Search News You Can Use - SEO Podcast with Marie Haynes
Marie Haynes
201 episodes
5 months ago
It was an honour to attend Google I/O in person.
Search is changing radically! Google called it a new era of Search with Gemini 2.5 at its core.
This podcast episode was recorded live.
Stay up to date on AI with my newsletter: https://mariehaynes.com/newsletter
Immediate updates on important AI and SEO news in my community, the Search Bar: https://community.mariehaynes.com/spaces/11879397/feed
0:00 – 0:51 Welcome & recap of Google I/O invitation, outline of the live episode’s agenda
0:51 – 1:55 Screen-share setup; meeting Sundar Pichai and Sergey Brin anecdotes
2:40 – 4:15 What AI Mode is, why Google may replace “classic” search, and the query fan-out patent
4:15 – 6:02 How clicks train AI Mode; demo showing 59 source sites and the result carousel
7:03 – 9:14 Ethics of Google using web content; E-E-A-T impact on carousel inclusion
9:55 – 12:22 Accuracy, hallucinations, feedback buttons, and why original content matters
14:00 – 17:21 Freshness signals, library analogy for originality, Gemini Live phone demo
17:21 – 27:55 Gemini AR glasses test, personal-context search & privacy implications
32:21 – 35:22 Gemini in Chrome: on-page AI assistance, summarisation, e-commerce concerns
35:22 – 40:47 Project Mariner: browser agents that automate multitab workflows; job impact
40:47 – 43:59 Agent Mode & agent-to-agent checkout; custom charts/graphs in AI Mode
43:59 – 50:52 Deep Search (multi-query research) and uploading your own files for reports
50:52 – 54:42 E-commerce upgrades: “Try it On” virtual fitting, price-tracking, “Buy for Me” with Google Pay, Wing drone delivery
54:42 – 57:00 Gemini V3 multimodal video creation, Flow editor, AI content production costs
57:00 – 60:00 Google’s universal AI assistant vision, coming hardware, and industry upheaval
60:00 – 61:00 Sergey Brin on the web’s unpredictability ten years out; reflections on accelerating change
61:00 – 62:27 Dario Amodei’s forecast of 20 % unemployment from AI; balancing fear with opportunity
62:27 – 63:50 Learning-curve discussion: experiment daily, let Gemini/ChatGPT tutor you step by step
63:50 – 66:00 Question on falling organic clicks: focus on conversions, cite Will Reynolds’ data, report revenue over raw traffic
66:00 – 67:12 Who gets credit—SEO or CRO? Rebranding SEO as AIO/GEO and outlining the evolving practitioner role
67:12 – 68:32 Brand building beyond Wikipedia: podcasts, social presence, authoritative mentions; example of podcast mention boosting AI-overview visibility
68:32 – 69:20 LLMs.txt debate: no major model honors it yet, so implementing it is likely wasted effort
69:20 – 70:10 Server-log analysis of AI bots: seeing ByteDance and others, limited actionable value beyond selective blocking
70:10 – 71:10 Google Agent Space: 100-seat minimum, use cases for large agencies (onboarding, HR, process agents)
71:10 – 72:10 MCP for e-commerce customization tools; preparing your site for future agent-to-agent APIs
72:10 – 73:20 Speculation that many third-party agent frameworks will fade once Google/OpenAI integrate agents natively
73:20 – 74:10 Community learning benefits; SEO skillset as problem-solving edge in the AI era
74:10 – 75:25 Overview of the Search Bar Pro community, tutorials, “happy hour” discussions, member advantages
75:25 – 76:50 Coping with upheaval: lamplighter analogy, choosing optimism, hunting for new opportunities
76:50 – 78:00 Closing remarks: upcoming talks on BCIs and agents
78:00 – 87:08 Final chat exchanges, farewells, and session wrap-up
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It was an honour to attend Google I/O in person.
Search is changing radically! Google called it a new era of Search with Gemini 2.5 at its core.
This podcast episode was recorded live.
