Atheist Attempts To Disprove God
It's now Dr. Gordon Stein's turn in the debate. This atheist attempts to disprove God in 11 different ways. However, what seems to happen here is the use of an odd definition for God and an actual need for one more argument - the one Dr. Bahnsen uses.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
05:59 - Dr. Gordon Stein's Opening Statement - On Facts
07:01 - Atheist Stein's Definition Of Atheism
09:27 - Atheist Stein's Definition Of God
11:45 - Atheist Takes Down 11 Proofs For The Existence Of God
13:38 - The Cosmological Argument Taken Down - The Uncaused Universe
16:40 - Joshua Pillows Commentary Against Stein's Presentation
21:14 - Joshua Pillows Commentary Against The Cosmological Argument
23:55 - The Design Argument Taken Down - The Undesigned Universe
26:29 - The Life Argument Taken Down - The Unmoved Life
28:42 - Joshua Pillow Commentary Against Stein's Induction
31:54 - Conclusion

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3 Important Claims In The Great Debate
Here is Dr. Greg Bahnsen's 3 important claims in the Great Debate. The first two are there to sweep away a lot of confusion Dr. Stein and other atheists have when it comes to the type of argumentation presuppositionalists use. Unfortunately, Dr. Stein didn't seem to be prepared to actually engage in that type of debate as we'll see in the coming weeks.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:36 - The 3 Claims Of Bahnsen's Opening Statement
06:00 - Cracker's Don't Matter! - The Nature Of Evidence Between Christians & Atheists
11:12 - Presuppositional Conflict Of Worldviews
26:54 - The Transcendental Argument For God As A Positive Claim
31:49 - Conclusion





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Setting The Stage
We open our 14th book by setting the stage for The Great Debate. We cover the Forward by Eli Ayala and Preface by Joshua Pillows, who give the background for the debate and speakers. Then we dive into Dr. Greg Bahnsen's opening statement, where he uses most of his time covering what the debate is and what it isn't. He also covers why he's going to talk about the Christian form of theism and how the debate can be an objective matter and not a subjective one.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
03:39 - Forward By Eli Ayala (Revealed Apologetics)
09:07 - Preface To The Debate
14:56 - The Book's Format
16:34 - Bahnsen's Opening - Setting The Stage For The Debate
17:40 - 3 Reasons Why To Argue For Christian Theism Not General Theism
21:09 - Defining Your Terms & The Debate Is & Isn't
22:34 - 3 Reasons To Focus On Objective Matters, Not Subjective
26:32 - The Nature Of The Debate
29:20 - Conclusion





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Book 14 Announcement
For our 14th book, we dive into one of the great moments for presuppositional apologetics. The debate between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein in 1985 is a seminal watershed moment in apologetics history. Join us, starting next week, as we walk through the debate with the book The Great Debate edited and commented on by Joshua Pillows.




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Christianity Can Integrate With Science
Christianity can integrate with science. In fact, the scientific revolution was only made possible because of the Christian worldview and those people who sought to discover just exactly how God ordered the universe. Only post-Enlightenment anachronistic history puts Christianity and science at odds with each other. So, this is our last plea to reject scientism and embrace a worldview that justifies true science.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
00:51 - How Should Christianity Integrate Science
01:50 - Suggestion 1 - The Two Realms Model
03:22 - Suggestion 2 - The Complementarian Model
05:06 - The Danger Of The Complementarian Model
09:14 - Suggestion 3 - The Presupposition Approach Model
10:27 - Suggestion 4 - The Practical Application Model
11:36 - Suggestion 5 - The Direct Interaction Model
13:40 - The Conflict This Model Causes
15:20 - When Should We Go Against The Experts In Science?
16:53 - Scenario 1 - Is There An Alt Bible Interpretation Available?
17:33 - Scenario 2 - A Set Of Experts That Goes Against The Other Experts
21:09 - Scenario 3 - If There Are Historic Or Philosophical Issues With Holding To The Majority Expert Views
26:00 - Scenario 4 - The Sociological Explanations For Forcing Majority Expert Views
27:44 - Scenario 5 - Theological Issues With Holding To Majority View
30:51 - Scenario 6 - Ideas That Go Against The Christian Worldview
32:41 - One Final Plea
34:53 - Conclusion





