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Why Not Both
Pam Shaffer
150 episodes
1 week ago
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity. Presented by Under The Radar magazine, we interview a wide variety of creative guests who share how their various interests dovetail to create a vibrant life.
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Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity. Presented by Under The Radar magazine, we interview a wide variety of creative guests who share how their various interests dovetail to create a vibrant life.
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Why Not Both
Zola Jesus on creativity, collaboration, and moving the woods

WNB Full Circle presents our past interviews with artistic luminaries that explore the ways we can lead our most creative, passionate, multi-faceted lives.

We all joke about running away to the woods to live out our creative witchy fantasies but musician Zola Jesus actually did it. She spoke with us about the dynamic tension between being an auteur and a collaborator and experimenting with how different locations affect her work. She advocates for living the kind of life that helps you tune into your own creative voice, whatever that might look like for you.

Listen to Zola Jesus' latest work Alive in Cappadocia


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Why Not Both is hosted by ⁠⁠⁠Pam Shaffer⁠⁠⁠ and produced by ⁠⁠⁠Laura Studarus.⁠⁠⁠ The theme music is ⁠⁠⁠Get Down⁠⁠⁠ by Nyxe.

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1 year ago
1 hour 11 minutes 10 seconds

Why Not Both
Kathleen Hanna on creativity and sharing your platform

WNB Full Circle presents our past interviews with artistic luminaries that explore the ways we can lead our most creative, passionate, multi-faceted lives.

Punk rock musician Kathleen Hanna is a feminist icon. From her bands Bikini Kill and Le Tigre to her non profit Tees4Togo, she embodies the kind of multipassionate creative energy that inspires us all to use our voices for good. Since our interview, she has written her memoir, Rebel Girl, which you can pre-order now.

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Why Not Both is hosted by ⁠⁠⁠Pam Shaffer⁠⁠⁠ and produced by ⁠⁠⁠Laura Studarus.⁠⁠⁠ The theme music is ⁠⁠⁠Get Down⁠⁠⁠ by Nyxe.

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1 year ago
1 hour 7 minutes 38 seconds

Why Not Both
Allison Russell on how community is vital to creativity

WNB Full Circle presents our past interviews with artistic luminaries that explore the ways we can lead our most creative, passionate, multi-faceted lives.

This episode features Grammy award winning musician Allison Russell. In this interview, Allison emphasizes the importance of collaboration and community when it comes to leading a creative life. During her Grammy speech, she thanked her colleague and friend Brandi Carlile for opening the door for more diverse folk and American artists, stating that it's "for all of us - all colors, all abilities, all orientations, all gender." We love seeing Allison embody the inclusive ideals she talks about by creating gorgeous music and lifting up those around her.

Listen to Allison Russell's album The Returner

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Why Not Both is hosted by ⁠⁠Pam Shaffer⁠⁠ and produced by ⁠⁠Laura Studarus.⁠⁠ The theme music is ⁠⁠Get Down⁠⁠ by Nyxe.

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1 year ago
48 minutes 27 seconds

Why Not Both
Julien Baker of Boygenius on queer narratives and diverse creativity

WNB Full Circle presents our past interviews with artistic luminaries that explore the ways we can lead our most creative, passionate, multi-faceted lives.

This episode features musician Julien Baker, a brilliant solo artist and member of the supergroup BoyGenius along with Phoebe Bridgers and Lucy Dacus. In this interview, Julien talks about how we create stories to make meaning in our lives and how important it is to see queer representation in our often heteronormative media. Julien shows us how listening to other people's stories and sharing your own is the ultimate act of compassionate creativity.

Listen to Julien's latest solo record Little Oblivions

Listen to BoyGenius' album The Record

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Why Not Both is hosted by ⁠Pam Shaffer⁠ and produced by ⁠Laura Studarus.⁠ The theme music is ⁠Get Down⁠ by Nyxe.

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1 year ago
1 hour 1 minute 28 seconds

Why Not Both
Jensen McRae on creativity, self-compassion, and storytelling

WNB Full Circle presents interviews with artistic luminaries that explore the ways we can lead our most creative, passionate, multi-faceted lives.


