Episode 92 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Sr. Dr. Chero Chuma about privilege, racism, surrender, discomfort, mental health and homelessness, human dignity, radical hospitality, burnout, therapy, and messiness.



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"We are called to go beyond what we know or what we think our capacity is, knowing that within us...God who then created us will provide what we need."
-Sr. Dr. Chero Chuma







Sr. Dr. Chero Chuma



Find Sr. Dr. Chero Chuma's congregation at csjp.org.



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Sister Chero Chuma, CSJP, DNP, is a Sister of Saint Joseph of Peace and a Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP). Sr. Chero is the Director for Vocations in the USA and has been involved in the healthcare field for over 22 years. She continues to serve as a per diem psychiatric provider at Seattle’s Crisis Solutions Center where she diagnoses and treats people with mental illness. Sr. Chero is a University of Washington graduate with a Doctor of Nursing Practice degree and a WWAMI AHEC Scholar. She is also a Seattle University graduate with a dual bachelor’s degree in nursing and theology and religious studies. She uses her education and experiences to educate many on matters of faith and mental health.







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Episode 91 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Michael Poffenberger about activism, contemplation, interiority, right relationships and the true self, vulnerability and control, transformation, wholeness, and much more.



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"Transformation happens not because of our force of will to change ourselves. It happens because of our capacity to witness ourselves with honesty in prayer and then be healed by God."
-Michael Poffenberger







Michael Poffenberger



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Michael Poffenberger holds the tension of the and. As the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC)’s executive director since 2014, Michael sees CAC as uniquely positioned to support inner work for those seeking to build a more just and humane world. A graduate of Notre Dame, Michael served previously as the executive director of Resolve, where he worked alongside religious and civil society leaders to build peace and aid war-affected communities in Central and East Africa, and co-founded the Crisis Tracker. He believes that transforming consciousness can solve many of today’s challenges, and seeking that truth in his own life led him to the work of CAC. Michael lives this mission beyond CAC as the board chair for Invisible Children, in supporting movements for peace and collective liberation, and as a dad to his daughter Madeleine. In his contemplative practice, he asks himself, “What can the world look like when love is awakened?” That’s the vision he holds for all touched by CAC— that love is both who we are and where we are going.







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Episode 90 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.







(We had some issues with Elena's microphone during recording, our apologies! -Colin)



In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Elena Segura about Evangelicalism, conversion, social justice, the radicalness of Mass, immigration reform, silence, and more.



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"Evangelization is just being who you are."
-Elena Segura



Learn more about Elena Segura's work here, and join her in saying a rosary every Wednesday during Lent for immigration reform.



Elena Segura



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Elena Segura leads a national initiative of the Archdiocese of Chicago to develop and implement Pastoral Migratoria, which she founded in 2008 as an immigrant-led ministry for service, justice, and accompaniment in parish communities. Pastoral Migratoria is based in the methodology of Aparecida, whose main architect was (now) Pope Francis. Chicago area participants include 200 Hispanic lay leaders across 40 Hispanic parishes. The Dioceses of Stockton (CA) and Kansas City–Saint Joseph (MO) launched their pilot programs last year. Ten dioceses interested in starting this ministry took part in the inaugural Instituto Pastoral Migratoria in Chicago in July 2018. The goal is to create a national network. Since the 2005 inception of the Catholic Campaign for Immigration Reform, Elena directed the archdiocese’s local Immigration Ministry, facilitating formation of pioneering networks of 200 priests, 54 religious orders, and immigration liaisons in 124 native-born congregations. Elena began her career organizing grassroots responses to problems facing her community in rural Peru.











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A Special Episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.







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After chatting with Lisa Hendey at RE Congress, Sister Julia had impromptu short interviews with some Congress attendees who passed by the FSPA booth. We heard a few of these voices last week, and this mini special episode has six more.