Stay up to date on AI with my newsletter: https://mariehaynes.com/newsletter
Immediate updates on important AI and SEO news in my community, the Search Bar: https://community.mariehaynes.com/spaces/11879397/feed
0:00 – 0:51 Welcome & recap of Google I/O invitation, outline of the live episode’s agenda
0:51 – 1:55 Screen-share setup; meeting Sundar Pichai and Sergey Brin anecdotes
2:40 – 4:15 What AI Mode is, why Google may replace “classic” search, and the query fan-out patent
4:15 – 6:02 How clicks train AI Mode; demo showing 59 source sites and the result carousel
7:03 – 9:14 Ethics of Google using web content; E-E-A-T impact on carousel inclusion
9:55 – 12:22 Accuracy, hallucinations, feedback buttons, and why original content matters
14:00 – 17:21 Freshness signals, library analogy for originality, Gemini Live phone demo
17:21 – 27:55 Gemini AR glasses test, personal-context search & privacy implications
32:21 – 35:22 Gemini in Chrome: on-page AI assistance, summarisation, e-commerce concerns
35:22 – 40:47 Project Mariner: browser agents that automate multitab workflows; job impact
40:47 – 43:59 Agent Mode & agent-to-agent checkout; custom charts/graphs in AI Mode
43:59 – 50:52 Deep Search (multi-query research) and uploading your own files for reports
50:52 – 54:42 E-commerce upgrades: “Try it On” virtual fitting, price-tracking, “Buy for Me” with Google Pay, Wing drone delivery
54:42 – 57:00 Gemini V3 multimodal video creation, Flow editor, AI content production costs
57:00 – 60:00 Google’s universal AI assistant vision, coming hardware, and industry upheaval
60:00 – 61:00 Sergey Brin on the web’s unpredictability ten years out; reflections on accelerating change
61:00 – 62:27 Dario Amodei’s forecast of 20 % unemployment from AI; balancing fear with opportunity
62:27 – 63:50 Learning-curve discussion: experiment daily, let Gemini/ChatGPT tutor you step by step
63:50 – 66:00 Question on falling organic clicks: focus on conversions, cite Will Reynolds’ data, report revenue over raw traffic
66:00 – 67:12 Who gets credit—SEO or CRO? Rebranding SEO as AIO/GEO and outlining the evolving practitioner role
67:12 – 68:32 Brand building beyond Wikipedia: podcasts, social presence, authoritative mentions; example of podcast mention boosting AI-overview visibility
68:32 – 69:20 LLMs.txt debate: no major model honors it yet, so implementing it is likely wasted effort
69:20 – 70:10 Server-log analysis of AI bots: seeing ByteDance and others, limited actionable value beyond selective blocking
70:10 – 71:10 Google Agent Space: 100-seat minimum, use cases for large agencies (onboarding, HR, process agents)
71:10 – 72:10 MCP for e-commerce customization tools; preparing your site for future agent-to-agent APIs
72:10 – 73:20 Speculation that many third-party agent frameworks will fade once Google/OpenAI integrate agents natively
73:20 – 74:10 Community learning benefits; SEO skillset as problem-solving edge in the AI era
74:10 – 75:25 Overview of the Search Bar Pro community, tutorials, “happy hour” discussions, member advantages
75:25 – 76:50 Coping with upheaval: lamplighter analogy, choosing optimism, hunting for new opportunities
76:50 – 78:00 Closing remarks: upcoming talks on BCIs and agents
78:00 – 87:08 Final chat exchanges, farewells, and session wrap-up
It was an honour to attend Google I/O in person.
Search is changing radically! Google called it a new era of Search with Gemini 2.5 at its core.
This podcast episode was recorded live.
