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Battling with Business
Battling With Business
128 episodes
4 days ago
In this podcast, Gareth Tennant, a former Royal Marines Officer, and Chris Kitchener, a veteran of the software development world, explore ideas and concepts around teams and teamwork, leaders and leadership, and all things in between. It’s a discussion between a former military commander and a business manager, comparing and contrasting their experiences as they attempt to work out what makes teams, leaders, and businesses tick.
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In this podcast, Gareth Tennant, a former Royal Marines Officer, and Chris Kitchener, a veteran of the software development world, explore ideas and concepts around teams and teamwork, leaders and leadership, and all things in between. It’s a discussion between a former military commander and a business manager, comparing and contrasting their experiences as they attempt to work out what makes teams, leaders, and businesses tick.
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Management
Education,
Business,
Self-Improvement
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Battling with Business
Episode 135 - The Philosophy of Leadership with Professor Damian O'Doherty: Lounges, Bureaucracy, and the Myth of the Hero
In this special episode of Battling with Business, Gareth and Chris are joined by Professor Damian O’Doherty, an academic at the University of Liverpool whose work explores leadership, organisational culture, and critical management studies.Together, they dive into the philosophy of leadership and management, exploring ideas like: Reconstructing organization: moving beyond modern vs. postmodern management thinking. Loungification of society: why our workplaces (and even leadership styles) might look more like lounges than factories.The myth of the heroic leader: why hero-worship in leadership can be dangerous and how bureaucracy might be due for a comeback.Ethnography in business: what we learn when we actually live inside the organizations we study. This episode is less about practical frameworks and more about challenging ideas that shape how we see leadership today.
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6 days ago
1 hour 10 minutes 3 seconds

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Episode 134 - Rerelease of Episode 7 - What is Strategy?
In this rereleased episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth unpack one of the most important questions in business and leadership: what is strategy, really? While many people mistake strategy for a plan, true strategy is something deeper. Strategy is the process of making decisions and allocating resources to achieve long-term goals under uncertainty and change. ✅ In this episode, you’ll learn: The difference between strategy and planning. Why uncertainty, risk, and competition make strategy essential. How to connect vision, mission, and goals to strategic action. Practical examples of strategy in business and the military. 🎯 Who is this episode for?Business leaders, entrepreneurs, managers, consultants, and anyone searching for clear answers to: What is business strategy? Difference between strategy and a plan How to develop a strategy under uncertainty Why strategy matters for long-term success 🔍 Whether you’re running a startup or leading in a complex organisation, this episode will give you a practical framework for understanding strategy as a living process — not a static document.
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1 week ago
48 minutes 47 seconds

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Episode 133 - Influencers #23 - Mary Parker Follett : The Forgotten Founder of Modern Leadership:
In this Influencers episode, Gareth and Chris shine a light on one of the most overlooked pioneers of leadership and management thinking: Mary Parker Follett. A radical voice from the early 20th century, Follett challenged the rigid, hierarchical models of her time and instead promoted collaboration, empowerment, emotional intelligence, and decentralized decision-making — decades before these ideas were popularized. Gareth and Chris explore why her ideas were ignored, how they’re still relevant (and often misunderstood), and what lessons leaders can draw from her work in today’s AI-driven world. If you think “power with” sounds obvious, think again — Mary said it first, and it was revolutionary.
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2 weeks ago
1 hour 17 minutes 18 seconds

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Episode 130 - The power and value of board games with Lt Col Mike Harvey
In this episode of Battling with Business, Gareth Tennant and Chris Kitchener are joined by Lieutenant Colonel Michael Harvey to explore how games—from ancient board games to modern war gaming and gamified business practices—can teach powerful lessons about leadership, decision-making, strategy, and team behaviour. They challenge the idea that games are childish or trivial and show how, when used properly, they become serious tools for simulating complex situations, developing strategy, breaking down biases, building trust, and improving communication. From role-playing games and corporate war gaming to gamified cybersecurity and leadership development, the trio dive deep into how games can help leaders and teams thrive in uncertainty. If you think games are just for kids, think again.
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3 weeks ago
1 hour 15 minutes 3 seconds