Sister Julia and Doctor Peter Jones







You'll hear from Robert Ellsberg, Andrea (from Ontario, California), Dr. Peter Jones, Janice England, Father Tony Ricard, and Sister Rose Elsbernd, FSPA.







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Episode 89 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



This special episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast was recorded live at RE Congress 2025. In this episode, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Lisa M. Hendey about CatholicMom.com, blogging and podcasting, unconditional love, the importance of questions, the Chime Travelers, belonging and hospitality, and more.







We also hear mini interviews with Mariana Lacouture, Anthony Deosdade, and Emilia Sury. Look for an episode featuring more mini interviews from RE Congress in the coming weeks!







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When we really, authentically say, 'Yes, God, I'm giving you my life,' fasten your seatbelts because you will not believe the places that you will be taken and what will happen."
-Lisa M. Hendey







Lisa M. Hendey



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Lisa M. Hendey is the founder of CatholicMom.com and the bestselling author of I'm A Saint in the Making, among other books. She has journeyed around the globe to hear and share messages of hope and encouragement. Her Chime Travelers series for kids is read and studied worldwide in homes, schools, and churches. A frequent TV and radio guest, Lisa also hosts podcasts and speaks internationally on faith, family, evangelization and technology topics. She has traveled worldwide with non-profits to support their humanitarian missions. Lisa and Greg Hendey worship and live their story in Los Angeles, CA.











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Episode 88 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Rev. Ricky Manalo, CSP, about faith and culture, vocation, liturgical music, what worship is, AI, what it means to be human, and polarization and unity.



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 I define [worship] as any kind of response that we might have to something or someone holy....worship could take place anywhere. It could take place when I'm going for a walk in Manhattan or I'm in the subway and I notice someone who's in need of help."
-Rev. Ricky Manalo, CSP







Rev. Ricky Manalo, CSP



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Rev. Ricky Manalo, CSP, Ph.D. is a Paulist priest, a composer, theologian, and author. He is the recipient of the 2020 Distinguished Catholic Music Composer of the Year Award by the Association of Catholic Publishers, and the 2018 Pastoral Musician of the Year Award by the National Association of Pastoral Musicians. He studied composition and piano at the Manhattan School of Music, theology at the Washington Theological Union (WTU), and liturgy, culture, and sociology at the Graduate Theological Union (GTU), Berkeley, CA. Currently, he is serving as Chairperson of the Paulist Initiative on Polarization.











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Episode 87 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Dr. Ann Garrido about having difficult conversations, discerning truth, and trust.



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I think what is essential for bridging difference is that both persons have a deep, deep commitment to truth, to trying to pursue what's true. So if both people in the conversation, regardless of how different they are, are entering into the conversation trying to figure out what's true and willing to renegotiate what they hold at any particular point in time if they figure out what's more true, I think the conversation always has the potential of going places. 
-Dr. Ann Garrido







Dr. Ann Garrido



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Ann Garrido is associate professor of homiletics at Aquinas Institute of Theology in St. Louis, Missouri, where she previously directed the school’s Doctorate of Ministry in Preaching program. She is the author of multiple books, including the award-winning Redeeming Administration, Redeeming Conflict, and Let’s Talk About Truth. Her newest book is Redeeming Power. She travels nationally and internationally helping communities talk about the topics they find toughest to talk about—conversations that always involve questions of truth. She lives with her husband outside Atlanta, Georgia.











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Episode 86 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



In the return of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Fr. James Martin, SJ about his vocation, the raising of Lazarus, pilgrimages and Jesus' parables, and Fr. Martin's experience at the Synod.



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Oftentimes people think [a call to vocation] really needs to be this kind of dramatic, you know, falling on your knees and having this light from heaven, you know, like Saul on the way to Damascus... But I think that the more common way that it happens is that it's an understanding a desire that is within you that that is a holy desire, to be coming from God.
-Fr. James Martin, SJ







Fr. James Martin, SJ



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Father James Martin, SJ, is a Jesuit priest, editor at large of America, consulter to the Vatican’s Dicastery for Communication and author of many books, including the New York Times bestseller Jesus: A Pilgrimage and The Jesuit Guide to Almost Everything. He is the founder of Outreach, a Catholic news and opinion site for LGBTQ Catholics. Father Martin's latest book, Come Forth will be released in paperback February 2025.











