Do you rest hard?

In this Work Is Third bonus clip, Tyneka Pack, founder of Impackt Fitness, reminds us that joy, rest, and boundaries are just as essential to leadership as drive and discipline.

From laughing about her love of cookies to reflecting on what truly brings her childlike joy, Tyneka offers a refreshing take on what it means to fill your own cup. She shares how overbooking herself reminded her to pause, reset, and make time for simple pleasures — because rest isn’t a reward, it’s part of the work.

Guest Info

• @tdeniise/@impackt_fitness (IG)
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyneka-pack-4221a441
• Website: www.impacktfitness.com

🎧 Listen to the full episode, Wellness That Works for Women Who Lead, for more on how to sustain your ambition without burning out.

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Is your body strong enough to sustain your ambition?

In this episode, fitness coach and founder of Impackt Fitness, Tyneka Pack, joins Work Is Third to talk about what it really means to sustain your ambition — not just chase it.

From building a body that can carry your vision to embracing mindset shifts and the power of flexibility, Tyneka shares how high-performing women can lead with intention instead of exhaustion. We talk about redefining productivity, honoring your body’s natural rhythms, and how to make movement part of a holistic leadership strategy.

Guest Info

• @tdeniise/@impackt_fitness (IG)
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyneka-pack-4221a441
• Website: www.impacktfitness.com

💬Key Quotes

• “You can’t carry out the vision if the vessel is depleted.”
• “Boundaries don’t matter unless they’re enforced.”
• “Rest and recovery should be built into your wellness plan.”
• “Wellness is not a luxury — it’s a leadership strategy.”

📂 Section Markers

01:06 Section 1: The Body Carries the Vision

23:54 Section 2: Breaks, Mindset Shifts, and the Power of Flexibility

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and Recouping Energy

03:00 Daily Routines and Time Management

05:39 The Journey to Impackt Fitness

09:04 Holistic Approach to Fitness

12:21 Maintaining Personal Wellness

15:50 Recognizing and Managing Burnout

19:11 Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self-Care

22:10 Scheduling Around Energy Levels

28:18 The Importance of Taking Breaks

30:43 Flexibility in Fitness Routines

33:37 Mindset Shifts in Fitness

34:43 Creating Space for Self-Care

37:25 Setting Boundaries with Work

41:26 Creating a Nighttime Routine

44:11 Identifying Joy and Self-Care Challenges

44:25 Time Management and Overbooking Challenges

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Freddy Jackson, founder of the Love...No Ego Foundation, shares how he says yes to love—even when that means saying no to something else. In this short and soulful bonus clip, Freddy talks about protecting his peace, practicing at life, and creating space for what truly matters.

💬 Key Quotes

• “It’s easy for me to say yes to love—because I recognize it every time.”
• “I’m obedient to my peace.”
• “Even when I say no, I can still be saying yes to love.”

Guest Info

• Website: https://www.mrlovenoego.org/
• National Love…No Ego Day: https://www.nationaldayarchives.com/day/national-love-no-ego-day) 
• The Love No Ego Experience: https://www.lovenoego.org/thelneexperience
• SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS @mrlovenoego

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What does it mean to live without ego and lead with love?

In this episode, Dawn sits down with Freddy Jackson, inspirational speaker and founder of the Love No Ego Foundation, to explore what it truly means to practice at life. From grounding in nature to creating the conditions for peace, Freddy shares how authenticity, curiosity, and courage shape his work mentoring youth and speaking across the country. This conversation will leave you reflecting on how to meet life as it is—fully, intentionally, and with love.

Guest Info

·      Website: https://www.mrlovenoego.org/

·      National Love…No Ego Day: https://www.nationaldayarchives.com/day/national-love-no-ego-day

·      The Love No Ego Experience:  https://www.lovenoego.org/thelneexperience

·      SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS @mrlovenoego
IG: https://www.instagram.com/mrlovenoego/
LI: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mrlovenoego
FB: https://www.facebook.com/MrLoveNoEgo/
YT: https://www.youtube.com/mrlovenoego
TT: https://www.tiktok.com/mrlovenoego

Books

o  "Love...No Ego, Where Are You Living From?"

o  "The Youser's Manual"

Projects: The future "Love No Ego, Youth Community Park"    

Events: https://www.mrlovenoego.org/speakingevents

💬 Key Quotes

• “You have to practice at life. We practice sports, we practice work—but how often do we practice simply being alive?”
• “Reality is the now. Everything else is something we made up.”
• “If you create the conditions for peace, peace will come.”
• “Love heals. Ego destroys.”
• “What you’re looking for, you already have.”

