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Two Therapists At A Bar
Dale Pickett and David Buruchara
42 episodes
4 days ago
Two sober therapists walk into a bar... and dive deep into mental health, relationships, and life's biggest questions.
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Two sober therapists walk into a bar... and dive deep into mental health, relationships, and life's biggest questions.
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Mental Health
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Two Therapists At A Bar
Has AI Broken Education? (feat. Dr. Tron Wilder)

In this episode, Dale and I sit down with Dale’s former graduate school professor, Dr. Tron Wilder, to explore the intersections of faith, education, and psychology in the age of AI. Tron shares his journey into academia and the challenges professors face as artificial intelligence reshapes the learning landscape. We also talk about his faith journey and how he reconciles his Christian worldview with the realities of teaching psychology at a faith-based university. It’s a thoughtful conversation about belief, purpose, and what it means to educate minds in a changing world.


Dr. Tron Wilder is a professor and Director of the Undergraduate Psychology Program at Southern Adventist University near Chattanooga, TN. Currently on sabbatical, he’s completing clinical hours toward full licensure as a psychologist at the Chattanooga Autism Center. Before joining Southern in 2013, he worked for a decade as a school psychologist serving children with learning and developmental needs. Tron lives in downtown Chattanooga with his wife, Kristie—who teaches in Southern’s School of Social Work—and their two sons, Ace and Jude.

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4 days ago
1 hour 33 minutes 36 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
When Does Selfishness Become Narcissism?

In this episode, we unpack a tricky question: Is it selfishness, or is it narcissism? We explore where narcissism comes from, how it differs from ordinary self-interest, and why the word gets thrown around so loosely today. We also talk about how to recognize the difference in ourselves and others—and what can be done about it.

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1 week ago
1 hour 29 seconds

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Engineering Life Through Brain Cancer with Christopher George

In this episode, we sit down with Chris George—founder and CEO of Sproutly—to trace the arc of his story, from growing up as a homeschooled missionary kid in the jungles of the Philippines, to his transition back to life and studies in the U.S., to building a successful software company. Today, Chris is facing terminal brain cancer, and he reflects with honesty and depth on what this diagnosis has taught him about purpose, resilience, and living fully.


Chris George is the founder and CEO of Sproutly, a software company he launched in 2017 to reimagine how digital tools can empower businesses and individuals. With a background in engineering and an unconventional childhood spent as a missionary kid in the Philippines, Chris brings a global perspective to his work and life

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2 weeks ago
1 hour 25 minutes 57 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Responding to Charlie Kirk’s Death — Part 2

In Part Two of our reflection on Charlie Kirk’s death, we shift to the bigger question of whether we can still agree to disagree—and what it would take to bring back civil conversation. From there, we explore forgiveness through the lens of Erika Kirk’s response—asking whether forgiveness can be genuine, performative, or something in between.


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3 weeks ago
1 hour 2 minutes 30 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Responding to Charlie Kirk’s Death — Part 1

In this episode, we sit with the reactions—our own and others’—to Charlie Kirk’s death. Social media has made it possible for people to share thoughts and feelings publicly that once would have stayed private, and we talk about the impact of that, especially the harmful implications.

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1 month ago
56 minutes 8 seconds

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Kenya vs. America: Culture, Leadership & Relationships with Chris Mureithi

In this episode, David and Dale sit down with David’s childhood friend, Chris Mureithi, our first international guest, to explore the cultural contrasts between Kenya and the United States. Chris shares his perspective on parenting, leadership, and romantic relationships, offering both critique and appreciation for each culture’s unique strengths and blind spots. With humor, energy, and insight, Chris invites us to rethink how culture and leadership shapes the way we lead, love, and raise the next generation.


Chris Mureithi is an award-winning Leadership and Motivational Speaker, author of three books, and international trainer who has equipped over 800,000 leaders globally. Known for his humor, storytelling, and high-energy delivery, he inspires audiences to transform culture, embrace change, and achieve peak performance. His expertise spans Change Management, Customer Experience, Personal Branding, Emotional Intelligence, Team Building, Public Speaking, and Storytelling training. Trusted by governments, NGOs, multinationals, SMEs, academic institutions, and faith organizations, Chris is passionate about creating impactful experiences that drive real results.

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1 month ago
1 hour 10 minutes 13 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
"The Body Does NOT Keep The Score" with Dr. Mike Scheeringa

In recent years, a surge of work—from best-selling books like The Body Keeps the Score to documentaries, podcasts, and professional trainings— have shaped how the public and mental health profession think about trauma and the body. But what if the science isn’t as settled as we think?