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A Contemplation Episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



Join Sister Julia in a special edition of Messy Jesus Business podcast as she reflects on what the darkness can teach us in Advent.



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With this episode, we're beginning our winter break. We'll see you again in late January! From all of us here, thank you so much for listening. Have a blessed Advent, a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year!











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Episode 85 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.







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"Sometimes [conversion] just felt so hard to do. I had so many questions and I had so many doubts and it was conveyed to me by more than one person that It shouldn't be this hard, but I look back and I'm actually really grateful for it, for how much I had to wrestle with my adoption and my parents language and what liturgy means now and with our embrace of death.



All these things that I carried with me culturally as the daughter of Chinese immigrants had to be reexamined in my conversion. They didn't fit into what my life as a Catholic was turning into. I would do these things that felt antithetical to the way my parents raised me...And I had to maybe not revise those things of my past and those things of how I grew up, but I had to, I guess just reconcile them in a different way and say, yes, where I come from makes me who I am today.



It all comes with me, but I can look at it differently."
-Melody Gee











Topics Discussed:








* Immigration experience









* Conversion to Catholicism









* Ritual, routine, and liturgy









* Discomfort









* The messiness of prayer and community









* Embodiment of faith









* Balancing different cultures









* Embracing conflict









* Resisting perfectionism








Name Drops:








* Jesus









* Thomas Merton









* Ronald Rolheiser









* Oliver Burkeman









* Greg Boyle









* Saul/Paul








Books Mentioned:








* the Bible









* We Carry Smoke and Paper









* New Seeds of Contemplation...

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Episode 84 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



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" Once they enter our [Humanitarian Respite Center for immigrants along the border], the very first thing that I asked is, "Como estas?" How are you?



And it's for the very first time that someone that has been through so many difficult times, you know, and fear for their lives and their children, not having anything to eat sometimes, probably sleeping in the grass in the ground and really finding themselves with their feet all blistered for all the walking they did and their shoes torn and they walk without shoes and they end up with us in very poor conditions... it's for the very first time that they see someone say, how are you?



And it's like they matter. You can start seeing in them the transformation in their faces. I hear them say like, Thank you God for taking care of me and bringing me to this safe space, you know. This is what for me is the Rio Grande Valley and the border in South Texas with Mexico."
-Sister Norma Pimentel, MJ



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Topics Discussed:




* Sister Norma's vocation



* art



* immigration



* border control



* courage



* a punishing vs a loving God



* the breadth of Spirituality



* being present



* making connections



* exploitation of immigrants



* dignity



* protesting the sale of arms



* being a disciple of Jesus



* trusting/surrendering to God




Name Drops:




* Jesus



* Pope Francis



* Mother Teresa of Avila



* Moses




Books Mentioned:




* the Bible



* Time Magazine








Sister Norma Pimentel, MJ



ABOUT THE GUEST



Sister Norma Pimentel has become one of the most recognized leaders in our nation today. As Executive Director of Catholic Charities of the Rio Grande Valley, she oversees the charitable branch of the Diocese of Brownsville, the second largest Catholic Diocese in the United States.

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Episode 83 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



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"I think so many of us are holding anxiety and grief and despair in our bodies all the time. And we're not letting it out....We don't have spaces for rituals around grief."
-Lydia Wylie-Kellermann



IN THIS EPISODE



In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Lydia Wylie-Kellermann, editor, activist, mother, and author of This Sweet Earth: Walking with our Children in the Age of Climate Collapse. They discuss Lydia's early influence from The Catholic Worker, and what it's like to live an embodied life of faith. "We don't know what life's going to be like for future generations," Lydia says, "but what is it that we want them to have in their bones to be able to summon when they need it?"