📂 Section Markers

01:16 Section 1: Practicing Life and the Power of Presence

21:28 Section 2: Creating the Conditions for Peace and the Courage to Be You

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

 00:00 Introduction and Connection to Nature

02:37 The Importance of Being Present

06:55 Understanding the Love No Ego Philosophy

10:47 Teaching Kids About Ego

13:49 Creating Conditions for Success

17:01 The Power of Now and Personal Responsibility

20:49 Challenges as Opportunities for Growth

24:16 The Disconnect from Childhood Joy

28:22 Reflections on Life's Journey

28:51 The Courage to Be Authentic

30:59 Navigating Midlife Crises

32:05 Daily Practices for Inner Peace

33:52 Creating a Serene Environment

35:53 The Importance of Grounding

38:02 Time Confetti: Managing Life's Distractions

40:16 Removing Physical and Emotional Clutter

42:46 Intentional Living and Self-Reflection

43:28 Personal Reflections on Love and Acceptance

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Does your calendar spark joy?

In this short, joy-filled clip, Jen Sacks, host of Small Things, Big Life, shares her take on Yes Days, saying no, and why her calendar glows bright yellow for workouts and joy.

Dawn and Jen talk about parenting, boundaries, and the simple rituals that bring balance — like giving yourself permission to say yes to what matters most and no to what drains your energy.

It’s a lighthearted reminder that self-care doesn’t have to be complicated — sometimes it’s just a pop of color and a block of time that says, this is for me.

Guest Info

·      Website: https://www.smallthingsbig.life/

·      Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576508242635

·      Instagram: @small.things.big.life (https://www.instagram.com/small.things.big.life/)

·      LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-sacks

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When was the last time you really slowed down?

In this conversation, Dawn sits down with Jen Sacks, host of Small Things, Big Life, to explore what it really means to pause, let go, and trust the messy middle. After nearly 20 years in the federal workforce, Jen is navigating a new season—learning how to rest without guilt, create new routines, and embrace the beauty of uncertainty.

Together, they unpack the tension between stillness and productivity, the joy that comes from small steps, and how transitions can become sacred opportunities for mending and healing. This episode is a gentle reminder that slowing down isn’t a sign of stopping—it’s how we find our way forward.

Guest Info

• Website: https://www.smallthingsbig.life/

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61576508242635
• Instagram: @small.things.big.life (https://www.instagram.com/small.things.big.life/)
• LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-sacks

💬 Key Quotes

• “You have to make sure you’re focused on your health, because once you fill your cup, then you can give a little bit more.” – Jen Sacks
• “If you can strip away the titles and just see people as human beings, you’ll have more compassion.” – Jen Sacks
• “Other people are not a means to an end; we’re all in this together.” – Dawn Hunter
• “The world can be on fire, and we can still live joyful, connected lives.” – Dawn Hunter
•  “Healing sometimes looks like mending the pieces you didn’t even know were cracked.” – Jen Sacks

📂 Section Markers

01:16 Section 1: The Power of Pause Amid Transition

27:25 Section 2: Being Better Leaders and Better Humans

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Navigating Transitions and Emotions

03:27 The Importance of Self-Care and Mindfulness

06:07 Finding Balance in Life and Work

08:57 The Challenge of Productivity and Rest

11:36 Creating Structure in a Flexible Life

14:35 Embracing Imperfection and Messiness

30:27 Navigating Household Dynamics

33:20 Understanding Personal Preferences in Relationships

35:29 The Importance of Communication in Relationships

38:07 Leadership and Team Dynamics

40:52 The Human Element in Leadership

43:29 Creating Joyful Connections

44:54 Intentional Pauses for Personal Growth

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Feeling tired or stretched thin? This one’s your reminder to listen to your body and make room for the magic that comes when you rest.

