In this week’s episode, we are diving into all things hyenas! Yep, we’re that excited. And to take us on this deep dive we have asked hyena expert and behavioral ecologist Dr. Kay Holekamp to educate us all about this amazing animal and talk to us about the 30 + years of research and data her team has been collecting.
Dr. Holekamp is head of the Department of Integrative Biology and is director of the Ecology, Evolutionary Biology and Behavior Program at Michigan State University.
Dr. Holekamp is recognized as one of the world’s leading behavioral ecologists focusing specifically on the study of the evolution of intelligence, animal behavior, and behavioral neuroendocrinology.
Dr. Holekamp also leads the Mara Hyena Project based in Kenya where she and her team have been collecting data covering 10 generations of hyenas. All the while dispelling false narratives of these amazing animals and replacing them with a deep understanding of the true lives of Hyenas.
We are dedicating this episode to Jane Goodall, and to power houses, like Dr. Holekamp. Deep bow to the women in science and research who have inspired us and who are working tirelessly in conservation in support of our Kindred species.
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:15
Interview: 6:23
TA: 48:31
Show Notes:
https://eeb.msu.edu/news/notes-from-holekamp-lab-in-kenya-meet-the-south-clan.aspx
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/spotted-hyenas-queens
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As She Rises is back for its fourth season, hosted by Leah Thomas, founder of The Intersectional Environmentalist. This season, As She Rises is exploring rewilding—the practice of restoring ecosystems to their natural state. We’ll hear how communities are letting the land lead, and reimagining what it means to truly coexist with the natural world. Follow wherever you're listening to this so you never miss an episode!
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/as-she-rises/id1585244876
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Deborah Blum, environmental journalist, Pulitzer-prize winning science writer and science columnist.
Let me explain why we have asked Deborah to join us.
In 1962, American marine biologist, science writer, and conservationist Rachel Carson writes a pivotal book in our history, titled Silent Spring, which skillfully lays out the very real life scenario of how and where poisonous chemicals and controls, like DDT, were created and distributed by the US government in hand with major chemical companies and were used in agricultural fields, orchards, and private homeowners.
What consumers didn’t know at the time was that chemicals like DDT were doing immeasurable and great harm to animals, ecosystems, and humans.
We have asked Deborah Blum to speak with us about Rachel Carson because of Blum’s extensive qualifications as a science writer, and for the fact that she only just recently retired as the Director of the Knight Science Journalism program at MIT, and has specialised in toxicology for the last 15 years, writing about poisons and pesticides in our everyday lives.
Time Stamps:
Intro: 00:15
Interview: 9:40
TA: 55:50
Show Notes:
PBS with Blum featured
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJNRaE11A0
A short film on Rachel Carson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVEzCmiXM4
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Kindred is back, hosted by Kate Coffin and Jenn Asplundh. This season, we’re flipping the script on creatures everyone loves to hate — from hyenas and vultures to bats and possums — and showing why they’re fascinating, essential, and surprisingly lovable.
Join us as we explore the hidden connections between humans, animals, and nature, and discover stories that will make you see the world in a whole new way. Follow Kindred wherever you listen to podcasts so you never miss an episode!
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Originally released July 23, 2024. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in October 2025.
In this week’s episode, we travel to Denmark and speak with author and long time marine biologist Hanne Strager about the incredible and dynamic predator the killer whale, or orca if you prefer.
Hanne specializes in marine wildlife, specifically killer whales, and has recently published her new book titled, The Killer Whale Journals: Our Love and Fear of Orcas.
We wanted to speak with Hanne because we are keenly interested in the relationship humans have with predators and why killer whales have long been persecuted, misunderstood, and even demonised by humans, like MANY predators whether that be on land or sea. We think they are dynamic, highly intelligent, gorgeous, and captivating animals and Hanne tells us why!
What an absolute honor to speak with Hanne. We steeped in her knowledge and experience and mostly her poignant insights on not only killer whales but also her view of the relationship we have with animals like killer whales and other powerful and intelligent predators.
Also, take a listen to this week's introduction to the episode and weigh in on whether my “joke” about killer whales is actually a joke, a riddle, or just a question! Jenn is most definitely unsure! Lols.
Lots of Love.
Episode Timestamps:
Introduction: 00:52
Interview: 5:35
TA: 51:48
Show Notes:
https://www.instagram.com/hannestrager/
Articles:
https://www.raincoast.org/2024/05/southern-residents-salmon-science/
https://www.afar.com/magazine/the-whale-museum-to-open-in-norway-in-2022
https://dortemandrup.dk/work/whale-norway
Amazing video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhmJkIUH_qw
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Originally released May 14, 2024. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in October 2025.
