Originally released April 30, 2025. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in October 2025.
And guess who’s back?
Our favorite Zoo historian and author, Nigel Rothfels! Yes, we dragged him back to congratulate him on the newly revised edition of his book Savages and Beasts: The Birth of the Modern Zoo. If you haven’t heard our fun and fiery episode with Nigel, PLEASE go back and listen to our OG episode titled Zoos: Bad or Good? because we revisit some of the hot topics we covered and dig a little deeper into the future of zoos and conservation.
Thanks again for your continued support we are so super grateful for you. You are the bass to our band keeping us in time and on track. Xx
Lots of Love.
Show Notes:
Previous Kindred Episode: https://www.kindredpodcast.co/56-zoos-good-or-bad-a-conversation-with-historian-nigel-rothfels/
https://sites.uwm.edu/rothfels/https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/53791/savages-and-beasts?srsltid=AfmBOopM5MOYEb1y4n36S0kIG1ZrZVaC0frAcAkB9bFZm3IKMNagWwwp
You can buy his book wherever you normally buy your books.
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Tim Hofmann, a certified dog trainer working with the Cheetah Conservation Fund (CCF), running the Scat Detection Dog program.
Since 2018, Tim has been leading the scat detection dog project for CCR where his expertise extends to field projects across Namibia and Angola, where he works with his dogs to detect and conserve rare wildlife species, like cheetahs and African wild dogs.
Tim also holds a master’s degree in Nature Conservation Biology and is currently pursuing a Ph.D. in wildlife sciences which very much comes into play with his work at CCF. Tim is passionate about innovative wildlife conservation approaches, and his work focuses on the intersection of dog training and conservation biology.
What a dream to be out in some of the most beautiful landscapes in the world, with an amazing and sweet dog, all the while in support of wildlife conservation.
And many of you will recognize CCF from a previous episode where we spoke with Dr. Laurie Marker-the Executive Director of the Cheetah Conservation Fund, titled The Cheetahs Longest Race.
We are pretty sure you’re gonna think this is one of the coolest jobs out there! What a dream job! Thanks so much to Tim and CCF and thanks for listening!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 6:46
TA: 51:04
Show Notes:
https://cheetah.org/ccf-blog/life-at-ccf/featured-staff-tim-hofmann/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Awanookwe Kingbird-Bratvold, founder of the animal rescue Awesiinyag (Animals) Are Loved. Awanookwe is Ojibwe from the Red Lake Nation in Northern Minnesota and has her masters in Education and is a professor in Indigenous Sustainability Studies at Bemidji State University in Minnesota. Awanookwe is also the CARE Center Senior Director for the Northern Tier. And if you know us, you know CARE or Companions and Animals for Reform and Equity, a BIPOC led organization out of Baltimore, Maryland, with offices countrywide.
We are so grateful to Awanookwe for speaking with us about her rescue organization and what it means to her and her community. She wears so many hats and is such a leader—and through trust, action, and deep collaboration with those who work alongside her and support her programs, she’s also uplifted and shared her Nation’s perspectives, beliefs, and way of life.
We love talking to people and organizations that are boots on the ground, walking the walk, making moves to help not only animals in need but also the people who love those animals! I feel like the people who are hands-on and leaders in rescue, especially locally where they live, are heroes!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 6:29
TA: 1:06:33
Show Notes:
https://www.instagram.com/awesiinyag_are_loved/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Carolyn Finney, a cultural geographer, storyteller, actor, lover of pop culture, and author. Carolyn has her Doctorate in geography and is the author of Black Faces, White Spaces: Reimagining the Relationship of African Americans to the Great Outdoors. She has also held positions at Wellesley College, the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Kentucky.
We have often wondered what it means to have ‘a sense of place’ and what that means for humans in the intersection of place, history, and geography. Where are you from? What does that mean to you? What does it mean to have a place or a sense of home and have that taken away from you? Can it be?
Carolyn graciously walks with us through what a sense of place means to her and expands our narrative on what that means. And as it turns out, a sense of place isn’t just about geography - it’s about how we as individuals, and the bigger collective, experience the natural world and the planet and what that tells us about who we are.
What is your connection and relationship to the world outside your door - the place you live or were born to? We’d love to hear!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Intro: 00:17
Interview: 6:27
TA: 1:14:25
Show Notes:
https://www.carolynfinney.com/about-carolynfinney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89xQdWau9vw
https://www.carolynfinney.com/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Sassee Walker, founder of the non profit cat rescue Sassee Cats operating in New York City, specifically Brooklyn and East New York areas. She also works full-time for NYC Health and Hospitals in their billing department.