In this bonus clip, Your Dream Strategist Rashidat Odeyemi reminds us: “There's so many amazing things in this world to experience if we allow ourselves this space to do it.”The magic is in listening to your body, honoring what feels right, and letting go when it’s time to make room for something new.

✨ A conversation about changing rhythms, redefining rest, and making space for the magic.

💬 Key Quotes

• “Your body will tell you what your mind tries to ignore.”
• “If I can make money off it, I can’t call it rest.”
• “You didn’t change your mind — you evolved.”
• “Make space for things to be magical.”

Guest Info

• Website: https://yourdreamstrategist.com/ 
• YT: https://www.youtube.com/@yourdreamstrategist
• Email: rashidat@yourdreamstrategist.com
• DM me here:  https://ig.me/m/yourdreamstrategist
• TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@yourdreamstrategist
• LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yourdreamstrategist/
• IG: https://www.instagram.com/yourdreamstrategist/

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What if success wasn’t the goal—but joy was?

In this uplifting episode, Your Dream Strategist Rashidat Odeyemi joins Dawn to explore what it means to create a soft life filled with alignment, curiosity, and celebration. Together they unpack burnout recovery, the myths of hustle culture, and how to rehydrate your “dreaming gland.”

From roller coasters to rest, Rashidat reminds us that we can plan our joy just as intentionally as our achievements—and that being gentle with ourselves is the most radical act of all.

Guest Info

• Website: https://yourdreamstrategist.com/ 
• YT: https://www.youtube.com/@yourdreamstrategist
  
• Email: rashidat@yourdreamstrategist.com
• DM me here:  https://ig.me/m/yourdreamstrategist
• TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@yourdreamstrategist
• LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yourdreamstrategist/
• IG: https://www.instagram.com/yourdreamstrategist/

💬 Key Quotes

• “We’ve been taught to plan our success, but never to plan our joy.”
• “You can’t burnout-proof your life without learning what makes you come alive.”
• “Be gentle with yourself—you’re blooming, not breaking.”
• “Sometimes the bravest thing you can do is rest.”
• “Throw your hands up, say ‘weee,’ and enjoy the ride.”

📂 Section Markers

01:04 Section 1: Rediscovering What Makes You Come Alive25:12 Section 2: Alignment, Celebration, and Joy in Practice

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to Rashidat's Journey

02:33 The Importance of Rest and Slow Travel

05:24 Understanding and Preventing Burnout

08:08 Mindset Shifts for Fulfillment

11:18 The Journey of Self-Discovery

13:59 Creating a Life of Joy and Adventure

17:00 Embracing Change and New Beginnings

19:42 The Process of Personal Growth

22:19 Celebrating Small Wins

25:16 Aligning Life with Personal Values

30:46 Embracing Change and Curiosity

32:06 The Roller Coaster of Life

35:16 Theme Park Adventures and Joyful Experiences

38:29 Finding Joy Amidst Uncertainty

40:27 Living Beyond Restrictions

43:21 Reimagining Work and Life Post-COVID

44:22 Creating Space for Magic and Evolution

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How do you keep growing when life already feels full?

In this bonus clip, Dawn and Jayden Aubryn explores what it means to stay curious, expressive, and grounded. From redefining continuing education to embracing creativity and self-reflection, this short conversation is full of reminders to celebrate progress—not perfection.

Guest Info

• chaotichealing.org 
• tiseconsultingandtherapy.com
• @chaotic_healers (IG)
• @tiseconsultingandtherapy (IG and Tiktok)
• Twerk for Trauma course

💬 Key Quote

“There's so many different ways to engage with continuingeducation.”

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What if healing meant moving your body — joyfully, messily,and without judgment?

In this episode, psychotherapist, personal trainer, and founder of Chaotic Healing, Jayden Aubryn joins Dawn to explore what it means to live intentionally, move intuitively, and reject all-or-nothing thinking. From their “Twerk for Trauma” course to their reflections on grief, celebration, and creative freedom, Jayden reminds us that healing doesn’t have to be linear — it just has to be yours.

Together, they talk about the power of embodiment, the traps of productivity and perfectionism, and why reframing “good vs. bad” into “helpful vs. harmful” might be the most compassionate boundary you can set.