Stay up to date on AI with my newsletter: https://mariehaynes.com/newsletter
Immediate updates on important AI and SEO news in my community, the Search Bar: https://community.mariehaynes.com/spaces/11879397/feed
0:00 – 0:51 Welcome & recap of Google I/O invitation, outline of the live episode’s agenda
0:51 – 1:55 Screen-share setup; meeting Sundar Pichai and Sergey Brin anecdotes
2:40 – 4:15 What AI Mode is, why Google may replace “classic” search, and the query fan-out patent
4:15 – 6:02 How clicks train AI Mode; demo showing 59 source sites and the result carousel
7:03 – 9:14 Ethics of Google using web content; E-E-A-T impact on carousel inclusion
9:55 – 12:22 Accuracy, hallucinations, feedback buttons, and why original content matters
14:00 – 17:21 Freshness signals, library analogy for originality, Gemini Live phone demo
17:21 – 27:55 Gemini AR glasses test, personal-context search & privacy implications
32:21 – 35:22 Gemini in Chrome: on-page AI assistance, summarisation, e-commerce concerns
35:22 – 40:47 Project Mariner: browser agents that automate multitab workflows; job impact
40:47 – 43:59 Agent Mode & agent-to-agent checkout; custom charts/graphs in AI Mode
43:59 – 50:52 Deep Search (multi-query research) and uploading your own files for reports
50:52 – 54:42 E-commerce upgrades: “Try it On” virtual fitting, price-tracking, “Buy for Me” with Google Pay, Wing drone delivery
54:42 – 57:00 Gemini V3 multimodal video creation, Flow editor, AI content production costs
57:00 – 60:00 Google’s universal AI assistant vision, coming hardware, and industry upheaval
60:00 – 61:00 Sergey Brin on the web’s unpredictability ten years out; reflections on accelerating change
61:00 – 62:27 Dario Amodei’s forecast of 20 % unemployment from AI; balancing fear with opportunity
62:27 – 63:50 Learning-curve discussion: experiment daily, let Gemini/ChatGPT tutor you step by step
63:50 – 66:00 Question on falling organic clicks: focus on conversions, cite Will Reynolds’ data, report revenue over raw traffic
66:00 – 67:12 Who gets credit—SEO or CRO? Rebranding SEO as AIO/GEO and outlining the evolving practitioner role
67:12 – 68:32 Brand building beyond Wikipedia: podcasts, social presence, authoritative mentions; example of podcast mention boosting AI-overview visibility
68:32 – 69:20 LLMs.txt debate: no major model honors it yet, so implementing it is likely wasted effort
69:20 – 70:10 Server-log analysis of AI bots: seeing ByteDance and others, limited actionable value beyond selective blocking
70:10 – 71:10 Google Agent Space: 100-seat minimum, use cases for large agencies (onboarding, HR, process agents)
71:10 – 72:10 MCP for e-commerce customization tools; preparing your site for future agent-to-agent APIs
72:10 – 73:20 Speculation that many third-party agent frameworks will fade once Google/OpenAI integrate agents natively
73:20 – 74:10 Community learning benefits; SEO skillset as problem-solving edge in the AI era
74:10 – 75:25 Overview of the Search Bar Pro community, tutorials, “happy hour” discussions, member advantages
75:25 – 76:50 Coping with upheaval: lamplighter analogy, choosing optimism, hunting for new opportunities
76:50 – 78:00 Closing remarks: upcoming talks on BCIs and agents
78:00 – 87:08 Final chat exchanges, farewells, and session wrap-up
Google's Agent2Agent (A2A) protocol is here, and it's set to change everything. Announced at Cloud Next 2025, this new standard allows AI agents to talk directly to each other.
What does this mean? An internet powered by communicating AI, radical changes for businesses using tools like Agentspace and the Customer Engagement Suite, and a potential upheaval for traditional SEO.
I share thoughts about A2A, the Agent Development Kit (ADK), Agent Cards, and why the future of the web might look very different, very soon.
More, including links to all of the resources mentioned in my blog post:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/googles-agent2agent-protocol-will-radically-change-the-web/
Subscribe to my newsletter for all of the interesting news as AI changes our world:
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Dr. Marie Haynes discusses the future of AI, highlighting the massive investments being made by companies like Google, Meta, and Amazon. She acknowledges concerns about job loss and fear for the future but presents an optimistic vision, quoting Sam Altman and Elon Musk who believe AI will lead to greater prosperity and even a universal high income.
Marie details how AI is currently used for tasks like organizing thoughts and image generation, but its true potential lies in AI agents. These agents will research and complete tasks, changing how we interact with the web and businesses. She gives examples of using agents for hotel and flight research and deep research projects.
She also talks about using AI for coding and creating tools, sharing her personal experience of developing a tool to analyze website traffic drops. Marie believes AI agents will become like employees, increasing productivity and allowing her to focus on more complex tasks. She envisions AI optimizing businesses in various ways, such as chatbots, competitor research, and IP creation.