The two also discuss the two pulls of creation and resistance, resisting perfectionism in the messiness of discipleship, and the wildness of Scripture. Lydia suggests, "Think about discipleship being committed to not political boundaries, but who are the people who are fed by the same water."



Name Drops:



JesusLaura AlaryDietrich BonhoefferVincent HardingThe Two Loops theory of change



Topics Discussed:



Catholic Workerjustice and faithstorytellingembodied faithcreation and resistanceraising childrentechnologycommunityresisting perfectionismwatershed discipleshipbeing creaturescolonialism



Books Mentioned:



the BibleThis Sweet Earth: Walking with our Children in the Age of Climate Collapse



Lydia Wylie-Kellermann



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Lydia Wylie-Kellermann is a writer, editor, activist, and mother. She is the director of Kirkridge Retreat and Study Center and author of This Sweet Earth: Walking with our Children in the Age of Climate Collapse.

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Episode 82 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



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"I think when we're playing we're participating in the playfulness of God."
-Mark Longhurst



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In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Mark Longhurst, author of the newly released book, The Holy Ordinary: A Way to God , a member of a new monastic community, and "ordinary mystic." They discuss Mark's journey from a young Evangelical to UCC pastor to social justice ministry, and eventually to mysticism. "I would say that my journey is just one of constant failure and suffering," Mark says, "and then finding greater depth and God's presence in the midst of it."



Mark and Sister Julia discuss the old beliefs they have had to "unlearn," including atonement theology, and the peace and playfulness found in growth. They also delve into integrating contemplation and mysticism into an "ordinary" life, and different styles of parenting.



Name Drops:



JesusRichard RohrDostoevskyHildegard of BingenJames BaldwinMirabai StarrDC TalkMichael W. SmithJars of ClayPearl JamCelticsCommunity of the Incarnation



Topics Discussed:



Evangelicalismmysticismmainline Christianitycontemplationdeconstruction and reconstructionatonement theologyparentingplayfulnessdiscipleshipmessiness of Gospel living



Books Mentioned:



the BibleThe Brothers KaramazovThe Holy OrdinaryOrdinary Mysticism



Mark Longhurst



ABOUT THE GUEST



Mark Longhurst is a writer and “ordinary mystic.” He is a member of the new monastic “Community of the Incarnation” and works as the Publications Manager at the Center for Action and Contemplation. A former pastor, he served United Church of Christ churches for ten years and worked as a faith-based social justice activist in the Boston area for ten more. A graduate of Harvard Divinity School, and a longtime yoga-practitioner,

Episode 81 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



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"A culture of encounter is something we have to be very intent on practicing, and so I'm excited about an economics that creates many of those opportunities for encounter."
-Elizabeth Garlow



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In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Elizabeth Garlow, economist and cofounder of the Francesco Collaborative, which invites individuals to critique economic structures and invest using their whole spiritual selves. Elizabeth discusses her early Capuchin influences and her interest in Focolare. "I had a sort of hunger to have a different kind of conversation about who we are as human beings," she says, "how we meet our needs, what kind of systems can we create?"



Sister Julia and Elizabeth talk about the damage that can be done by our current economic structures. "Our economic structures are intertwined with problems of disconnection and loneliness," Elizabeth says. Elizabeth also discusses the challenging ways we can move forward to help create a more just world. "Money in many ways is energy, " she says. "It's flow. It is not something that we are slaves to as the Gospel...teaches us."



Name Drops:



Natalie FosterPope FrancisMia BirdsongFr. Richard WardMarjorie KellyFr. LebrayMorgan SimonNich RomeoZacchaeus



Topics Discussed:



Franciscan spiritualityCapuchin communityFocolare MovementEconomy of CommunionEconomy of Francescohow we spend and investethic of enoughnessfinancial discipleshipINE Institute



Books Mentioned:



Laudato SiLaudate DeumThe BibleLiving City MagazineHow We Show UpReal ImpactWealth SupremacyThe Alternative



Elizabeth Garlow



ABOUT THE GUEST



Elizabeth Garlow is drawn to the spiritual dimensions of our shared work to build a new economy.

