to interrupt reactive behaviors, and why involving kids in conversations about their feelings changes outcomes for life. Divorce doesn’t have to break a child’s emotional foundation if we give families the tools to manage it with care. In this episode, you will hear: Parents need training for co-parenting under stress, not just general parenting Children benefit when they learn how to name, share, and manage emotions Divorce stress impacts a child’s long-term relationships and mental health Online programs can support families with low-cost, effective tools Teaching emotional regulation improves how parents and kids relate Kids internalize conflict when they feel caught between two parents Loyalty conflicts do more harm than divorce itself Involving both parents in emotional coaching gives kids double the support When parents model calm responses, kids learn resilience Proactive education reduces litigation and emotional fallout Resources from this Episode www.childreninbetweenforkids.com  www.childreninbetween.com online.divorce-education.com www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In today’s episode of Children First Family Law, Krista welcomes retired New York Judge, Peggy Walsh, who brings decades of experience from both the Family and Supreme Courts. Judge Walsh unpacks how New York’s family law system centers children’s voices in custody cases and what the rest of the country can learn from it. Krista and Judge Walsh explore how attorneys for children play an active role in advocating for a child’s stated preferences, even when they differ from best interest arguments. They also compare New York’s court structure with Colorado’s, explore trauma-informed judicial practices, and reflect on how systems either empower or silence young voices. Judge Walsh shares how she approached in-camera interviews with children and how her bench experience now informs her work as a coach for co-parents navigating conflict. When a child tells their attorney what they want, that’s not just testimony. It’s a window into what makes sense for that child’s life. In this episode, you will hear: Child attorneys in New York reflect what the child wants, not what adults believe is best Best interest and expressed interest often overlap, but not always New York courts offer every child legal representation at no cost Judges rely on in-camera interviews to hear from children directly Ethical representation includes guiding children without overriding them Professionalism in family court matters more than persuasion Trauma-informed courts reduce harm during high-conflict litigation Courts trust parents to decide, and judges step in only when needed Kids in the middle of conflict often show internal distress Co-parenting coaching offers an alternative to repeated litigation   Resources from this Episode peggywalsh.com thecoparentcoach.com www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista Nash welcomes Allen Levy, an Anchorage-based mental health professional and parenting educator, for a direct and thoughtful discussion on how to parent after divorce. Allen draws from over two decades of work with high-conflict families to explain why parenting after separation needs to be treated as a job share, not an emotional battleground. He shares the framework behind his post-separation parenting curriculum, which was developed through years of real-world experience and is now utilized in workshops, therapy sessions, and court-ordered education. This approach teaches parents to focus on four core duties: communication, decision-making, problem-solving, and conflict resolution across key parenting domains like education, healthcare, and family routines. Through structured rules, concrete strategies, and clear analogies, Allen reframes co-parenting as professional conduct, not emotional entanglement. The result? Less conflict, fewer court battles, and healthier kids. You don’t need both parents to change. When one parent acts with professionalism, it can shift everything. In this episode, you will hear: Parent-child relationships must come before parent-to-parent conflict Parenting is a job with duties, boundaries, and standards Effective communication focuses on children, not personal grievances Shift changes (custody exchanges) should feel routine and drama-free Parallel parenting can work even when co-parenting is unrealistic Focus on behaviors, not blame or psychological explanations Avoid the trap of sharing emotional information with your ex Protect kids from conflict by removing them from the middle Redefine success by how well parents manage the job, not how they feel One parent can shift the dynamic, even if the other won’t change Resources from this Episode www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista sits down with Julia Chambers, creator of Mimbleballs, to explore how one quirky, fuzzy tool helps kids—and adults—manage big feelings. What started as a DIY craft with her son became a comfort object now used by therapists, attorneys, first responders, and families across the country. Julia shares how Mimbleballs provide tactile support, regulate nervous systems, and open emotional pathways during tough transitions