Sassee started working in cat rescue and welfare in 2011 so she’s been doing this for a long time. And she is another person out there, boots on the ground, walking the walk, and making a HUGE impact on the welfare of street cats in New York. She is also supporting and educating other animal lovers on how to trap through getting certified to do TNR or trap/neuter/return, and how we all can learn how to help so many cats get fed, vet care, and find homes.
Sassee is deep in the stray cat trenches, and she's here to take us through a day in the life of a cat rescuer and what it really means to be all-in for one of our favorite companions.
We're so happy to introduce you to our new favorite Catwoman. Halle Berry and Michelle Pfeiffer were iconic, sure, but in our book no one beats Sassee Walker.
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 6:32
TA: 1:00:29
Show Notes:
https://www.instagram.com/sassee_badass_tnr/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Dr. Dawn Wright, chief scientist at Esri, or Environmental Systems Research Institute and a specialist in marine geology, geography, and oceanography, and not least of all a deepsea diver.
Dawn Wright also made history in 2022 when she became the first Black person to visit Challenger Deep, the oceans deepest and most unexplored place on Earth, an experience she goes into detail about in her new book, co-written with Esri Press, Mapping The Deep: Innovation, Exploration, and the Dive of A Lifetime.
Dawn walks us through why mapping the oceans' depths is so critical and the positive impacts this information is having on not only the health of our oceans but what that means for us terrestrial beings!
To me, Dawn is a Renaissance woman in the world of oceanography and mapping systems and her breadth of understanding of all things oceans is as far reaching as the depths of Challenger Deep.
Please join us on this dive of a lifetime and enter into the mysterious and breathtaking world below!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:17
Interview: 6:29
TA: 01:12:09
Show Notes:
https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/author/dawn-wright
https://www.esri.com/en-us/esri-press/browse/mapping-the-deep
The link below is a book reference Dawn made during the interview:
https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324006718
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This is a Special Episode of Kindred, and we’re throwing it in mid-season because we have questions! Let me explain.
Recently, the federal government has been eliminating or cutting federal programs and funding in context to conservation-from protection of wildlife and forest, to clean air and water acts.
This has ignited many questions about the effects that the federal government is having on not only a national level, but on state and local levels as well. So, we want to know how we can take action to support local and state governments, and non profit organizations, who are working hard to protect long standing and critical protections in support of wildlife and nature.
So we have asked Patrick McDonnell, CEO and President of the non profit PennFuture to join us today to walk us through the effects that the federal government is having on a state and local level, and specifically Pennsylvania, our home state. Patrick brings over 20 years of experience on climate, clean energy and environmental issues to his role as president and CEO of PennFuture.
Thanks so much to Patrick and PennFuture for jumping into this conversation and sharing your insights from your many years of experience in this field, and also sharing some great go-to’s in Pennsylvania! And make sure to listen to the end. We have some extra fun facts!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction-00:16
Interview-7:18
Show Notes:
https://www.pa.gov/agencies/dcnr/glen-onoko-falls.html
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Oscar Rodriguez, founder and CEO of Underdogs K9 Training. Oscar’s training focuses on dog psychology and dog behavior and his professional services include dog walking, dog boarding, and working with dogs and their humans to navigate through behavioral issues and help owners understand dog psychology to better connect them to each other, and help their dogs grow in confidence and live their most happy and balanced life.
Oscar shares his story of how he came to work with dogs during his incarceration and how those dogs led him to a path of self-awareness and healing, and now thriving.
This is a story of a journey born out of the courage to heal oneself and the incredible power that animals like dogs can offer us.
We are so grateful to Oscar for sharing his inspirational story and inviting us into a space deep in the heart. This conversation is steeping in courage, vulnerability, and we are so grateful to Oscar for sharing his wisdom with us.
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:15
Interview: 6:36
TA: 1:12:53
Show Note Links:
https://www.instagram.com/underdogsk9training/
https://www.marleysmutts.org/pawsitivechange
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It’s time for our special edition of Kindred’s Book Club!
In this season’s Book Club we are featuring Slippery Beast: A True Crime Natural History, with Eels, by Ellen Ruppel Shell.
Author Ellen Ruppel Shell is professor emeritus at Boston University, in the department of science journalism. Ellen has published many articles, reviews, and essays which have appeared in the New York Times, The Guardian, LA Times, Washington Post, and spent years as a contributing editor and correspondent for The Atlantic. Ellen is the author of 5 books, including our feature Slippery Beast: A True Crime Natural History, with Eels.