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Can Science Integrate With Christianity?
Now that we have knocked down scientism, are Christians left without being able to use science? Is science without the worldview that provided for its justification and moral guards? Why not at all, says J. P. Moreland who provides a foundation for how science integrate with Christianity.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
02:39 - Can You Integrate Science & Christianity?
08:11 - 2 Types Of Integration - Conceptual & Personal
11:47 - 3 Ways Science Provides Rational Truth Claims For Christians
12:37 - 1 - Direct Defense
15:28 - 2 - Polemics
16:26 - 3 - Positive Christian Explanations
18:21 - Conclusion





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Why God Of The Gaps Is A Bad Objection
While finishing our discussion on why methodological naturalism should be rejected, we deal with another bad objection to Christians having a place in the science world. The charge of believing in a "God of the gaps" is levied at Christians to scoff at their history in science. We take a look at it and offer up "nuh huh" and "you do it too"!
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
03:01 - The 2 Reasons To Reject Methodological Naturalism
03:49 - Science Already Allows For Intelligence As An Explanation
06:52 - Human Sciences Allow Intelligence As An Explanation
07:46 - Distortion Of Natural Science To Keep Out Intelligence
13:43 - Responding To The Bad God Of The Gaps Objection
15:54 - Objection 1 - God Is Not Limited To Gaps
17:41 - Objection 2 - Not Offering Evidence In Ignorance But Positive Explanation
21:43 - Objection 3 - There Are Gaps That Need Explanation
23:16 - Two Ways God Acts Intelligently That Gives Us Explanations
26:33 - Empirical Vs. Historical Science Doesn't Count Out Intelligent Explanations
29:26 - Intelligence Design Differs From Creation Science
31:26 - Conclusion





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The Danger Of Methodological Naturalism
Before we talk about how Christianity should integrate science, we need to talk about how NOT to do it. The dangers of methodological naturalism aren't realized for those in camps like theistic evolution. Here, we look at why methodological naturalism doesn't work out for those who want to have both God and evolution.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:16 - One Bad Way To Integrate Christianity & Naturalism
03:05 - Intelligent Design Intro
03:59 - The Blind Watchmaker Is A Bad Argument
06:18 - Intelligent Design IS A Science
07:19 - Methodological Naturalism Should Be Rejected
08:19 - What Is Theistic Evolutionists
10:46 - The Revival Of Methodological Naturalism
13:48 - What's Wrong With Theistic Evolution & Methodological Naturalism
17:03 - Failed Explanations For What Counts As Science
19:47 - Failed Explanation That Something Is Held Tentatively
21:16 - Failed Explanation That It Appeals To Natural Laws
22:35 - Conclusion





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Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality
Finishing up on the 5 things science can't explain: Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality. In a "physical only" science setting these ideas are best left alone. It winds up either with no reason to hold anyone accountable for anything or the need to discard scientism and possibly let theism into the picture. GASP!
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:05 - Can't Explain 3 - Fine Tuning
04:40 - Naturalists Attempt To Explain Away Fine Tuning
06:57 - The Destruction Of The Multiverse Theory
09:45 - Can't Explain 4 - Origin Of Consciousness
12:13 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Of Mental States
13:54 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Mind-Body Relationship
17:12 - Why Science Fails At Mind-Body Relationship Explanation
20:31 - Can't Explain 5 - Morality, Rationality, & Esthetic Laws
23:54 - Conclusion





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Science Can't Explain Origin Or Laws
Looking at how philosophy first holds its place over science, we look at five things science can't explain - but Theism can. Two of those things it can't explain are origin or laws. That is, the origin of the universe and the fundamental laws of nature. You'd think this would be an area that science could tackle. However, naturalism fails to explain both, and science needs theism to get it started.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:58 - 5 Things Science Can't Explain But Theism Can
03:38 - There Are Many Things Science Can't Explain And That's Ok
04:36 - Can't Explain 1 - The Origin Of The Universe
04:57 - Philosophical Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe
08:58 - The Scientific Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe
12:12 - Something Comes From Nothing - How Science Cheats At Nothing
15:30 - The Cause Of The Universe Is Personal & How Science Fails To Explain Other
17:57 - 3 Reasons Science Can't Explain The Origin Of The Universe
21:02 - 2 Outcomes From The Result Of Science Not Being Able To Explain The Origin Of The Universe
23:18 - Can't Explain 2 - The Origin Of Fundamental Laws Of Nature
24:15 - Conclusion





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Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons
On vacation this week, so this is my (Patrick's) message on the final portion of Titus, Titus 3:12-15. With epistle beginnings and endings, sometimes we glance over them and view them as superfluous or boring. But those are just as authoritative and important as any portion of God's Word to His Church. We read these sections, and we can meet the challenge - don't be bored, be active!