This episode features musician, writer, and podcaster Jensen McRae. In this interview, Jensen described how she navigates through life as a professional creative artist by embracing change and exploring storytelling through her songs. She advocated for having compassion for all the past versions of ourselves as well as the present ones so that we can remain curious to who we may become in the future. Since we spoke, Jensen has put her words into action by releasing her debut album Are You Happy Now and her podcast What We You Thinking. If you ever need a master class in embracing your creativity with self compassion and curiosity, Jensen is your girl.

Listen to Jensen McRae's music

Listen to Jensen's podcast (and read her essays) at What We You Thinking

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Follow us on ⁠TikTok,⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠ and ⁠Insta⁠

Follow our podcast on ⁠Apple⁠ and ⁠Spotify⁠ and don't forget to leave us a great review!

Why Not Both is hosted by ⁠Pam Shaffer⁠ and produced by ⁠Laura Studarus.⁠ The theme music is ⁠Get Down⁠ by Nyxe.

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1 year ago
1 hour 42 minutes 3 seconds

Why Not Both
Ólafur Arnalds on creative obsession and finding new ways to express old ideas

WNB Full Circle presents interviews with artistic luminaries that explore the ways we can lead our most creative, passionate, multi-faceted lives.

Our first Full Circle episode features Grammy nominated electronic neo-classical musician Ólafur Arnalds, who spoke to us from his hometown of Reykjavik about the importance of slowing down to appreciate the world around you in order to create your best art. In 2020, he released his album Some Kind Of Peace, a meditation on how sometimes our biggest creative landscape lies within our own isolation, and now his piano reworking of that very same album is nominated for a Grammy award. Arnalds advised us to get obsessed with our creative ideas and revisit old ones often. It's clear that his advice has paid off as he continually finds new ways to question his artistic process to find novel paths for musical expression in his own work as well as his new launch of OPIA Community – a traveling music festival, label and community hub.

Listen to Ólafur's music

Some Kind Of Peace original album

Some Kind of Peace piano reworks

For Now I Am Winter

Check out Ólafur's OPIA community


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Why Not Both is hosted by Pam Shaffer and produced by Laura Studarus. The theme music is Get Down by Nyxe.

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1 year ago
1 hour 19 seconds

Why Not Both
Best Of Why Not Both: Zola Jesus x Lauren Mayberry x Kae Tempest

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by ⁠musician⁠ and ⁠therapist⁠ Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and ⁠photographer⁠ Laura Studarus.  Over the years we have interviewed so many amazing guests that we are releasing a series of Best of Why Not Both episodes which feature clips from our favorite chats. Join us as we unravel the secrets of these iconic individuals who have fearlessly pursued various artistic avenues and discovered their true passion.

Listen to the full episode with Lauren Mayberry of CHVRCHES

In this interview clip, Lauren Mayberry of the band CHVRCHES breaks down the importance of creative evolution as well as the inspiration behind the band's most recent album.

Listen to the full episode with Zola Jesus

In this interview clip, musician Zola Jesus discusses how moving back tot the woods where she grew up revitalized her creative practice and how our surroundings influence our creative output.

Listen to the full episode with Kae Tempest

In this interview clip, poet Kae Tempest reminds our listeners that everyone is inherently creative and that we all need to see reflections of our emotions and thoughts in the world of art around us.

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2 years ago
53 minutes 47 seconds

Why Not Both
Best of Why Not Both: Harvey Guillen x Julien Baker x Anjimile

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by ⁠musician⁠ and ⁠therapist⁠ Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and ⁠photographer⁠ Laura Studarus.  Over the years we have interviewed so many amazing guests that we are releasing a series of Best of Why Not Both episodes which feature clips from our favorite chats. Join us as we unravel the secrets of these iconic individuals who have fearlessly pursued various artistic avenues and discovered their true passion.

Listen to the full episode with Harvey Guillen of What We Do In The Shadows

In this interview clip, the iconic actor Harvey Guillen talks about the importance of queer representation in media and how vital it is to be the kind of adult you needed to see in the world when you were a kid. With humor and grace, Harvey tells the story of how he carved out his path in Hollywood and why he feels honored to show up for the under-represented LGBTQ+ communities of color.

Listen to the full episode with Julien Baker

As 1/3 of BoyGenius, musician Julien Baker is making an impact on mainstream culture by centering queer voices and narratives. In this interview, Julien talks about how it felt to come into her own identity and the importance of having relatable narratives for a broader spectrum of people. She discusses how vital it is to continue learning and expanding your horizons as an artist and a person in the world.