Yes you read that right! We are talking all about EELS! But hold on, don’t think you know this animal, unless you really do, because boy are they just full of surprises.
In Ellen’s book Slippery Beast we are taken on a journey that is as surprising as the animal itself. We go from Freud and his short lived quest to understanding this species to the dark underworld of the LARGEST illegally traded species today. Eels are the most heavily trafficked animal in the world. That’s more than rhino horn, elephant tusk, pangolin scales, or turtles. Crazy right? Wait til you hear more!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:16
Interview: 8:07
Show Note Links:
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In this week’s episode, we speak with Daniel Curry, Range Rider and founder of the non-profit Project Griph, an organisation focused on wildlife conflict mitigation.
Through Daniel’s specialized methods executed on horseback, with a team of dogs, Daniel works to support ranchers and farmers who are in conflict with wolves. He is the buffer between large carnivores and cattle or sheep, like a shepherd and a cowboy rolled into one. And through humane and effective methods, Daniel works with people in support of creating a space where humans and carnivores can coexist and thrive.
Enjoy this episode as we gallop through this conversation with a real-life cowboy and the best coworkers a person could ever hope for!
Lots of Love.
Time Stamps:
Introduction-00:16
Interview-4:58
Take Away-1:12:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzG6kiMXO98&t=307s
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Welcome back to our Spring Season!
We are so excited to start dropping a new season full of the most amazing guests!
Look out for new episodes starting April 15th and make sure to follow us so you don’t miss any of the incredible conversations we have lined up for you.
This season, we go deep from the bottom of our hearts to the bottom of our oceans.
See you on Tuesdays!
Lots of Love,
Kate & Jenn
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Originally released August 15, 2023. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in April 2025.
In this week’s episode, we speak with Dr. Mathias Osvath, Cognitive Zoologist at Lund University about all things corvids and specifically the raven.
We’ve known how smart these birds are but, um, did not realize HOW smart! You will never look at a crow, magpie, jay, nutcracker, jackdaw, rook, or raven (all corvids) the same after listening to this conversation.
Thank you to Dr. Osvath for taking a super brainy subject and breaking it down for us on Kindred so that we can understand how and why corvids are so intelligent.
And the part where he talks about a baby raven practicing their little raven croak in a corner by themselves?….Unbearably cute. Plus many more incredible anecdotes.
Lots of Love.
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Originally released July 4, 2023. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in April 2025.
In this week’s episode, we speak with Matt Rader, the President of the Pennsylvania Horticultural Society. We dig deep into environmental justice and what it means for people to have access to green spaces and the many positive effects it has not only on the aesthetic of a city but the many mental, physical, social, and overall health benefits.
We’ve been wanting to cover this for a long time and Matt beautifully walks us through what environmental justice is, how it affects all of us, and the many models and programs PHS has put into effect to give Philadelphia access, experience, and a deeper and healthier connection to nature.
We are so grateful to PHS and Matt Rader for his time, heart, and absolute dedication to getting Philly more access, agency, and connection to all things green.
Lots of Love.
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Originally released January 23, 2024.
New Kindred episodes will drop starting in April 2025.
In this week’s episode, we speak with long-haul hiker and adventurer Melanie Vogel.
Melanie is the first woman to walk the Trans Canada Trail, the longest recreational trail in the world. She walked from the Atlantic Ocean across and up to the Arctic Ocean, then down and over to the Pacific Ocean. Nearly 21,000 kilometers. Solo.
Melanie’s story is one of unexpected connections, harrowing experiences, brutal weather, stunning beauty, finding a soul mate, finding oneself, and the slow and emerging awareness of what it is to be human.
We were spellbound by her story of letting go of fear, anxiety, and control that we carry in our daily lives, and emerging as her true self - more than she had ever felt before. And this story holds, to date, my most favorite meet-cute. Cary Grant and Katharine Hepburn have nothing on this one.
Please rate and review us! And share this episode with your people. It’s an incredible story for so many reasons and we’d love to hear what you loved about it.
Lots of Love.
Show Notes:
Instagram: @explorermelvogel
https://tctrail.ca/news/melanie-vogel/
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Our final episode of the season was supposed to air earlier this month, but due to the quickly changing political landscape, we couldn’t release it as planned. It was a tough call, but the right one. In this episode, Kate will be reading the statement we shared in response to all of this, which you may have already seen on our social media or in our newsletter.