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Philosophy's Authority Over Science
Previously, we looked at the authority philosophy has over science, and now we look at philosophy's authority over science. From what beaker to grab to remembering equations to what to write in that peer-reviewed study, the initial steps one makes and concludes is all philosophical. Those most hurt? Scientists and atheists. Big mad.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:12 - The Autonomy Thesis Of Philosophy
03:51 - The Characteristics Of Science Comes From The Philosophers
05:34 - Methodological Naturalism Fails To Establish Causation
07:50 - 1st & 2nd Order Distinctions Needed Between Science & How To Do Science
09:03 - Philosophy Can Be Independent & More Authoritative Than Science
11:06 - Christians Don't Have To Freak Out Over Current Day Scientific Claims
13:25 - Methodological Naturalism Struggles To Keep Intelligent Design Out Of Science
15:19 - Ch. 11 - How Do We Explain Things?
16:00 - Two Types Of Explanations - Scientific & Personal
16:27 - Scientific Explanations Defined
19:00 - Personal Explanations Defined
22:16 - Criteria For Things That Are Scientific Unexplainable
28:34 - Conclusion





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Education Is Classical Education
We welcome Martin Cothran from Memoria Press today. Mr. Cothran is a proponent of one of the best educational models that has built the Western world. Education is classical education or it is not education. We discuss what is classical education, why it works, how it teaches both the mind and the whole person in virtue. We also discuss books, a dangerous subject with Mr. Cothran - dangerous for bank accounts. It was a true pleasure to talk with a hero of classical education.
TIMELINE:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:00:42 - Martin Cothran Introduction
00:01:50 - Previous Episodes On Education
00:03:06 - What Is Classical Education?
00:09:53 - Terminology Of Classical Education
00:13:11 - How Does Classical Education Shape The Intellectual & Moral Development?
00:17:40 - God's Story Helps Us Tell Our Story
00:22:29 - Education Builds Virtue; Govt Schools Can't Do This
00:24:59 - Why Is Classical Education The Way We Should Do Education?
00:34:20 - How Classical Education Helps Students Teach Themselves
00:42:53 - Classical Education Passes On Western Culture
00:49:16 - The Importance Of Books In Classical Education
00:54:55 - How To Read Good Books
01:05:19 - Cheryl Lowe And Memoria Press
01:10:33 - Conclusion





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00:01:56 - Previous Education Episodes - Episode 191 + Episode 192 + Episode 286 + Episode 287
00:06:26 - A Defense Of Classical Education - R.W. Livingston

 

 

 

 

 

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00:25:05 - The Seven Liberal Arts, a Study in Mediaeval Culture by Paul Abelson

 

 

 

 

00:55:05 - Adam On The Road - Elizbeth Janet Gray
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00:56:07 - Romans Road Press

00:58:26 - Charlotte's Web - E. B. White
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The Authority Of Philosophy Over Science
If you think the atheists are mad and don't watch our videos before commenting, wait till they don't see this one!

In continuing the argument that philosophy should be considered first before one considers their science, we look at how the authority of philosophy is not only substantiated by philosophers but even by scientists who want to try and get around philosophy. Also, when they come into conflict with issues within their framework, they don't show you a science experiment but give you a philosophical argument. Suspicious, indeed!
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:33 - Authority And Autonomy In Philosophy
02:47 - Authority Of Philosophy Over Science
05:14 - Philosophical Claims Greater Than Scientific For The Beginning Of Everything
07:21 - Stephen Hawking's Failure To Have No Beginning Of The Universe
09:08 - Philosophers Show How Hawking Is Wrong
13:21 - Science Fails To Talk About Nothing When They Say Something About Nothing
15:54 - Science Fails To Discover The Origin Of Life; But Philosophy Does Better
21:41 - Conclusion





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Philosophy First!
The goal is not to reject science. It's understanding the failure that scientism provides when it comes to understanding. However, adopting a philosophy first framework provides the foundation for science to function (and the presuppositions needed for the necessary preconditions of intelligibility). So he's the case for adopting First Philosophy.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
01:44 - Recovering Philosophy First In Knowledge
03:07 - Two Benefits Of 1st Philosophy
03:45 - The War Against 1st Philosophy
05:07 - The Two Theses Of 1st Philosophy
06:30 - The Negative Outcomes Of Rejecting 1st Philosophy
07:35 - The Purpose Of Philosophy According To Scientism
09:48 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Starting Assumptions
11:09 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Disagreement Among Philosophy
12:40 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Cartesian Certainty
13:35 - Foundationalism Vs. Cartesian Certainty
17:53 - Cartesian Certainty Impossibility
22:20 - Conclusion





