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Complementary
Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman
68 episodes
6 days ago
A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.
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A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.
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Complementary
68: Interface Design Assets (typefaces, imagery, icons)

Anthony and Katie share some of their favorite design assets.


Links mentioned:

https://blush.design/

https://nucleoapp.com/

https://tabler.io/icons

https://feathericons.com/

https://thenounproject.com/

https://www.streamlinehq.com/

https://klim.co.nz/

https://wakamaifondue.com/

https://simplebits.shop/collections/fonts

https://open-props.style/

https://fontawesome.com/

https://phosphoricons.com/

https://connary.com/fonts/


Hosts:

Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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5 days ago
53 minutes 32 seconds

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67: Vector vs. Code Based Design Tooling with Andreas Møller

Anthony and Katie are joined by Andreas Møller, co-founder of Nordcraft. Nordcraft aims to bring design and development closer together, and as you can imagine Andreas has a unique perspective on design tools. What happens to "hand-off" when designers can get their ideas 90% there?


Find Andreas on Bluesky


Hosts:

Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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2 weeks ago
1 hour 5 minutes 21 seconds

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66: Interface Design Then & Now with Microsoft's First Interface Designer Virginia Howlett

Anthony and Katie are joined by Virginia Howlett, author of Visual Interface Design for Windows and one of the first interface designers at Microsoft. Virginia is also an artist, and her paintings can be found on her website https://www.virginiahowlett.com/. We discuss what it was like being a designer 30 years ago (spoiler: some things haven't changed!), the connection between graphic design and interface design, and what it was like pioneering design decisions that we take for granted today.


Hosts:

Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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1 month ago
1 hour 15 minutes 36 seconds

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65: Listener Q&A

Anthony and Katie answer a few listener questions.


Questions asked: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1961014039368110395


Hosts:

Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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2 months ago
1 hour 12 minutes 34 seconds

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64: Big vs Small Software

Anthony and Katie attempt to define big vs. small software, and then compare the two.


Hosts:

Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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2 months ago
47 minutes 56 seconds

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63: Being Intentional About Quality with Lance Willett

Anthony and Katie are joined by Lance Willett, Chief Quality Officer at Automattic. There's a lot packed into this hour long conversation, but a few things we touch on are:


  • - Measuring and championing quality in distributed teams

  • - Navigating feedback culture and team dynamics

  • - Balancing craft, context, and care in product development


    Hardik Pandya tweet Anthony mentioned: https://x.com/hvpandya/status/1949733270897188935


  • Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    2 months ago
    1 hour 10 minutes 30 seconds

    Complementary
    62: MacOS Through the Ages

    Anthony and Katie discuss the elements of previous MacOS versions that stand out most.


    Inspired by: https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preference


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    3 months ago
    52 minutes 30 seconds

    Complementary
    61: Liquid Glass

    Anthony and Katie chat about Apple's Liquid Glass.


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    3 months ago
    47 minutes 33 seconds

    Complementary
    60: Designing Tools to Support Creativity with Matt Beaudouin-Lafon

    Anthony and Katie are joined by HCI PhD candidate Matt Beaudouin-Lafon at UCSD, and discuss how HCI research intersects with industry product design.


    Links mentioned:

    • Matt's work on Color Field
    • Ink & Switch
    • Textoshop
    • Creativity Support Tools paper from Ben Shneiderman


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    4 months ago
    1 hour 2 minutes 12 seconds

    Complementary
    59: Material 3 Expressive

    Anthony and Katie chat about Material 3 Expressive.


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    5 months ago
    37 minutes 2 seconds

    Complementary
    58: Thoughts on Config 2025

    Anthony and Katie chat about Config 2025.


    Talks mentioned:

    Writing is designing

    The maximalist theory of minimalism


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    5 months ago
    49 minutes 46 seconds

    Complementary
    57: The Gap Between Design and Execution with Alex Krasikov

    Anthony and Katie are joined by design engineer Alex Krasikov to discuss .. you guessed it, design engineering.


    Alex Krasikov: https://x.com/alex_krasikau


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    6 months ago
    43 minutes 51 seconds

    Complementary
    56: Navigation

    Anthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns.


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    6 months ago
    51 minutes 47 seconds

    Complementary
    55: Design is Decision Making

    Anthony and Katie define the process of decision making as it relates to design.


    Anthony's post: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1904449738084094138


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    6 months ago
    40 minutes 34 seconds

    Complementary
    54: Design vs. Development

    Anthony and Katie discuss some differences and similarities between design and development.


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    7 months ago
    45 minutes 24 seconds

    Complementary
    53: Deep Dive on the Conceptual Model Layer with Jamie Mill

    Anthony and Katie are joined by Jamie Mill to discuss his post on the elements of product design.


    Jamie Mill: https://jamiemill.com/


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    8 months ago
    1 hour 4 minutes 58 seconds

    Complementary
    52: Visual Design Techniques We Love

    Anthony and Katie each pick their top 3 most loved design techniques in the spirit of Valentine's Day.


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    8 months ago
    40 minutes 40 seconds

    Complementary
    51: Thoughts on the book Do Design: Why beauty is the key to everything by Alan Moore

    Anthony and Katie discuss the book Do Design: Why Beauty is the Key to Everything by Alan Moore.


    Do Design: https://thedobook.co/products/do-design-why-beauty-is-key-to-everything?Format=Paperback

    Anthony's list of short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html

    Dan Luu: Willingness to look stupid


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    9 months ago
    42 minutes 17 seconds

    Complementary
    50: Starting from Scratch vs. Improving Existing Design

    Anthony and Katie discuss what it takes to start designing something from scratch compared to working on an existing product, and the upsides/downsides of both.


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    9 months ago
    54 minutes 14 seconds

    Complementary
    49: Design Folklore with Guy Segal

    Katie, Anthony and special guest Guy discuss design folklore: what it is, where it might come from, and how to best use it in your design practices.


    Guy Segal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guysegal


    Hosts:

    Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman

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    9 months ago
    52 minutes 13 seconds

    Complementary
    A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.