In this week’s conversation, we are speaking with William Housty, Associate Director of the Heiltsuk Integrated Resource Management Department in Bella Bella, British Columbia. The HIRMD are in charge of overseeing the management of all natural resources in the Heiltsuk territory, including the beautiful and captivating sea wolves.
There is an air of magic and mystery about these sea swimming wolves that compel you to want to know, who are these beings and what is their story. William Housty tells us that story and what sea wolves mean to not only him, but to the Heiltsuk Nation.
There are moments when you look into the eyes of another species and see into their being and know there is more… there is a story of life, suffering, and beauty, and a deep recognition and resonance. You know all at once you are not separate from or above them, but tied through a millennium of evolution and kinship.
Thank you to William for inviting us into this story of the sea wolf. We are so grateful for the chance to listen and to see.
Lots of Love.
Show Notes:
https://www.heiltsuknation.ca/
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Originally released January 26, 2025. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in October 2025.
In this exclusive drop Jenn and I talk to brothers Dave Aguirre (my actual husband :) and Geoff Aguirre all about their brotherly hike across England!Sisters interviewing brothers…what could go wrong?
But really, this was so much fun and really warmed our cold winter hearts. It’s full of humor, sentiment, and even a little heartbreak. Three of my most favorite things.Thanks so much to Dave & Geoff for coming on the show and sharing a little brotherly love from the city of brotherly love, good old Philadelphia.
Show Notes:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-66994729
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Originally released April 30, 2024. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in October 2025.
In this week's archived episode, we are spoke with Bear Biologist Chris Servheen. We finally got to meet our grizzly bear fears head-on and dispel all the misinformation that we have been wondering about for years!
We were so lucky to have been able to speak with Chris, one of if not the leading bear biologists in this country.
Chris has been working tirelessly for his entire career advocating for the health and protection of one the most incredible and majestic predators in the world, the grizzly bear. After a long and distinguished career to ensure that the bears were protected under the federal Endangered Species Act he retired. Until he didn’t.
Join us to learn all about what brought Chris out of retirement, what makes grizzlies legendary, and the secret to their magic.
Lots of Love.
Show Notes:
https://theintercept.com/2023/01/29/grizzly-bear-endangered-montana/
From the article https://billingsgazette.com/opinion/column/christopher-servheen-dont-short-circuit-esa-on-grizzly-bears/article_3b35088e-2d5e-11ee-a42f-236813b7db3a.html
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Originally released April 30, 2025. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in October 2025.
And guess who’s back?
Our favorite Zoo historian and author, Nigel Rothfels! Yes, we dragged him back to congratulate him on the newly revised edition of his book Savages and Beasts: The Birth of the Modern Zoo. If you haven’t heard our fun and fiery episode with Nigel, PLEASE go back and listen to our OG episode titled Zoos: Bad or Good? because we revisit some of the hot topics we covered and dig a little deeper into the future of zoos and conservation.
Thanks again for your continued support we are so super grateful for you. You are the bass to our band keeping us in time and on track. Xx
Lots of Love.
Show Notes:
Previous Kindred Episode: https://www.kindredpodcast.co/56-zoos-good-or-bad-a-conversation-with-historian-nigel-rothfels/
https://sites.uwm.edu/rothfels/https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/53791/savages-and-beasts?srsltid=AfmBOopM5MOYEb1y4n36S0kIG1ZrZVaC0frAcAkB9bFZm3IKMNagWwwp
You can buy his book wherever you normally buy your books.
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Tim Hofmann, a certified dog trainer working with the Cheetah Conservation Fund (CCF), running the Scat Detection Dog program.
Since 2018, Tim has been leading the scat detection dog project for CCR where his expertise extends to field projects across Namibia and Angola, where he works with his dogs to detect and conserve rare wildlife species, like cheetahs and African wild dogs.
Tim also holds a master’s degree in Nature Conservation Biology and is currently pursuing a Ph.D. in wildlife sciences which very much comes into play with his work at CCF. Tim is passionate about innovative wildlife conservation approaches, and his work focuses on the intersection of dog training and conservation biology.
What a dream to be out in some of the most beautiful landscapes in the world, with an amazing and sweet dog, all the while in support of wildlife conservation.
And many of you will recognize CCF from a previous episode where we spoke with Dr. Laurie Marker-the Executive Director of the Cheetah Conservation Fund, titled The Cheetahs Longest Race.