Listen to the full episode with Anjimile

Musician Anjimile spoke to us about how it felt to be a queer artist in the world today and why sometimes you have to cut ties with your past in order to embrace your future. They narrated how their journey of self discovery through music led them to creating and embracing community and becoming a critically acclaimed songwriter.


Gain invaluable insights, learn practical tips, and be inspired to embrace your own multi-passionate nature. Subscribe to the Why Not Both Podcast now and immerse yourself in the transformative power of pursuing multiple creative paths.

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2 years ago
42 minutes 55 seconds

Why Not Both
Best of Why Not Both: David Duchovny x William Shatner x Jon Hopins

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by ⁠musician⁠ and ⁠therapist⁠ Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and ⁠photographer⁠ Laura Studarus.  Over the years we have interviewed so many amazing guests that we are releasing a series of Best of Why Not Both episodes which feature clips from our favorite chats. Join us as we unravel the secrets of these iconic individuals who have fearlessly pursued various artistic avenues and discovered their true passion.

In this captivating interview, David Duchovny, renowned actor and musician, shares his journey of exploring both the silver screen and the music industry, showcasing how embracing diverse creative outlets can unlock hidden talents and bring immense satisfaction amidst moments of self doubt.

You can find our full interview here:

⁠David Duchovny

William Shatner, the legendary actor, writer, and director, takes us on an awe-inspiring adventure, revealing how his ventures in acting, writing, and even music have propelled him towards self-discovery and an unparalleled sense of fulfillment as we chat about the very nature of the universe.

You can find our full interview here:

⁠William Shatner

Electronica maestro Jon Hopkins mesmerizes us with his tale of intertwining passions in music production and visual art. Discover how his multidimensional approach to creativity has not only fueled his success but also enriched his personal growth thru psychedelic therapy.

You can find our full interview here:

⁠Jon Hopkins

Gain invaluable insights, learn practical tips, and be inspired to embrace your own multipassionate nature. Subscribe to the Why Not Both Podcast now and immerse yourself in the transformative power of pursuing multiple creative paths.

Subscribe and listen on ⁠Youtube⁠

Create chaos on ⁠TikTok⁠

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Keywords: David Duchovny, William Shatner, Jon Hopkins, creative paths, fulfillment, multiple passions, interviews, self-discovery, Why Not Both Podcast

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2 years ago
40 minutes 34 seconds

Why Not Both
Best of Why Not Both: Devon Gilfillian x Allison Russell

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by ⁠musician⁠ and ⁠therapist⁠ Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and ⁠photographer⁠ Laura Studarus.  Over the years we have interviewed so many amazing guests that we are releasing a series of Best of Why Not Both episodes which feature clips from our favorite chats. This episode features Devon Gilfillian and Allison Russell, two brilliant artists and activists in Nashville, Tennessee.

You can find their full interviews here:

Devon Gilfillian

Allison Russell


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2 years ago
24 minutes 40 seconds

Why Not Both
Best of Why Not Both: Aurora x Sudan Archives x HANA

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  Over the years we have interviewed so many amazing guests that we are releasing a series of Best of Why Not Both episodes which feature clips from our favorite chats. This episode features the artists Aurora, Sudan Archives and HANA, all brilliant creators with their own takes on how collaboration and unexpected inspiration combine to craft creative alchemy.

You can find the full interviews here:

Aurora

Sudan Archives

HANA


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2 years ago
43 minutes 30 seconds

Why Not Both
Bonus Ep 8: How Jeffrey Leiser made the ultimate Icelandic opera

We got to chat with Jeffrey Leiser about why he decided that he absolutely had to make Freydís and Gudrid, an Icelandic opera film, the magic of sound design, and how he wants to set a positive example of a life well lived for his kids.

Did we catch your interest? You can also keep up with Jeffrey's work at Albino Fawn Productions and on Instagram.

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2 years ago
1 hour 1 minute 50 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 131: Elias Rønnenfelt of Iceage on how death is the ultimate boss

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

Between wild adventures on Russian trains and music fans with machetes, Elias Rønnenfelt of the band Iceage advocates for letting yourself get a little uncomfortable in order to access your creativity. As a touring musician, Elias told us about his wanderlust and how it gave him a new appreciation for some of the basics of domestic life in the rare moments that he is sitting still. Sometimes you have to get cozy in the chaos to find the best moments of inspiration.