Battling with Business
Episode 132 - Rerelease of episode 2 - Mission, Purpose, Vision & Goals
In this rereleased episode of Battling with Business, hosts Chris and Gareth explore one of the most misunderstood areas of organisational strategy: the difference between mission, purpose, vision, and goals — and how they work together to drive business success. What you’ll learn in this episode: The true meaning of purpose in business and why it matters. How a clear mission statement guides daily operations. What a compelling vision looks like and how it inspires long-term direction. How to set strategic goals that align with your purpose, mission, and vision. 🎯 Whether you’re a business leader, entrepreneur, manager, or consultant, this episode will help you: Avoid common mistakes in strategic planning. Align teams with a clear and motivating direction. Build a strong organisational foundation for sustainable growth. 🔍 Perfect for listeners searching for: “Difference between mission and vision” “What is business purpose?” “How to set strategic goals” “Vision vs mission vs purpose vs goals” “How to align business strategy” This episode offers clear explanations, practical insights, and real-world examples to help you better understand and apply these key concepts in your own organisation.
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3 weeks ago
49 minutes 35 seconds

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Episode 131 - Inside High Performing Teams - Lisa Lloyd on the Psychology of Great Leadership
In this episode of Battling with Business, Gareth and Chris welcome psychologist and workplace culture expert Lisa Lloyd. Together, they dive deep into the emotional and psychological dynamics that underpin effective leadership and high-performing teams. Lisa brings insights from her work in psychology and behavioural science, exploring the importance of understanding emotional needs, building trust, and creating psychological safety. The conversation debunks leadership myths, discusses how to be vulnerable without undermining authority, and outlines how even the smallest behaviours shape culture. Whether you're a seasoned leader or just stepping into management, this episode challenges you to reflect, connect, and lead with greater awareness.
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1 month ago
1 hour 4 minutes 29 seconds

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Episode 129 - Arthur Tedder – The Quiet Architect of Victory
In this episode of Battling with Business, Gareth and Chris delve into the life and leadership of Arthur Tedder, Marshal of the Royal Air Force and one of the most underrated military figures of WWII. Far from the front-page headlines, Tedder played a crucial strategic role as Eisenhower’s deputy, reshaping how air power supported ground operations and building the logistical frameworks that helped win the war. We explore Tedder’s journey from fighter pilot to senior commander, highlighting his diplomatic skills, cross-service curiosity, and ability to combine strategy with operational execution. This is a conversation about what it really takes to lead at scale—and why the best leaders are oftennot the loudest ones.
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1 month ago
1 hour 13 minutes 22 seconds

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Episode 128 - Developing Leaders in the Royal Air Force with the Tedder Leadership Academy - Part 2
In the Second of two episodes of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth visit the Royal Air Force Tedder Leadership Academy to explore the core themes of leadership, management, and command with: Group Captain Emma Keith and Warrant Officer Mark Willis. Together, they delve into: The distinct but interrelated roles of leadership, management, and command in military and civilian contexts. How the RAF develops and nurtures leaders across all ranks and trades. The importance of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity in effective leadership. The evolving challenges of leading in a modern, multi-domain environment. Reflections on how leadership theory is translated into practical delivery through real-world experience and education. Insights into how the Tedder Academy is shaping the next generation of RAF leaders and contributing to wider Defence thinking. What is the role of legacy and handing over command. This episode provides a fascinating window into the RAF’s leadership philosophy and raises thought-provoking questions about what it takes to lead well under pressure, whether in uniform or in business.
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1 month ago
53 minutes 51 seconds