Marie acknowledges the disruption AI will cause, leading to job losses in digital marketing and other industries. She compares this to historical technological shifts like electricity and the printing press, noting that while there were initial negative consequences and job losses, these technologies ultimately led to progress and new opportunities.
She encourages listeners to embrace AI, suggesting they learn to code with AI, stay updated on AI developments, and become experts in AI in specific areas. She also advises sharing their knowledge and learning to communicate effectively with language models (prompting). Haynes believes AI will improve our lives, offering advancements in healthcare, mental well-being, and innovation. She concludes by emphasizing the importance of being part of shaping the future of AI, rather than just watching it happen.
Learn to prompt with a weekly email from Marie Haynes:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/prompts
Marie's AI Newsletter:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/newsletter
Is Grok 3 a serious threat to Google? In this LIVE episode of AI News You Can Use Dr. Marie Haynes demonstrates Grok 3 as well as the Deep Research tools from Grok, Gemini and OpenAI.
We'll discuss the future of Search and how we can be the leaders of the future as AI changes our world.
Join the Search Bar to participate in future epsiodes:
https://community.mariehaynes.com/
Marie's Newsletter:
https://mariehaynes.com/newsletter/
The January 2025 update of Google's Quality Rater Guidelines had many important changes including sections on:
-filler content
-paraphrased content
-Using AI in content creation
-Expired domains
-Scaled content abuse
This was a live episode of Search News You Can Use filmed in The Search Bar.
Buy My 2025 edition of my QRG checklist you can use to assess your site like a quality rater:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/products/qrg-workbook-2025/
Join the Search Bar:
https://community.mariehaynes.com/
Buckle up for a thrilling dive into the future of AI! This episode of Search News You Can Use uncovers the mind-blowing advancements in AI, from Google's Gemini 2.0 and its vision of AI agents to OpenAI's groundbreaking projects like Sora and ChatGPT Pro. Marie breaks down what quantum computing is and how Google's Willow chip is potentially a big deal. There's so much going on in the AI world right now!
Are Chrome engagement signals used in Google's ranking systems?
I'd recommend watching Cindy's video from last week:
https://youtu.be/txNT1S28U3M?si=uPi9nz61-1HfJefG
Cindy theorized that Google collects all sorts of information from our visits using the Chrome browser. In our talk we discuss whether and how this information could be used in ranking algorithms.
Reach Cindy:
https://mobilemoxie.com/
https://x.com/Suzzicks
Reach Marie:
https://mariehaynes.com/contact/
https://community.mariehaynes.com/ - The Search Bar
Links mentioned in this episode:
The Pandu Nayak testimony:
https://thecapitolforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/101823-USA-v-Google-PM.pdf
Distributed Representation of Words and Phrases and their Compositionality - Jeff Dean, Ilya Sutskever et al. - Helps explain how vectors in a space are adjusted. Gemini gave me this paper when we were discussing RankBrain.
Here’s a conversation I had with Gemini about how its vector space works and how it adjusts as it learns. It may be possible for us to influence how Gemini represents our business by having more conversations about the things that are good about your business.
Hope you find this interesting! (Also omg how many times did I say the word “interesting” in this episode? 😂
The end of this video includes a podcast made by NotebookLM AI podcasters talking about my conversation with Gemini.
Here’s a great video I found that taught me a lot about vectors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvobVu1l7GI
Here’s NotebookLM
https://notebooklm.google.com/
See past podcast episodes
https://community.mariehaynes.com/spaces/12946477/feed
If you want to learn more about the AI systems used in Search here’s my book, SEO in the Gemini Era: The story of how AI changed Google search
https://www.mariehaynes.com/gemini-era-seo/book/
And to go even deeper, here’s my course:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/gemini-era-seo/course/
Want to join other people who are excited as me about AI? We’d love to have you in the Search Bar
https://community.mariehaynes.com/
Thank you to Adam Szmerling from Bayside Psychotherapy who allowed me to publish our brainstorming session. The first 45 minutes or so of this episode are me sharing how Google’s algorithms have changed. Then, Adam and I look in detail at his competition and his website and discuss how to change it so that it is more likely to meet the needs of his potential clients.