As we close out another season, we’d love to hear from you—what did you enjoy, and what do you want more of?
New episodes will drop in April, and we can’t wait to be back.
Lots of love! ❤️
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Originally released April 25, 2023. New Kindred episodes will drop starting in April 2025.
In this week's conversation, we speak with Tracy Wilson, the Nevada State Director for American Wild Horse Campaign (AWHC) on a critical subject we knew little to nothing about the wild Mustangs and Burros of the West and North Western United States. She walks us through their challenges, the critical edge they live on, and why we must save this iconic historical animal.
AWHC believes "There Is A Better Way" to work with supporting and managing these beautiful and powerful animals through programs like their fertility control, or PZP (Porcine Zona Pellucida) the largest program of its kind in the world today.
However, brutal and inhumane management via roundups by helicopter still remains the method of corralling the horses and burros, creating chaos, injury, extreme stress, and death.
We also believe there is a better way. And we find out what that is, and what we owe these animals that long to live wild and free on our American landscape.
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We are dropping this episode as an encore in light of the devastating fires LA have been experiencing the last few weeks. There are so many reasons these fires are happening and we wanted to re-share this episode on fire in support of answering some of the questions we have been seeing on social media and hearing on news platforms.
In this week's conversation, we speak with Tony Incashola Jr., forest manager for CSKT (Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes), and Stephanie Gillin, information and education program manager and former wildlife biologist for the CSKT at the Flathead Indian Reservation.
Tony and Stephanie walk us through the history of fire and what it means to their tribes and how the criminalization of their fire practices not only impacted the health of the landscape but significantly changed how fire affects the land, ecosystems, and people of Montana and the general western part of the United States.
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Dave Onorato, Research Scientist with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC), and the Florida Panther Project.
For this conversation, we get to head down to Florida to learn all about the elusive Florida Panther!
Dave patiently walked us through what a panther is because I for one can get them confused with other large North American cats. He also shares with us the challenges panthers are facing today with both health and habitat and what the Panther Project is doing to actively support and protect these majestic cats!
Dave also shares a few of his most memorable moments out in the field with panthers.
And can I just say, these beauties are definitely the OG on the smokey eye look. Pretty sure I know where the Kardashians learned it from.
Lots of Love.
This is our final episode of Season 7. We will be dropping new episodes again starting in April 2025 🌿
Episode Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:51
Interview: 5:25
TA: 51:19
Show Note Links:
https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/wildlife/panther/
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In this week’s episode, we are speaking with Dr. Katherine Gura, a research scientist at Colorado State University and a leader in raptor research and conservation, with a specific focus on Great Grey Owls. Katherine also has a background in wildlife ecology and is a long standing team member at the Teton Raptor Center working with raptors to better understand their needs in a time of changing climates and habitat loss.
If you’ve ever heard the call of an owl, in the dark, under a full moon and gotten full body chills, you will know why we loved this conversation so much. And if you haven’t, take a listen because we offer you that experience today.
Katherine takes us into the habitat of the Great Grey Owl and sits with us as she explains why they are so exceptional, wise, and captivating. And we left this space understanding why this incredible raptor is a wildlife treasure, and what they offer not only their ecosystem, but what they mean to us and why we should value them and fight for their conservation.
Thanks so much to Katherine for taking us into the world of the magical Great Grey Owl.
An owl with a call that will echo through your soul.
Lots of Love.
Episode Time Stamps:
Introduction: 00:53
Interview: 6:24
TA: 1:03:42
Show Note Links:
https://tetonraptorcenter.square.site/product/phantom-of-the-north/49?cs=true&cst=custom
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Great_Gray_Owl/overview
https://www.cira.colostate.edu/staff/gura-katherine/
https://tetonraptorcenter.org/wild-women-of-wildlife-features-trcs-katherine-gura/
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This time of year can be challenging. It’s dark, grey and cold. So Kat and I thought we could offer a new perspective, one that Jenn and I have been shifting for years.
How can we see darker and colder times as a way to rest and renew ourselves?
What if we looked to the natural world for a better, more meaningful way to experience winter?
Here are our thoughts on how we might lean into the winter season and look to animals and nature as a guide and inspiration on how to rest and renew ourselves and tap into seasonal cycles and see what we can learn from these organic rhythms during “darker” times.
Happy New Year, dear listeners. From all of us at Kindred we wish you all a warm and peaceful holiday season! And may the energy this time of year can offer, nurture you through this winter.
And all the best to you in 2025!
As always, lots of love.
Kate, Jenn, & Kat. xoxo
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