Battling with Business
Episode 127 - Developing Leaders in the Royal Air Force with the Tedder Leadership Academy - Part 1
In the first of two episodes of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth visit the Royal Air Force Tedder Leadership Academy to explore the core themes of leadership, management, and command with: Group Captain Emma Keith and Warrant Officer Mark Willis. Together, they delve into: The distinct but interrelated roles of leadership, management, and command in military and civilian contexts. How the RAF develops and nurtures leaders across all ranks and trades. The importance of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity in effective leadership. The evolving challenges of leading in a modern, multi-domain environment. Reflections on how leadership theory is translated into practical delivery through real-world experience and education. Insights into how the Tedder Academy is shaping the next generation of RAF leaders and contributing to wider Defence thinking. What is the role of legacy and handing over command. This episode provides a fascinating window into the RAF’s leadership philosophy and raises thought-provoking questions about what it takes to lead well under pressure, whether in uniform or in business.  
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2 months ago
50 minutes 19 seconds

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Episode 126 - Leading with Pride – LGBT+ Inclusion in the Armed Forces with Commander Roly Woods
In this powerful episode of Battling with Business, we sit down with Commander Roly Woods, a retired Royal Navy officer with over 46 years of service, to explore the personal and institutional journey of LGBTQ+ inclusion in the British Armed Forces. Now the LGBT Armed Forces Community Memorial Officer for the charity Fighting with Pride, Roly reflects on his early motivations to join the Navy, leadership experiences, and the dramatic transformation of military culture since the lifting of the ban on LGBT personnel in 2000. Together, we delve into the challenges LGBTQ+ service members faced under institutional discrimination — from living in secrecy, to emotional isolation, to dishonourable discharges and loss of medals. Roly shares deeply moving personal stories and historic insights into how courageous individuals and strong leadership drove systemic change across the Royal Navy, leading to today’s more inclusive and emotionally intelligent environment. We also discuss the ongoing efforts of Fighting with Pride, including: Raising awareness of the Veterans’ Financial Recognition Scheme Supporting LGBTQ+ veterans in restoring medals and service records Building community through initiatives like the Snowdonia retreat Leading the creation of the LGBT Armed Forces Memorial at the National Memorial Arboretum Whether you’re interested in military leadership, organizational change, or the evolving rights of LGBTQ+ veterans, this episode provides an essential perspective on how empathy, courage, and advocacy can reshape even the most traditional institutions. Listen now to hear about the untold stories behind the UK military’s transformation — and how leaders like Commander Woods continue to inspire change today.
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2 months ago
1 hour 3 minutes 55 seconds

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Episode 125 - Influencers #21 - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Podcast Summary – Influencers: Ruth Bader Ginsburg In this episode, Chris and Gareth explore the remarkable life and enduring influence of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, examining how her strategic legal work reshaped gender equality in the United States. They discuss her legacy as a pioneering advocate for women’s rights, her resilience in the face of societal and professional obstacles, and her ability to drive lasting change through case law and coalition-building. Using examples like the 20-mph speed limit in Wales, they reflect on the human tendency to resist change before ultimately embracing it—paralleling the societal shifts Ginsburg helped spark. The conversation also delves into broader themes of feminism, the evolving role of women in the military and workforce, and how curiosity and open dialogue can influence personal growth and collective progress. From her ground-breaking legal achievements to her surprising cultural impact—including appearances in Deadpool 2 and Lego form—this episode highlights how Ginsburg’s legacy continues to inspire across political, social, and generational lines. Chris and Gareth underscore the power of conversation, respect across divides, and the courage to challenge the status quo in pursuit of a fairer world.
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2 months ago
1 hour 20 minutes 28 seconds

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Episode 124 - Lessons in systems thinking from the Battle of the Bulge
In this episode, Chris and Gareth reflect on their recent research trip to the Ardennes forest, delving into the leadership, innovation, and operational lessons drawn from key World War II battles, particularly the Battle of the Bulge. Through site visits and historical analysis, they explore the contrasting leadership styles of figures like Adolf Hitler, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Joachim Peiper. They discuss how Eisenhower’s decentralized “mission command” approach enabled Allied adaptability, while Hitler’s rigid and delusional control hampered German success. The conversation also tackles the controversial figure of Peiper, debating whether effectiveness can excuse unethical leadership, and draws comparisons with other military leaders like Paddy Mayne. Chris and Gareth also examine differences in German and Allied military innovation, contrasting the over-engineered but unreliable German Tiger tanks with the more pragmatic and adaptable American Sherman. Drawing lessons for modern leadership and business, they warn against betting on singular, complex solutions instead of scalable, flexible systems. From the surprising utility of the German “Jerry can” to the broader challenges of making decisions under pressure, this episode blends tactical insight with strategic reflection, offering valuable takeaways for leaders in any field.
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2 months ago
1 hour 8 minutes 26 seconds