Watch on Youtube: https://youtu.be/K0FVlM7Xmc0
Links
Marie’s book, SEO in the Gemini Era, The Story of How AI Changed Google Search
https://amzn.to/3WPBg0Z
SEO in the Gemini Era course:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/gemini-era-seo/course/
Brainstorm with Marie:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/work-with-marie/
DOJ vs. Google Pandu Nayak testimony:
https://thecapitolforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/101823-USA-v-Google-PM.pdf
My blog post on the API files with attributes including Navboost :
https://www.mariehaynes.com/what-is-this-leaked-google-code-digging-into-the-api-docs/
Cyrus Shepard’s Moz article on click patents:
https://moz.com/blog/click-based-seo-engagement-signals
Internal Google email talking about Navboost:
https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/417828.pdf
Google brought new signals into the core algorithm with March core update:
https://searchengineland.com/seo-takeaways-google-elizabeth-tucker-smx-advanced-443070
Gemini 1.5 improved Google’s machine learning architecture:
https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gemini-next-generation-model-february-2024/#architecture
My course if you’d like to learn more about the AI systems behind search:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/gemini-era-seo/course/
Frederic Dubut of Bing talking about how we must switch from keyword research to intent research.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTriTRmEf34
Google’s information gain patent
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20200349181A1/en
Navboost is a system we learned about in the DOJ vs Google trial. Did you know that Google stores every query that you search, along with information on what you clicked on and engaged with? I share in this video how this system is described, and also how I believe Google's ability to predict what searchers are likely to find helpful is changing.
Mentioned in this video:
Blog post on Navboost by Marie:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/navboost/
Marie's workbook:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/gemini-era-seo/workbook/
Marie's book:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/gemini-era-seo/book/
Pandu Nayak testimony:
https://thecapitolforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/101823-USA-v-Google-PM.pdf
Douglas Oard testimony:
https://thecapitolforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/U.S.A.-et-al-v.-Google-LLC-Nov-15-2023-Bench-Trial-Day-41-Morn-Sess-Transcript.pdf
Rand Fishkin's post on the API files:
https://sparktoro.com/blog/an-anonymous-source-shared-thousands-of-leaked-google-search-api-documents-with-me-everyone-in-seo-should-see-them/
Cyrus Shepard's Moz article about Google patents involving clicks:
https://moz.com/blog/click-based-seo-engagement-signals
Google's announcement of the March core update:
https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2024/03/core-update-spam-policies
Google describing how the core update involved architecture changes and bringing in new signals:
https://searchengineland.com/seo-takeaways-google-elizabeth-tucker-smx-advanced-443070
Documents describing Google's ranking systems in great detail have been leaked by someone who sent an email to Rand Fishkin. In this video, I share my thoughts on Rand's post and then at around 35 mins or so I play around with analyzing this document with Gemini 1.5 Pro in AI Studio.
Hope you enjoy this type of video. I share a lot of my thoughts on how machine learning systems work to use all of the many attributes described in this documentation. This includes links, clicks, return to search results and much more.
Take home point: Google uses MANY signals/attributes/features in their calculations that predict what is likely to be helpful to the searcher. Our goal should be to create content that people choose to engage with and ultimately find to be the satisfying answer to their query - or in other words, HELPFUL.
This episode may be best seen as a video podast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVYUvh4Vt30
Links mentioned
Marie’s newsletter: mariehaynes.com/newsletter
Marie’s notes (paid newsletter - follow along as I take notes on things like this each week.)
https://community.mariehaynes.com/spaces/12261861/feed
Marie’s Course and book: SEO in the Gemini Era is out soon.
The Docs referred to in this video: https://hexdocs.pm/google_api_content_warehouse/0.4.0/api-reference.html
Rand Fishkin’s post. He received an email with the contents of the leak. https://sparktoro.com/blog/an-anonymous-source-shared-thousands-of-leaked-google-search-api-documents-with-me-everyone-in-seo-should-see-them/
Mike King’s article on these documents:
https://ipullrank.com/google-algo-leak
Some quick thoughts on Google's AI overviews (formerly SGE). I don't think they're going away. I do believe they will get more accurate. We should be paying attention to which websites Google is showing in the link cards in these.