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michael Scheeringa, a leading child and adolescent trauma psychiatrist, researcher, and author of The Body Does Not Keep The Score & The Trouble with Trauma. Dr. Scheeringa challenges popular narratives around “toxic stress,” trauma-induced brain damage, and trauma-informed ideology, bringing a data-driven perspective to one of the most emotionally charged topics in mental health.

We explore:

  • The science (and limits) behind trauma and brain research

  • Why the diathesis-stress model might explain PTSD better than the “toxic stress” story

  • The role of predisposition vs. protective factors in trauma recovery

  • Whether popular trauma frameworks are shaped more by politics than by evidence

Whether you’re a clinician or curious listener, this conversation will challenge you, like it did us, to think more critically about trauma science.


Guest Bio

Dr. Michael S. Scheeringa, M.D. is a retired child and adolescent psychiatrist, former Professor and Vice Chair at Tulane University School of Medicine, and a leading researcher in the field of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Over his nearly three-decade career, he has served as principal investigator on more than 15 federally funded studies, authored over 90 peer-reviewed articles, and written several books, including The Trouble with Trauma and Treating PTSD in Preschoolers. Dr Scheeringa's research informed the DSM-5 criteria for PTSD in young children.



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1 month ago
2 hours 18 minutes 12 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
The Curse of Knowledge

In this episode, we explore the curse of knowledge—how knowing something can sometimes hold us back instead of helping us move forward. From the illusion of mastery to the gap between what we know and what we actually live out, we talk about how knowledge can create blind spots in relationships, work, and personal growth—and what we can do to break free from it.

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1 month ago
1 hour 9 minutes 49 seconds

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The Creative Fight Against Sex Trafficking with Sabrina-Dorman Andrew

In this powerful episode, we sit with Sabrina Dorman‑Andrew, founder of New Creation VA, to explore how one broken building—a former adult store—became a beacon of hope. We dive into the extraordinary journey of transforming darkness into dignity, creating dignified work for survivors, and building a nonprofit that combines prevention education, survivor restoration, and global partnerships. Sabrina shares the pivotal moments that sparked her mission, the challenges of breathing life into a vision, and how we all can play a meaningful part in counteracting human trafficking.


Sabrina Dorman-Andrew is the co-founder and executive director of New Creation VA, a nonprofit born out of a powerful vision to creatively counteract human trafficking. Sabrina and her husband Steve have partnered with over 200 artisan groups across five continents, empowering survivors and vulnerable individuals through dignified employment and education. Rooted in faith and community, Sabrina champions prevention programs for youth and sustainable job creation.

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2 months ago
1 hour 39 minutes 41 seconds

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What Makes an Apology Real?

In this episode, we unpack why “sorry” so often falls flat after a grievance. We talk how real repair requires more than trying to “pay for your sins” with acts of guilt or obsequiousness. We also explore forgiveness on the part of the hurt partner, making amends, and what it takes to rebuild trust after hurting your partner.

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2 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes 45 seconds

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ADHD & Parenting as a Therapist with Carrie Landis

In this heartfelt conversation, we reconnect with Carrie Landis—an early-career friend of Dale’s and now the founder and director of Riverside Family Support. Carrie opens up about building her private therapeutic practice and the unique joys and challenges of parenting as a therapist. Together we discuss the journey of discovering ADHD in adulthood, parenting through the lens of attachment, and much more.


Note: Unfortunately, the first part of the episode wasn’t recorded, but we join the discussion already underway.


Carrie Landis, LCSW, MAT, is the founder and director of Riverside Family Support, a practice focused on helping families and individuals thrive. She holds dual master’s degrees in social work and teaching, and has over a decade of experience as an educator and clinician. Carrie specializes in attachment-focused therapy, ADHD and executive function support, EMDR, and forensic evaluations. She’s passionate about blending her professional expertise with the real-life challenges of parenting.


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2 months ago
1 hour 24 minutes 27 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
When “Trying Your Best” Isn’t Enough

What happens when you’ve poured in all the effort you think you have… but it still doesn’t feel like enough? In this episode, we take inspiration from Kate Hall’s article Maybe You’re Not Actually Trying and dive deeper into the layered realities of effort. We talk about the different ways “trying” can show up, why we sometimes mistake exhaustion for progress, and how to identify the hidden opportunities we might be ignoring.

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2 months ago
49 minutes 33 seconds

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ER Stories, Mental Health & Burnout with Dr. Jon Van Ornam

In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Jon Van Ornam—an emergency medicine physician. We talk about his experience on the front lines of the ER, how he navigates mental health crises in patients, and why many doctors avoid getting help themselves. We also dive into personality traits in medicine, the link between narcissism and leadership in healthcare, and the supplement protocol he personally uses to stay mentally and physically sharp.