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Episode 123 - The Jeep Show, keeping up morale in the Battle of the Bulge
In this episode, Chris is joined by author Robert O’Connor to discuss his historical fiction novel 'Jeep Show', a compelling story set during the Battle of the Bulge. Through the eyes of a US Army entertainer turned accidental soldier, we explore the vital role of morale, the hidden power of small, agile teams, and what it means to lead by simply showing up.   Expect insights into:   - Why “being there” can be more powerful than big speeches - How organizations (military or otherwise) respond when missions change - What WW2 can teach modern leaders about team resilience   A must-listen for anyone interested in leadership, history, and human behaviour under pressure.
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3 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes 53 seconds

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Episode 122 - Power, Politics and Strategy: Navigating Leadership in a Shifting Landscape
In this episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth explore the evolving concept of power and its critical role in leadership, politics, and strategic decision-making. From the influence of tech giants like Amazon and Facebook to the personal power wielded by figures like Elon Musk, the discussion highlights how power is becoming both more dispersed and more concentrated in today’s complex environment. They examine how power functions as the currency of politics and the purpose of strategy, and how leaders must skilfully navigate organisational and national-level politics to achieve meaningful outcomes. The conversation also covers internal dynamics—what Chris calls "small politics"—and how these influence team cohesion, decision-making, and long-term success. Reflecting on recent personal updates, including experiments with drones and team-building weekends, Chris also raises important ethical questions about the responsible use of power. The team delve into the risks of power abuse, the fragility of checks and balances, and the moral responsibility of leadership. Past podcast episodes are referenced to build on these themes, including insights from guests at RAF Cranwell and discussions on historical leaders like Stalin. 🔎 Key topics include: What is power and how does it influence outcomes? The intersection of politics, leadership, and strategy Organisational politics vs national political power The risks and responsibilities of power in leadership Why balance, accountability, and ethical reflection matter Don’t miss this thoughtful exploration of how power shapes everything from boardroom decisions to battlefield outcomes. Subscribe now and join the conversation on navigating influence in a rapidly changing world.
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3 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes 13 seconds

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Episode 121 - Beyond the Water Cooler: Military Mindsets, Mission Command and Managing Uncertainty - Interview with psychologist Dr Lisa Lloyd
This week’s episode of Battling with Business takes a unique twist, as host Gareth Tennant is interviewed by Dr Lisa Lloyd on her podcast, Beyond the Water Cooler. In a wide-ranging conversation, Gareth shares insights from his military background and explores how these lessons can be applied in the world of business and leadership. Together, they delve into the critical difference between strategy and tactics, highlighting why understanding both is essential for effective decision-making. Gareth explains the concept of Mission Command, a military philosophy that fosters empowerment, autonomy, and psychological safety—key ingredients for building resilient, high-performing teams. The discussion also emphasises the value of mastering the basics, allowing individuals and teams to focus their mental bandwidth on handling the unexpected. Gareth shares practical ideas on how to train people to become comfortable with uncertainty, rather than simply reacting to it. The episode concludes with a compelling story about a coffee shop chain struggling with brand loyalty and customer satisfaction. Through a wargaming exercise, Gareth helped them identify a need for frontline judgement training—empowering staff with guidelines rather than rigid rules. The shift not only improved employee morale but also enhanced the customer experience. Whether you’re leading in a boardroom or on the battlefield, this episode offers practical leadership lessons on autonomy, adaptability, and decision-making under pressure. 🎧 Listen now to discover how military thinking can transform your business approach. If you would like to hear more from Lisa Lloyd then check out 'Beyond the watercooler' at the link below. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/beyond-the-water-cooler/id1608058237
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3 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 46 seconds