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Scientism Is Not All In The Head
Here's a case study in which desiring only naturalist scientific explanations won't get you anywhere - consciousness. When it comes to the mind, one either has to reject the mind and therefore consciousness or reject a purely naturalistic science. Scientism is not all in the head, it seems.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
00:59 - The Human Consciousness Speaks Against Scientism
01:27 - Defining Our Terms - 3rd Person Vs. 1st Person POV
03:17 - What Is Consciousness & How Does One Know They Are
05:34 - The Immaterial Dualism Of Consciousness
08:21 - 5 Reasons Mental States Are Not Physical
08:27 - Mental States Are Feeling States
09:25 - Mental States Are Directed About An Object
10:40 - Mental States Are Internal & Private To Only One Person
11:49 - Mental States Are Subjective
12:07 - Mental States Fail to Have Crucial Features
12:51 - Human Consciousness Destroys Naturalism-Only Scientism
14:49 - Philosophical Behaviorism Failed To Naturalize Consciousness
16:34 - Type Identity Theory Failed To Naturalize Consciousness
18:44 - Functionalism Failed To Naturalize Consciousness
21:32 - Naturalistic Scientism Has Ruined Ideas Of Consciousness
24:30 - Conclusion





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Other Sources Of Knowledge
Well, if science doesn't give us all knowledge, what are other sources of knowledge? Well here are three areas where we not only obtain knowledge but we tend to have more confidence in it - than even science.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
02:04 - Science Is Showy, Philosophy Is Talky
05:16 - Scientism Has Invaded The Church
07:56 - Scientism Diminishes Other Disciplines That Provide Truth
09:14 - Why Reject Weak Scientism Specifically
12:20 - Weak Scientism Gives Too Much Weight To Claims And Not To Underlying Assumptions
14:03 - Weak Scientism Gives Don't Give Enough Weight Underlying Assumptions Deserve
15:38 - What View Makes Better Sense Of Reality
19:37 - Conclusion





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Weak Scientism Is Weak
Ok, strong scientism is bad because it denies any other field the ability to provide truth and in making the claim it becomes self-refuting. But what about weak scientism which lets a few areas have their claims to help support the Science(TM)? Well even weak scientism is weak and must be rejected. Find out why in this episode. Or comment on it without watching it like the atheists do.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
02:04 - Science Is Showy, Philosophy Is Talky
05:16 - Scientism Has Invaded The Church
07:56 - Scientism Diminishes Other Disciplines That Provide Truth
09:14 - Why Reject Weak Scientism Specifically
12:20 - Weak Scientism Gives Too Much Weight To Claims And Not To Underlying Assumptions
14:03 - Weak Scientism Gives Don't Give Enough Weight Underlying Assumptions Deserve
15:38 - What View Makes Better Sense Of Reality
19:37 - Conclusion





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Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons
We are taking a break for the 4th of July weekend but you can listen to the message I taught on Titus 1:10-12 to my (Patrick's) church's college group. Here I discuss the types of false teachers Titus will encounter on the island of Crete and why the Greeks on Crete are like the way they are. Having been reading Greek writings this year has helped in the background prep of this. Who knew a classical education and its content would help with learning?!





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Presuppositions Of Science
We look at how scientism destroys science by denying the ability to do science. How is that the case? Because scientism denies the six presuppositions of science. We discuss that here.
TIMELINE:
00:00 - Introduction
02:59 - Science Has Presuppositions
04:53 - Presupposition #1 - A World Exists Outside Of Humanity
07:09 - Someone Actually Thinks There Isn't?!
09:17 - Presupposition #2 - The Nature Of The World Is Orderly
16:33 - Presupposition #3 - Objective Truth Exists
18:54 - Presupposition #4 - Humanity Is Able To Discover & Know Truth
25:38 - Presupposition #5 - Values & Oughts Exist
28:43 - Presupposition #6 - Laws Of Logic & Mathematics Exist
31:29 - But Scientists Still Believe These Things - Exactly
32:25 - Conclusion





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