Dr. Jonathan D. Van Ornam, MD, MBA, is a board-certified emergency medicine physician based in Boston, Massachusetts.


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2 months ago
1 hour 46 minutes 17 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Moving Forward After Betrayal

In this episode, we delve into the experience of betrayal in relationships—what it feels like, why it impacts us so profoundly, and how we can heal. We explore how to process the pain and grow amidst it, whether or not the person who hurt you ever changes.

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3 months ago
58 minutes 42 seconds

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From The Ground Up: Farming & Mental Health with Philip Wiygul

In this episode, we sit down with our friend Philip Wiygul, a lifelong outdoorsman and agricultural educator, to talk about his journey into farming and how he’s blended his love of the land with a passion for teaching. We explore the highs and lows of farm life, career reflections on purpose and resilience, and how mental health shows up in both quiet moments and busy seasons.


Philip Wiygul serves as the Agricultural Director at Shenandoah Valley Academy, where he leads hands-on food production for both the school and local community. A lifelong outdoorsman, Philip combines his love for farming with a passion for education and mentoring students, teaching sustainable agriculture in real-world, educational settings.


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3 months ago
1 hour 25 minutes 42 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Porn in A Marriage: What No One Talks About

In this episode, we finally dive deep into a topic we’ve lightly touched on before—pornography, unwanted sexual behavior, and sex addiction. We focus especially on how these aspects show up in marriages and long-term relationships. What exactly is sex addiction, and is it even real? Is porn use within a marriage ever healthy? How can partners tell the difference between occasional use, compulsive patterns, and full-blown addiction?

We explore the emotional toll on both parties, what accountability and recovery can look like, and what betrayed partners can do to support themselves. Whether you’re personally impacted or just curious, this honest conversation offers clarity, support, and hope

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3 months ago
1 hour 23 minutes 16 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Where Physics Meets Our Inner Worlds with Dr. Klebert Feitosa

Curious about how cutting-edge physics relates to consciousness, spirituality, and mental health? In this episode, we nerd out with Dr. Klebert Feitosa—professor an experimental physicist at James Madison University. We break down big ideas like quantum mechanics and soft-matter physics in a way that even a 10‑year‑old can understand—and we explore how these concepts intersect with faith, consciousness, and emotional resilience. From the classroom to the cosmos, this is a fun, enlightening dive into why science. and its deeper implications, matters to all of us.


Dr. Klebert Feitosa is a professor of physics at James Madison University, where he specializes in soft matter physics—studying materials like foams, bubbles, and grains. His research explores how everyday materials behave under stress, revealing surprising insights about the world around us. Known for making complex topics engaging and accessible, Dr. Feitosa is passionate about connecting science to everyday life—and sparking curiosity in others.


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3 months ago
1 hour 22 minutes 6 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Surviving Your Boss

In this episode, we dig into one of the trickiest parts of work life: navigating your relationship with your boss. Whether you have a supportive supervisor or a toxic micromanager, the dynamic you have with your boss can make or break your experience. We talk about the power structures at play, how to manage up with integrity, and what strategies and mindsets can help you stay grounded.

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4 months ago
1 hour 51 seconds

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Mental Health in Law Enforcement with Matthew Hand

In this episode, we sit down with First Sergeant Matt Hand of the Virginia State Police to talk about the human side of law enforcement. Matt shares stories from his 20+ year career—from high-speed chases to moments of trauma—and opens up about the mental health toll that often goes unspoken. We discuss the myths surrounding cops and therapy, the pressures of the job, and why vulnerability might be one of the most powerful tools an officer can have. Here's a look into mental health behind the badge.


Matt Hand is a First Sergeant with the Virginia State Police. As a seasoned interdictor and dedicated public servant, he brings both strength and humility to his work. Matt is deeply committed to protecting communities, mentoring fellow officers, and serving as a role model both on duty and at home. He balances this demanding career with family life, offering a grounded perspective on leadership, resilience, and service.

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4 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes 46 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Lessons from Fatherhood

In this Father’s Day episode, David interviews Dale about his journey into fatherhood. Was being a dad always part of the plan? What shaped his desire to become a father and what keeps him going now as a dad of four? Dale opens up about the lessons, struggles, and surprises he’s faced along the way, how his own story shaped his parenting.

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4 months ago
1 hour 18 minutes 26 seconds

Two Therapists At A Bar
Two sober therapists walk into a bar... and dive deep into mental health, relationships, and life's biggest questions.