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Episode 120 - Influencers 21 - Stalin: Influence, Leadership and Legacy Part 2
In the second part of our Influencers series on Joseph Stalin, hosts Chris and Gareth dive deep into Stalin's rise to power, his manipulation of leadership dynamics, and his long-lasting impact on global politics. Drawing comparisons to modern influencers like Donald Trump and recent events such as tariff wars, they explore how powerful figures can shift the world order. This episode examines Stalin’s consolidation of power, including the elimination of rivals like Trotsky and Kirov, the Holodomor famine caused by forced collectivization, and the culture of fear that stifled opposition—paralleling toxic leadership in today’s workplaces. The discussion also covers Stalin’s complex relationship with Hitler, the Soviet response to WWII, and the geopolitical fallout of the Potsdam Conference and the Cold War. Gareth and Chris conclude by reflecting on Stalin’s brutal legacy, including the purges of scientists and doctors, and the ongoing romanticization of his regime despite its horrors. They unpack the psychological and organizational lessons leaders today can learn from Stalin’s example—both in what to emulate and what to avoid. Listen now for insights into leadership, influence, and how historical patterns continue to shape today’s political and corporate environments.
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3 months ago
1 hour 24 minutes 41 seconds

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Episode 119 - Influencers 21 - Stalin: Influence, Leadership, and Legacy Part 1
In this gripping episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth dive deep into the life, leadership, and lasting influence of Joseph Stalin. Framed through the lens of influence, the discussion explores how Stalin’s grip on power extended beyond political control to institutionalised fear, ideological purges, and a legacy that echoes into modern Russia and beyond. The episode unpacks Stalin’s early life—from his impoverished childhood, physical impairments, and formative education to his calculated persona as a strong, charismatic leader. Chris and Gareth analyse how Stalin's intelligence and interpersonal skills played a key role in his rise through the ranks of the Communist Party, including his first encounters with Lenin and Trotsky. Listeners will hear a critical breakdown of Stalin’s leadership style: a mix of ideological commitment, brutal pragmatism, and manipulative power plays. The conversation highlights his expansion of the gulag system, his paradoxical stance on protecting the poor, and his personal relationships that reflect both strength and cruelty. A thought-provoking segment compares Stalin with Adolf Hitler, questioning why Hitler is often viewed as the ultimate symbol of evil in the West, despite Stalin’s higher death toll. The hosts explore public perception, wartime narratives, and the nuanced history of Soviet influence in regions like Ukraine. This episode sets the stage for a follow-up conversation on Stalin's role during World War II and the enduring relevance of toxic leadership in modern organisations.
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3 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes 51 seconds

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Episode 118 - What comes next? Transitioning from the military with Oliver Lee
In this second instalment of our compelling two-part conversation, Gareth takes the lead as we welcome back Colonel Oliver Lee OBE—former Royal Marines officer and proven civilian leader—for an unflinching and deeply personal exploration of transition, adaptability, and the enduring nature of authentic leadership. Picking up from where we left off, Oliver shares the emotional and professional turbulence that followed his resignation from the Royal Marines—a decision driven by moral conviction. Far from a smooth exit, he describes the profound disorientation, grief, and practical uncertainties of stepping away from a two-decade military career. With honesty and insight, Oliver details how he rebuilt his belief system, repackaged his skills, and ultimately redefined his purpose in the civilian world. The conversation delves into the hard truths of career reinvention: from navigating executive search firms and confronting misconceptions about military experience, to discovering that leadership, at its core, transcends uniforms, industries, and job titles. Oliver challenges the notion that military leadership is inherently different, arguing persuasively that values like care, courage, and integrity apply just as powerfully in business and social enterprise. Together, Gareth, Chris, and Oliver explore what civilian organisations can learn from the military—and vice versa—touching on themes of diversity, adaptability, and the critical importance of surrounding oneself with complementary perspectives. Oliver’s reflections on inclusion, emotional resilience, and leading in unfamiliar contexts make for a rich and inspiring listen. 🎙️ Whether you're a senior leader, a transitioning professional, or just starting your journey, this episode offers powerful lessons in courage, humility, and growth—on both sides of the uniform. 🔔 Subscribe to Battling with Business for more conversations that get to the heart of leadership, strategy, and the human dynamics that shape them. And if you missed our first episode with Oliver, go back and catch up—these stories are too important to miss.
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4 months ago
1 hour 14 minutes 53 seconds