More on changes to my newsletter: mariehaynes.com/newsletter
Finally another podcast episode! I was babbling on to my husband about how similar Gemini 1.5's new architecture was to our brain structures and he said, "You need to do a podcast episode on this!" So, here it is. This is a rambly one.
We'll talk about the machine learning models behind search and how Gemini 1.5's new MoE architecture works just like our brains do.
Google + Harvard research on 3D modeling of the brain:
https://blog.google/technology/research/google-ai-research-new-images-human-brain/
Gemini 1.5 info:
https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gemini-next-generation-model-february-2024/#gemini-15
Sign up to get Marie's Notes with live access to my weekly Google doc as I record the things I want to refer back to in regards to Search and AI:
https://community.mariehaynes.com/spaces/12261861/feed
Brainstorm with Marie: https://www.mariehaynes.com/work-with-marie/
Google is changing their SEO starter guide. They're removing a bunch of content.
This episode has visuals. Watch on Youtube:
https://youtu.be/we3n9NTeSAU
In this episode we talk about Google's Search off the Record Podcast and I'll share my thoughts on what is most important when it comes to ranking on Google today. We'll go through the latest Google Search off the Record podcast episode that talks about the changes they are making to the guide.
Then, near the end we'll take my notes on this story and I'll show you how I use Gemini in Google's AI studio to summarize stories like this for newsletter.
Newsletter:
https://mariehaynes.com/newsletter/
Marie's Thoughts (paid newsletter):
https://community.mariehaynes.com/spaces/12261861/feed
SOTR podcast:
https://content.libsyn.com/p/6/6/0/66095646568452e4/_SOTR068__Search_Off_the_Record_-_68th_episode_-_Video_en_us.pdf?c_id=166779698&cs_id=166779698&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&Expires=1706206368&Signature=dczPIGWZ9UbDLwAwbeu9pmhl-OL~PspXTQqtTOU1qXwNZqX8pC9OmWxSPqm~FYb4-ZowqcS57MVVK4ZKuuiPr4YHJeeEMT8JaLHcoeB2PLjEC95iU0Pdv-abPZlRNWL63dXq2eFpAHhv6FqnYjPtReqZCHeTum7Dilbz7rOAMpK2b8fP4d27~RplnP0fSaE3ZZmPgvRT~kDHk1dn8zG8y6MCpS-p0K0sXdRpx3YizlQTADebGEcZWG06aIvZtuu9p2epH~5CCTLz~TjENxYA3suE~GwJMy2LCn328mNV6t5WLz6iBv8ucb2aByasVSwZZj1EUITWQ2~wkS-XRS1KuQ__&Key-Pair-Id=K1YS7LZGUP96OI
This is an impromptu, unscripted episode with Dr. Marie Haynes, recorded because of a recent news headline from Search Engine Roundtable that said, "Google: Author Bylines Don't Help You Rank Better; Google Doesn't Check Credentials. Barry's article was prompted based on comments from Google's Search Liaison Danny Sullivan regarding yet another Verge article that does not look favourably on SEO.
Are author bios a ranking factor?
If you've followed my theories and teachings on Google's ranking systems, you know that I am indeed a proponent of using author bios in many situations. In the episode I share anecdotes of sites that did indeed see improvements after getting qualified authors and then doing more to share about their qualifications.
Are author bios a ranking factor? No.
Will having an author bio increase the chances that searchers will trust your site and find it useful. Sometimes, yes.
We have recently learned from the DOJ antitrust trial against Google that user engagement signals are incredibly important when it comes to shaping the algorithm.
In this episode, we go back to statements from John Mueller's help hangouts several years back to look at why the industry developed rules about author bios that most sites follow. They make so much more sense now that we understand how user engagement signals (called IS - likely information satisfaction) signals in the DOJ trial are used to train RankBrain.
RankBrain is Google's AI that is used to re-rank the top 20-30 results and SERP features you see when you do a search.
Hopefully this episode convinces you that both the following can be true:
1) Author bios aren't a ranking factor
2) Author bios can be a part of the entire package that helps improve user engagement and satisfaction signals, which in turn is what drives rankings.