We are pretty sure you’re gonna think this is one of the coolest jobs out there! What a dream job! Thanks so much to Tim and CCF and thanks for listening!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 6:46
TA: 51:04
Show Notes:
https://cheetah.org/ccf-blog/life-at-ccf/featured-staff-tim-hofmann/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Awanookwe Kingbird-Bratvold, founder of the animal rescue Awesiinyag (Animals) Are Loved. Awanookwe is Ojibwe from the Red Lake Nation in Northern Minnesota and has her masters in Education and is a professor in Indigenous Sustainability Studies at Bemidji State University in Minnesota. Awanookwe is also the CARE Center Senior Director for the Northern Tier. And if you know us, you know CARE or Companions and Animals for Reform and Equity, a BIPOC led organization out of Baltimore, Maryland, with offices countrywide.
We are so grateful to Awanookwe for speaking with us about her rescue organization and what it means to her and her community. She wears so many hats and is such a leader—and through trust, action, and deep collaboration with those who work alongside her and support her programs, she’s also uplifted and shared her Nation’s perspectives, beliefs, and way of life.
We love talking to people and organizations that are boots on the ground, walking the walk, making moves to help not only animals in need but also the people who love those animals! I feel like the people who are hands-on and leaders in rescue, especially locally where they live, are heroes!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 6:29
TA: 1:06:33
Show Notes:
https://www.instagram.com/awesiinyag_are_loved/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Carolyn Finney, a cultural geographer, storyteller, actor, lover of pop culture, and author. Carolyn has her Doctorate in geography and is the author of Black Faces, White Spaces: Reimagining the Relationship of African Americans to the Great Outdoors. She has also held positions at Wellesley College, the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Kentucky.
We have often wondered what it means to have ‘a sense of place’ and what that means for humans in the intersection of place, history, and geography. Where are you from? What does that mean to you? What does it mean to have a place or a sense of home and have that taken away from you? Can it be?
Carolyn graciously walks with us through what a sense of place means to her and expands our narrative on what that means. And as it turns out, a sense of place isn’t just about geography - it’s about how we as individuals, and the bigger collective, experience the natural world and the planet and what that tells us about who we are.
What is your connection and relationship to the world outside your door - the place you live or were born to? We’d love to hear!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Intro: 00:17
Interview: 6:27
TA: 1:14:25
Show Notes:
https://www.carolynfinney.com/about-carolynfinney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89xQdWau9vw
https://www.carolynfinney.com/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Sassee Walker, founder of the non profit cat rescue Sassee Cats operating in New York City, specifically Brooklyn and East New York areas. She also works full-time for NYC Health and Hospitals in their billing department.
Sassee started working in cat rescue and welfare in 2011 so she’s been doing this for a long time. And she is another person out there, boots on the ground, walking the walk, and making a HUGE impact on the welfare of street cats in New York. She is also supporting and educating other animal lovers on how to trap through getting certified to do TNR or trap/neuter/return, and how we all can learn how to help so many cats get fed, vet care, and find homes.
Sassee is deep in the stray cat trenches, and she's here to take us through a day in the life of a cat rescuer and what it really means to be all-in for one of our favorite companions.
We're so happy to introduce you to our new favorite Catwoman. Halle Berry and Michelle Pfeiffer were iconic, sure, but in our book no one beats Sassee Walker.
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 6:32
TA: 1:00:29
Show Notes:
https://www.instagram.com/sassee_badass_tnr/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Dr. Dawn Wright, chief scientist at Esri, or Environmental Systems Research Institute and a specialist in marine geology, geography, and oceanography, and not least of all a deepsea diver.
Dawn Wright also made history in 2022 when she became the first Black person to visit Challenger Deep, the oceans deepest and most unexplored place on Earth, an experience she goes into detail about in her new book, co-written with Esri Press, Mapping The Deep: Innovation, Exploration, and the Dive of A Lifetime.
Dawn walks us through why mapping the oceans' depths is so critical and the positive impacts this information is having on not only the health of our oceans but what that means for us terrestrial beings!
To me, Dawn is a Renaissance woman in the world of oceanography and mapping systems and her breadth of understanding of all things oceans is as far reaching as the depths of Challenger Deep.
Please join us on this dive of a lifetime and enter into the mysterious and breathtaking world below!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:17
Interview: 6:29
TA: 01:12:09
Show Notes:
https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/author/dawn-wright
https://www.esri.com/en-us/esri-press/browse/mapping-the-deep
The link below is a book reference Dawn made during the interview:
https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324006718
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This is a Special Episode of Kindred, and we’re throwing it in mid-season because we have questions! Let me explain.
Recently, the federal government has been eliminating or cutting federal programs and funding in context to conservation-from protection of wildlife and forest, to clean air and water acts.