Episode 80 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



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"I think it goes back to humility, you know, just being willing to genuinely listen to the other side."
-Kelly Moltzen



IN THIS EPISODE



In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Kelly Moltzen. They discuss Kelly's early Franciscan influences and how they affected her decision to study health disparity and food justice as a lay Franciscan. "Everything is connected," Kelly says, "and the way that we treat our environment is going to have direct impacts on your health."



They also discuss efforts to depolarize our communities, and the work of Braver Angels. The work of reaching out to those who think differently is difficult, but necessary. "I think it's important that we don't get caught up in group think," Kelly says, "that we all are able to seek things out for ourselves."



Name Drops:



Shane ClaibornePope FrancisThich Nhat HanhFr. Richard RohrImmanuel SwedenborgSimran Kit SinghJohn Duns Scotus



Topics Discussed:



Franciscan spiritualityintentional communityfood justiceenvironment/ecologycommunion and interconnection with creationdepolarizationinterfaith workappreciating differenceshumilityspiritual entrepreneurship



Books Mentioned:



The Irresistible RevolutionLaudato SiThe BibleThe Mystic HeartThe Light We Give



Kelly Moltzen



ABOUT THE GUEST



Kelly Moltzen is a co-founder and convener of the Interfaith Public Health Network, which inspires people of faith to be agents of change in transforming communities into ones that promote health and well-being for all. She is a Registered Dietitian, has her Master’s of Public Health, and is a member of the Secular Franciscan Order. She is serving as a co-chair of the Justice, Peace & Integrity of Creation commission of the Franciscan Federation, and is part of the core group of the Intergenerational Eco-Justice & Spirituality Network which is supported by the Franciscan Federation.



Kelly was a 2021-2022 Abrahamic House fellow, and a 2022 Rockefeller-Acumen Food Systems Fellow. Her Rockefeller Food System Vision Prize proposal, Faith Communities Leading the Way Towards Healthy, Sustainable Food Systems,

Episode 79 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.



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"Discipleship...ought to begin with the idea of being in that relationship of sort of Christ-like care and ministry for other people regardless of what they deserve."
-Rev. Benjamin J. Dueholm



IN THIS EPISODE



In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Rev. Benjamin Dueholm. Rev. Benjamin tells Sr. Julia of his encounter with St. Augustine's Confessions at an experimental college in California, and how it, among other things, led him to becoming a Lutheran pastor. They discuss the paradox of the universal and the personal, and how technology has changed the way we live in community.



Rev. Benjamin compares church ministry to a Sunday dinner, and speaks about mission drift of the Gospel in some churches. "My task as a preacher," he says, "and to some extent as a writer, is to make Christ contemporary...but the truth is, it's a scary thought to think that OK, God is talking to me right now."



Rev. Benjamiin Dueholm



ABOUT THE GUEST



The Rev. Benjamin J. Dueholm has served as the pastor of Christ Lutheran Church (ELCA) in Dallas, Texas since 2019, after previously serving churches in and around Chicago. His writing on religion, politics, and culture has appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Christian Century, and the Dallas Morning News and has presented at the Cambridge University "Religious Diversity and Secular University" workshop and the Valparaiso University Institute of Liturgical Studies. Passionate about supporting the formation of leaders for the church, he has taught worship and preaching at the University of Chicago Divinity School and serves on the committee guiding candidates for ordained ministry in north Texas. He is the author of Sacred Signposts: Words, Water, and Other Acts of Resistance (Eerdmans, 2018). He lives in Texas with his wife Kerry and their three children. You can find more of him at benjamindueholm.substack.com.



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