SER article:
https://www.seroundtable.com/google-author-bylines-ranking-36684.html
Verge article:
https://www.theverge.com/c/23998379/google-search-seo-algorithm-webpage-optimization
Danny Sullivan's comments:
https://x.com/searchliaison/status/1744371735405772927?s=20
In this episode, we dive deep into Google's revolutionary new language model, Gemini, destined to be the most impactful technological shift of our time. Host Dr. Marie Haynes unravels its capabilities, which extend beyond text to encompass images, video, and beyond.
Discover how Gemini's potential to transform information access, problem-solving, and decision-making could reshape our lives. While we wait for its full potential to unfold in 2024, learn how Bard, soon integrated into Google Assistant, offers a taste of the future.
This episode delves into the criticisms of AI, encouraging listeners to actively engage with Bard and explore its possibilities. We also explore the exciting world of GPTs (apps built on chat GPT), which may possibly be seen in a similar form in Google AI Studio.
Oh boy, finally another podcast episode! This is an unscripted chatting episode where I share the story of what happened to my agency. It formed because of an understanding of AI - except I didn't know that at the time. Imagine my surprise when I realized that wait a second - Panda and Penguin - the Google algorithm shifts that made me obsess over SEO and leave my career as a veterinarian - were machine learning systems.
It was understanding AI that created my SEO agency. But, understanding and optimizing for Google search was also our downfall. I expect many of you are going down the same road I did.
It is time for a huge mindset shift when it comes to SEO. We found out in the Department of Justice's Trial against Google that user engagement plays a much bigger role in determining rankings than we thought.
I hope you enjoy this episode!
Links mentioned:
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My Helpful Content Workbook
https://mariehaynes.com/product/creating-helpful-content-workbook/
The Search Bar: https://community.mariehaynes.com/
DOJ trial exhibits showing how much user engagement is used in the algo: https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-and-plaintiff-states-v-google-llc-2020-trial-exhibits
Marie's Thoughts (paid newsletter episode) where I explain this more:
https://community.mariehaynes.com/posts/ep-12-how-user-engagement-signals-are-used-in-ranking-new-info-from-the-doj-trial-against-google
Google has confirmed that SGE (Search Generative Experience) is not just an experiment, it is the future of search. Google's CEO Sundar Pichai said the SGE is "the next step in the journey" and also, "over time this will just be how search works."
Here's what we know so far about the SGE, including screenshots of it in action.
This is primarily a video episode, but even just listening, it should be quite helpful.
Links mentioned in this episode:
Marie's Helpful Content Workbook ($150) - This workbook will guide you through understanding user intent and creating content that meets it.
https://www.mariehaynes.com/product/c...
Episode 297 of Search News You Can Use
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Google's Earnings Call where they discuss SGE being the future of Search
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Google's helpful content criteria
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In this long-awaited return episode of Search News, Dr. Marie Haynes explains how Google's helpful content system has radically changed search rankings.
She provides background on her experience studying Google's algorithms for over 16 years, and how the company has shifted to relying more on AI systems like helpful content rather than just links and keywords.
Marie walks through the evolution of major algorithm updates like Panda and Penguin, and what they revealed about Google's capabilities and focus on content quality. She explains how machine learning models can now predict helpful content, with training data from quality raters.
The episode provides real-world examples of sites that were impacted by recent helpful content updates, and what specific changes Google rewarded. Marie also offers advice for those struggling with helpful content suppression and wanting to better align with Google's criteria.
This episode will completely change your understanding of modern search rankings, and what you should prioritize on your site for visibility and traffic in 2023 and beyond. Don't miss Marie's long-awaited insider perspective on Google's helpful content!
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Links mentioned in this episode:
https://www.mariehaynes.com/newsletter/episode-295/ (Latest episode of newsletter where we discuss Project Tailwind/NotebookLM)
https://developers.google.com/search/docs/fundamentals/creating-helpful-content (Google’s Guidance on creating helpful content)
https://searchengineland.com/whats-now-next-with-google-search-smx-next-keynote-389628 (Barry Schwartz and HJ Kim interview)
https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2011/05/more-guidance-on-building-high-quality (Panda questions)
https://www.mariehaynes.com/google-ai-systems/ (My article on how the helpful content system works)
https://moz.com/blog/nine-years-of-google-algorithm (Dr. Pete Myers heatmap showing Penguin algo turbulence)
https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/ (understanding the math behind systems like the helpful content system)
https://www.mariehaynes.com/what-we-know-about-googles-quality-raters/ How raters rate sites.