Listen to Iceage newest release Shake The Feeling

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2 years ago
47 minutes 36 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 130: Harper Simon x Julia Holter on creativity, crime and medieval love affairs

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

We chatted with Harper Simon and Julia Holter about medieval love affairs, polyphonic vocal arrangements and the joys of collaboration for this week's episode. The duo worked together on a track for Meditations on Crime, the multimedia project Harper spearheaded that explores the nature of transgression through music, art, and prose. We loved getting to hear them pick each other's brains about the writing process, melodic intentions and expression across artistic media. 

Listen to Meditations on Crime

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Listen to Julia Holter's album Aviary

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2 years ago
1 hour 14 minutes 35 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 129: Tove Lo on creative joy and the magic of body acceptance

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

Tove Lo spent a fair bit of time in her youth fighting with her body, but these days, she uses it as a vehicle for making art and creating space for healing. We loved getting to learn about her collaborators, particularly choreographer Teresa Toogie Barcelo, who worked with her on her latest music video "Grapefruit." Here's to embracing ourselves and our stories at all the phases of our lives so we can create connections and beautiful art.

Listen to Tove Lo's latest album Dirt Femme

Watch the video for "Grapefruit"

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3 years ago
49 minutes 11 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 128: S.G. Goodman on powerful songs and political activism

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

In an increasingly divisive landscape, S.G. Goodman makes music that reminds us that we can choose community instead of choosing sides. She spoke with us about her political activism that started with her passion for student government and led to her voice to help elect governor Andy BeShear in her native state of Kentucky. Goodman reminds us that we can respect and foster the common humanity in one another once we delve into the darkness and light that have brought us to our current circumstances.

Listen to S.G. Goodman's latest record Teeth Marks

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3 years ago
39 minutes 15 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 127: Eerie Wanda and the art of near death experiences

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

Near death experiences, unusual moments, and novel drum parts are all fair game when it comes to the creations of Marina Tadic, aka Eerie Wanda. We loved getting to chat with her about the creative process behind her new collection of songs and visuals and were inspired by her joy in the vulnerable and the absurd. When in doubt, embrace the darkness, the light, and everything in between.

Listen to Eerie Wanda's newest album Internal Radio

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3 years ago
1 hour 11 minutes 20 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 126: Bryce Drew on collaboration and the importance of leading a colorful life

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

Bryce Drew has moved around to many colorful locations, from her childhood summers spent in Trinidad to growing up in Miami, studying songwriting in Nashville and now living in Los Angeles, Each place has given her a new visual and sonic palette which you can hear on her latest song Still Recovering. We loved chatting with her about the magic that each space and collaboration brings out in her work and how we can tune into the ourselves through the colors and sounds that surround us.

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3 years ago
55 minutes 42 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 125: John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats on creativity and absurdity

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

John Darnielle lives purely in the creative moment, whether he is crafting songs for his band The Mountain Goats, writing novels like his newest work Devil House, or simply trying to figure out why his phone has duplicated all of his contacts. He describes his attention span as intense and yet diffuse, a quality that allows him to have sprawling conversations and entertain a broad range of ideas that all coalesce into his multiple artistic endeavors. Throughout our chat, his vibrant dark humor and quick mind served as a remind to stay present to the absurdity and joy right in front of us.  

Get John's latest novel Devil House 

Listen to The Mountain Goats new record Bleed Out 

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3 years ago
1 hour 22 minutes 5 seconds

Why Not Both
Ep 124: MØ on music and microcosms

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives.

As a songwriter and artist, MØ is not so secretly everywhere, with tons of amazing collaborations as well as her new solo album Motordrome. We loved getting to chat with her about how she took time off of touring to hop back into her life in Copenhagen and how spending time with her friends and family filled her creative cup. It's a wild idea but she just might be onto something when she suggested that we make some of our best work if we take little breaks every so often...

Listen to MØ's album Motordrome

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3 years ago
44 minutes 11 seconds

Why Not Both
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity. Presented by Under The Radar magazine, we interview a wide variety of creative guests who share how their various interests dovetail to create a vibrant life.