like divorce, court appearances, or co-parenting changes. She and Krista also discuss the deeper mission behind the brand, including its work with schools, nonprofits, and professionals helping children feel safe and seen. Sometimes healing starts with a hug—even from a fuzzy face with googly eyes. In this episode, you will hear: Breaks the ice in court-involved or high-stress settings Supports emotional regulation through texture, movement, and play Works across ages and developmental stages Opens communication when words feel hard Helps professionals and parents build trust with children Bridges transitions between homes or family systems Encourages self-soothing and emotional expression Promotes silliness, safety, and connection in difficult moments Gives children a reliable source of comfort they can carry with them Strengthens co-parenting dynamics through shared emotional tools Resources from this Episode www.mimbleball.com (Use code MBLOVE for the website shop for 10% off your entire purchase) www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista Nash welcomes Dr. Ann Ordway, a family law attorney, parenting coordinator, and stepfamily coach. Together, they unpack what it takes to build a healthy blended family, one grounded in patience, emotional awareness, and long-term thinking. Dr. Ordway shares what works and what fails when families blend too quickly. She draws on her professional expertise and personal experience of raising seven children in a blended family. They explore how children react to transitions, how co-parents can support one another across households, and how step-parents can earn trust instead of expecting it. This episode gives parents and professionals a roadmap for blending families that prioritizes emotional safety and sets children up to thrive. In this episode, you will hear:   Begin stepfamily transitions by acknowledging loss and grief Give each child space to adjust at their own pace Slow down recoupling to avoid emotional whiplash Approach introductions gradually, with clear communication Build step-parent relationships through trust, not authority Spend one-on-one time to strengthen individual bonds Coordinate with co-parents to reduce confusion and fear Keep children in familiar spaces when possible Treat stepchildren and biological children equitably Model respectful relationships between all households   Resources from this Episode www.afccnet.org/About/Staff/ann www.stepfamily.org www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In today’s episode of Children First Family Law, Krista welcomes Dr. Marsha Kline Pruett, a clinical psychologist, researcher, and nationally recognized authority on child development, co-parenting, and father involvement. Together, they explore what healthy post-divorce fathering looks like and what professionals and parents can do to foster those relationships. Dr. Pruett draws on decades of experience working with families in the U.S. and internationally, including groundbreaking work with the California Office of Child Abuse Prevention and long-term studies on parenting partnerships. She discusses how early father involvement impacts long-term child development and why gendered parenting roles still influence family law decisions. This episode also explores the pitfalls of rigid parenting plans, the pressure of 50/50 custody expectations, and how children process family dynamics differently than adults often assume. Dr. Pruett explains how to build trust between co-parents, why gatekeeping harms both children and relationships, and what attorneys and therapists should stop doing if they genuinely want to serve families well. This episode challenges assumptions about post-divorce parenting and offers a path forward where fathers stay connected, kids feel secure, and co-parents build trust, one interaction at a time. In this episode, you will hear:   Early father involvement as a foundation for long-term connection Gatekeeping and how it limits father-child relationships post-divorce Flexible parenting plans that reflect a child’s real-world needs Emotional safety over rigid time-sharing structures One-on-one time is more impactful than group settings Building co-parenting trust through consistency and accountability Harmful professional dynamics when attorneys mirror client conflict Benefits of parallel parenting when co-parenting isn’t possible Starting fresh, no matter how long it’s been Supporting fathers without undermining maternal relationships   Resources from this Episode marshapruett.com Book: Partnership Parenting: How Men and Women Parent Differently-Why It Helps Your Kids and Can Strengthen Your Marriage: www.amazon.com/Partnership-Parenting-Differently-Why-Strengthen-Marriage/dp/0738213268 Book: Your Divorce Advisor: www.amazon.com/Your-Divorce-Advisor-Psychologist-Emotional/dp/0684870681 www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In today’s episode of Children First Family Law, Krista explores one of the most high-conflict areas in Colorado family law: relocation after divorce or custody orders. When one parent wants to relocate, whether within or outside the state, courts must decide what serves the child’s best