We've had so many updates lately! It's almost impossible to know why your traffic is down. And for many sites traffic *is* down tremendously.
In this episode I've discussed the craziness we've seen this year with Google updates. September Core Update. Helpful Content Update. Two spam updates...there are so many things that have happened!
On top of that many sites are losing traffic to Google Explore and because of ChatGPT.
We also discuss whether topic filter bubbles in search and continuous scroll on desktop could be impacting you.
And um, I just can't talk about E-E-A-T without bursting out laughing. Still, this is very important as Google is now valuing not just Expertise, but also Experience.
I hope you enjoy this episode!
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Search News You Can Use - SEO Podcast with Marie Haynes
It was an honour to attend Google I/O in person.
Search is changing radically! Google called it a new era of Search with Gemini 2.5 at its core.
This podcast episode was recorded live.
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0:00 – 0:51 Welcome & recap of Google I/O invitation, outline of the live episode’s agenda
0:51 – 1:55 Screen-share setup; meeting Sundar Pichai and Sergey Brin anecdotes
2:40 – 4:15 What AI Mode is, why Google may replace “classic” search, and the query fan-out patent
4:15 – 6:02 How clicks train AI Mode; demo showing 59 source sites and the result carousel
7:03 – 9:14 Ethics of Google using web content; E-E-A-T impact on carousel inclusion
9:55 – 12:22 Accuracy, hallucinations, feedback buttons, and why original content matters
14:00 – 17:21 Freshness signals, library analogy for originality, Gemini Live phone demo
17:21 – 27:55 Gemini AR glasses test, personal-context search & privacy implications
32:21 – 35:22 Gemini in Chrome: on-page AI assistance, summarisation, e-commerce concerns
35:22 – 40:47 Project Mariner: browser agents that automate multitab workflows; job impact
40:47 – 43:59 Agent Mode & agent-to-agent checkout; custom charts/graphs in AI Mode
43:59 – 50:52 Deep Search (multi-query research) and uploading your own files for reports
50:52 – 54:42 E-commerce upgrades: “Try it On” virtual fitting, price-tracking, “Buy for Me” with Google Pay, Wing drone delivery
54:42 – 57:00 Gemini V3 multimodal video creation, Flow editor, AI content production costs
57:00 – 60:00 Google’s universal AI assistant vision, coming hardware, and industry upheaval
60:00 – 61:00 Sergey Brin on the web’s unpredictability ten years out; reflections on accelerating change
61:00 – 62:27 Dario Amodei’s forecast of 20 % unemployment from AI; balancing fear with opportunity
62:27 – 63:50 Learning-curve discussion: experiment daily, let Gemini/ChatGPT tutor you step by step
63:50 – 66:00 Question on falling organic clicks: focus on conversions, cite Will Reynolds’ data, report revenue over raw traffic
66:00 – 67:12 Who gets credit—SEO or CRO? Rebranding SEO as AIO/GEO and outlining the evolving practitioner role
67:12 – 68:32 Brand building beyond Wikipedia: podcasts, social presence, authoritative mentions; example of podcast mention boosting AI-overview visibility
68:32 – 69:20 LLMs.txt debate: no major model honors it yet, so implementing it is likely wasted effort
69:20 – 70:10 Server-log analysis of AI bots: seeing ByteDance and others, limited actionable value beyond selective blocking
70:10 – 71:10 Google Agent Space: 100-seat minimum, use cases for large agencies (onboarding, HR, process agents)
71:10 – 72:10 MCP for e-commerce customization tools; preparing your site for future agent-to-agent APIs
72:10 – 73:20 Speculation that many third-party agent frameworks will fade once Google/OpenAI integrate agents natively
73:20 – 74:10 Community learning benefits; SEO skillset as problem-solving edge in the AI era
74:10 – 75:25 Overview of the Search Bar Pro community, tutorials, “happy hour” discussions, member advantages
75:25 – 76:50 Coping with upheaval: lamplighter analogy, choosing optimism, hunting for new opportunities
76:50 – 78:00 Closing remarks: upcoming talks on BCIs and agents
78:00 – 87:08 Final chat exchanges, farewells, and session wrap-up