This has ignited many questions about the effects that the federal government is having on not only a national level, but on state and local levels as well. So, we want to know how we can take action to support local and state governments, and non profit organizations, who are working hard to protect long standing and critical protections in support of wildlife and nature.
So we have asked Patrick McDonnell, CEO and President of the non profit PennFuture to join us today to walk us through the effects that the federal government is having on a state and local level, and specifically Pennsylvania, our home state. Patrick brings over 20 years of experience on climate, clean energy and environmental issues to his role as president and CEO of PennFuture.
Thanks so much to Patrick and PennFuture for jumping into this conversation and sharing your insights from your many years of experience in this field, and also sharing some great go-to’s in Pennsylvania! And make sure to listen to the end. We have some extra fun facts!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction-00:16
Interview-7:18
Show Notes:
https://www.pa.gov/agencies/dcnr/glen-onoko-falls.html
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Oscar Rodriguez, founder and CEO of Underdogs K9 Training. Oscar’s training focuses on dog psychology and dog behavior and his professional services include dog walking, dog boarding, and working with dogs and their humans to navigate through behavioral issues and help owners understand dog psychology to better connect them to each other, and help their dogs grow in confidence and live their most happy and balanced life.
Oscar shares his story of how he came to work with dogs during his incarceration and how those dogs led him to a path of self-awareness and healing, and now thriving.
This is a story of a journey born out of the courage to heal oneself and the incredible power that animals like dogs can offer us.
We are so grateful to Oscar for sharing his inspirational story and inviting us into a space deep in the heart. This conversation is steeping in courage, vulnerability, and we are so grateful to Oscar for sharing his wisdom with us.
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:15
Interview: 6:36
TA: 1:12:53
Show Note Links:
https://www.instagram.com/underdogsk9training/
https://www.marleysmutts.org/pawsitivechange
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It’s time for our special edition of Kindred’s Book Club!
In this season’s Book Club we are featuring Slippery Beast: A True Crime Natural History, with Eels, by Ellen Ruppel Shell.
Author Ellen Ruppel Shell is professor emeritus at Boston University, in the department of science journalism. Ellen has published many articles, reviews, and essays which have appeared in the New York Times, The Guardian, LA Times, Washington Post, and spent years as a contributing editor and correspondent for The Atlantic. Ellen is the author of 5 books, including our feature Slippery Beast: A True Crime Natural History, with Eels.
Yes you read that right! We are talking all about EELS! But hold on, don’t think you know this animal, unless you really do, because boy are they just full of surprises.
In Ellen’s book Slippery Beast we are taken on a journey that is as surprising as the animal itself. We go from Freud and his short lived quest to understanding this species to the dark underworld of the LARGEST illegally traded species today. Eels are the most heavily trafficked animal in the world. That’s more than rhino horn, elephant tusk, pangolin scales, or turtles. Crazy right? Wait til you hear more!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 8:07
Show Note Links:
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In this week’s episode, we speak with Daniel Curry, Range Rider and founder of the non-profit Project Griph, an organisation focused on wildlife conflict mitigation.
Through Daniel’s specialized methods executed on horseback, with a team of dogs, Daniel works to support ranchers and farmers who are in conflict with wolves. He is the buffer between large carnivores and cattle or sheep, like a shepherd and a cowboy rolled into one. And through humane and effective methods, Daniel works with people in support of creating a space where humans and carnivores can coexist and thrive.
Enjoy this episode as we gallop through this conversation with a real-life cowboy and the best coworkers a person could ever hope for!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction-00:16
Interview-4:58
Take Away-1:12:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzG6kiMXO98&t=307s
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Welcome back to our Spring Season!
We are so excited to start dropping a new season full of the most amazing guests!
Look out for new episodes starting April 15th and make sure to follow us so you don’t miss any of the incredible conversations we have lined up for you.
This season, we go deep from the bottom of our hearts to the bottom of our oceans.
See you on Tuesdays!
Lots of Love,
Kate & Jenn
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Originally released August 15, 2023. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in April 2025.
In this week’s episode, we speak with Dr. Mathias Osvath, Cognitive Zoologist at Lund University about all things corvids and specifically the raven.
We’ve known how smart these birds are but, um, did not realize HOW smart! You will never look at a crow, magpie, jay, nutcracker, jackdaw, rook, or raven (all corvids) the same after listening to this conversation.
Thank you to Dr. Osvath for taking a super brainy subject and breaking it down for us on Kindred so that we can understand how and why corvids are so intelligent.
And the part where he talks about a baby raven practicing their little raven croak in a corner by themselves?….Unbearably cute. Plus many more incredible anecdotes.
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Show Notes:
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