interest, not the parent’s. Krista walks through how Colorado handles relocation under C.R.S. §14-10-129, explains the difference between a parent's right to move and the right to move with a child, and addresses a common fear: Is it kidnapping to move without permission? She illustrates these issues with real-world case studies, one in which a parent left without notice, and another in which a parent followed every step legally. This solo episode covers the legal process, emotional impact, court standards, and how to keep children at the center of difficult relocation decisions. It’s a must-listen for any parent facing—or fearing—a move. In this episode, you will hear: Relocation means any move that significantly disrupts an existing parenting plan, not just moves across state lines Parents retain the right to relocate, but not the automatic right to move a child with them Colorado requires written notice, a proposed new parenting plan, and court approval under C.R.S. §14-10-129 Unauthorized relocation can result in contempt charges or emergency return orders, even without criminal charges Courts assess each relocation under the best interests of the child per C.R.S. §14-10-124 Long-distance parenting creates added costs and challenges—judges often assign travel costs to the relocating parent under C.R.S. §14-10-115(11) Emotional losses for children include missing friends, schools, and a parent’s daily presence Real case examples show why courts value transparency, cooperation, and early communication Key case law includes Spahmer v. Gullette, Ciesluk v. Ciesluk, In re Marriage of Martin, and DeZalia v. DeZalia Resources from this Episode Relocation statute: C.R.S. 14-10-129: codes.findlaw.com/co/title-14-domestic-matters/co-rev-st-sect-14-10-129 Best interests of the child: C.R.S. 14-10-124: codes.findlaw.com/co/title-14-domestic-matters/co-rev-st-sect-14-10-124 Payment issues: C.R.S. 14-10-115(11), scroll way down to find (11): codes.findlaw.com/co/title-14-domestic-matters/co-rev-st-sect-14-10-115 Key Colorado caselaw around relocation: In re Marriage of Ciesluk: law.justia.com/cases/colorado/supreme-court/2005/04sc555-0.html Spahmer v. Gullette: law.justia.com/cases/colorado/supreme-court/2005/03sc751-0.html In re Marriage of Martin: callidusai.com/wp/ai/cases/2639358/in-re-the-marriage-of-martin In re Marriage of DeZalia: callidusai.com/wp/ai/cases/2638291/marriage-of-dezalia-v-dezalia www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

In today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista is joined by Dr. Susan Fletcher, a licensed psychologist in both Texas and Colorado, known for her deep experience with court-involved families and child-focused evaluations. Together, they explore what children truly experience during and after a divorce and how parents and professionals can better support their transition to life in two homes. Dr. Fletcher explains how children internalize language like “custody” and “visitation” and offers practical suggestions for reframing these terms in ways that support emotional resilience. She stresses the importance of maintaining consistency, recognizing a child's individual vulnerabilities, and reframing transitions as opportunities rather than losses. The conversation covers early intervention, therapist involvement, and the crucial role of in-home observations for professionals working with families post-divorce. This episode also addresses why mental health providers may resist testifying in court, how board complaints create fear, and what professionals can do to better navigate the intersection of clinical care and legal involvement. Dr. Fletcher shares real-world experiences from both therapy and evaluations, bringing clarity to a complex and emotionally charged aspect of family law. In this episode, you will hear: Children often absorb adult terminology like “custody” and “visitation” in ways that affect their sense of identity Simple language changes and reframes can support emotional safety during transitions Some kids adapt easily to two homes, while others need more structured emotional support In-home observations provide professionals with a clearer context for how children experience post-divorce life Fear of licensing complaints can prevent therapists from staying involved in court cases, even when their voices matter Parents can remain emotionally available without overwhelming their children Creating a strong support system helps families and professionals navigate ongoing changes Shifting focus from fear-based reactions to hopeful engagement promotes healthier outcomes Resources from this Episode www.fletcherphd.com www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation.  Follow and Review: We’d love for you to follow us if you haven’t yet. Click that purple '+' in the top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app. We’d love it even more if you could drop a review or 5-star rating over on Apple Podcasts. Simply select “Ratings and Reviews” and “Write a Review” then a quick line with your favorite part of the episode. It only takes a second and it helps spread the word about the podcast. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.