In this *mini* bonus episode, Bernie and David Janka, our guest from episode 11, share the advice they give students when asked about classes, careers, and first jobs.

Bernie likes to tell students that planning often doesn’t work — life is full of chance and change — and to embrace it. David encourages students to explore, enjoy the detours, and turn “mistakes” (aka learnings...) into part of their story.

Together, their wisdom: expect the unexpected, and enjoy the voyage of discovery.

 01:08 Bernie: Logic doesn’t matter, embrace change

01:52 David: Exploration over perfection

02:44 The value of misinterpretation and detours

04:00 Connecting your diverse interests into a story

04:23 Krista’s wrap-up: enjoy the voyage, welcome the unexpected

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Co-hosts: Bernie Roth & Krista Donaldson

Producer: Krista Donaldson