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Episode 117 - The True Virtues - Integrity and Moral Courage with Col Oliver Lee - Part I
In this powerful episode of Battling with Business, Chris is joined by Colonel Oliver Lee OBE, a former Royal Marines officer and internationally respected leader, for a compelling discussion on leadership, integrity, and moral courage. From leading Royal Marines on operations to shaping organisational culture at the highest levels, Oliver shares his unique leadership journey, starting with a playground protest at age ten and culminating in senior command roles in Afghanistan and Whitehall. He speaks candidly about the principles that guided him throughout his career, the importance of putting people first, and the moral strength needed to lead authentically—even when it comes at personal cost. Together, Chris and Oliver explore the difference between individual and institutional moral courage, using case studies like Sgt Al Blackman to demonstrate the complexity and stakes involved. The conversation delves into Oliver’s controversial experience during the Sgt Al Blackman incident in Afghanistan, and his eventual resignation in protest—a move driven by his belief that the issue went far deeper than one individual. They also discuss the tensions between personal values and organisational culture, especially in high-pressure environments, and the challenges of transitioning from military to civilian leadership. Oliver’s reflections on vulnerability, responsibility, and the importance of authentic leadership provide a rich source of inspiration and insight for anyone leading in complex systems. 🎙️ This is a must-listen episode for leaders in all fields—military, business, or public service—who are grappling with questions of integrity, culture, and the courage to do what’s right. 🔔 Subscribe to Battling with Business for more conversations that get to the heart of leadership, strategy, and the human dynamics that shape them. Be sure to catch our upcoming follow-up with Oliver, where Gareth leads the next phase of this important discussion.
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4 months ago
1 hour 30 minutes 43 seconds

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Episode 116 - Clipboard Heroes and Villains - The power and tyranny of Bureaucracy
In this thought-provoking episode of Battling with Business, Chris and Gareth tackle a topic that’s often the butt of jokes and frustration: bureaucracy. But rather than dismissing it, they make a compelling case for why bureaucracies are essential to the smooth functioning of complex systems—from air travel safety to food distribution and nuclear waste management. They explore how well-designed bureaucracies can drive efficiency, enable innovation, and ensure that large-scale operations don’t descend into chaos. While acknowledging that bureaucracy can be slow, inefficient, or overly rigid, they argue that the real issue lies not in the idea of bureaucracy itself, but in how it’s managed—and by whom. Chris and Gareth challenge the populist narrative that sees bureaucracy as needless red tape, suggesting that reform should be led by experts with a deep understanding of systems, rather than those looking for easy wins or headlines. They discuss the importance of short feedback loops, safe-to-fail environments, and the kind of intellectual curiosity that encourages thoughtful change over reckless disruption. The conversation also touches on the geopolitical risks of cutting foreign aid and dismantling key bureaucratic functions without understanding their consequences—highlighting, for example, the vital role bureaucracy plays in international stability and diplomacy. This episode is a robust defence of structure, process, and institutional memory, and a reminder that behind every system that works, there are usually dedicated people quietly making it happen. 🔔 Subscribe to Battling with Business for more insightful discussions on leadership, strategy, and the systems that shape our world. If you enjoy the episode, don’t forget to share it and let us know what topics you’d like us to cover next!
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4 months ago
1 hour 8 minutes 34 seconds

Battling with Business
In this podcast, Gareth Tennant, a former Royal Marines Officer, and Chris Kitchener, a veteran of the software development world, explore ideas and concepts around teams and teamwork, leaders and leadership, and all things in between. It’s a discussion between a former military commander and a business manager, comparing and contrasting their experiences as they attempt to work out what makes teams, leaders, and businesses tick.