Guest Info

• chaotichealing.org 
• tiseconsultingandtherapy.com
• @chaotic_healers (IG)
• @tiseconsultingandtherapy (IG and Tiktok)
• Twerk for Trauma course

💬 Key Quotes

• “You can do whatever you want. You can be whoever you are.”
• “Grief and celebration are two sides of the same coin.”
• “If you are moving in a joyful and embodied way — you feel free and open and not judged — that puts us in a place to heal from trauma.”
• “Healing is being able to hold as many parts of ourselves as once without melting down.”
• “If you create art, you’re an artist. Period.”

📚 Resources Mentioned

• The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron
• Libby app (for free audiobooks)
• Healing While Black Conference (St. Petersburg, FL)

📂 Section Markers

01:05 Section 1: Embodied Intentions and Rhythms of Life

26:19 Section 2: Healing, Creativity, and Redefining Success

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to Chaotic Healing and Compassionate Science

03:44 Finding Balance in Work and Life

06:32 Intentionality and Goal Setting

09:26 The Role of Movement in Healing

12:04 Exploring Dance as a Therapeutic Tool

14:51 Redefining Professionalism in Dance and Art

26:22 The Value of Art Beyond Capitalism

29:29 Expressing Creativity in Small Moments

31:20 Understanding Grief and Celebration

34:55 Healing Through Emotional Complexity

37:35 Defining Personal Goals and Values

41:35 Navigating Work-Life Balance

45:55 Empowering Choices and Self-Reflection

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Want more energy? Start delegating!

In this bonus clip from Work is Third, Danielle Roberts — the Anti-Career Coach — shares how outsourcing and delegation aren’t just for leaders, they’re for anyone who wants to protect their energy. From grocery delivery to hiring an assistant, Danielle and I talk about why letting go of certain tasks is a game-changer for boundaries, wellbeing, and joy.

💬Key Quote

"If you can outsource one thing to give yourself more energy or more capacity back, do it before you think that you need to."

✍🏽Guest Info

• TEDx Talk: Why Working Harder Isn't Working by Danielle Roberts
• Website: danielleroberts.co

• Socials: @imdanielleroberts

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Do you have the audacity to live life on your own terms?

Danielle Roberts, known as the Anti-Career Coach, joins me for a raw and inspiring conversation about redefining our relationship to work, navigating grief, and choosing authenticity. Danielle shares her journey of becoming sober, the lessons she’s carried from losing her mom at a young age, and how those experiences shaped her philosophy on work, joy, and boundaries.

We explore the toxicity of hustle culture, why leadership training is desperately lacking, how women can align work with their natural cycles, and the importance of creating community and psychological safety in the workplace. This is an episode about audacity, authenticity, and learning to live a life you’re proud of — not just a career.

📚 Resources Mentioned

·       TEDx Talk: Why Working Harder Isn't Working by Danielle Roberts

·       Website: danielleroberts.co

·      Socials: @imdanielleroberts

·      Atlas of the Heart by Brené Brown

·      We Should All Be Millionaires by Rachel Rodgers

·      The Top Five Regrets of the Dying by Bronnie Ware

✨ Key Quotes

• “We spend way too many hours at work for it to suck”
• “If today was my last day, would I be proud of the person that I am and what I’ve accomplished?”
• “We’re superheroes with what our bodies produce — so why aren’t we aligning work with our natural cycles?”
• “You don’t have to pour from an empty cup — it should be overflowing.”
• “Give yourself permission to want the things you want and do the things you want to do.”

📂 Section Markers

01:05 Section 1: Astonished, Authentic, and Breaking Hustle Culture

26:03 Section 2: Grief, Growth, and Living with Audacity

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

02:36 The Journey to Sobriety

05:33 Mindful Practices for Well-Being

08:15 Understanding Menstrual Cycles and Work

10:57 Challenging Workplace Norms

13:38 Leadership and Management Gaps

16:15 Creating a Supportive Work Environment

19:08 The Importance of Human Connection

22:02 Quality of Life and Work-Life Balance

24:24 Reflections on Mortality and Life Choices

31:38 The Quest for Validation and Acceptance

36:42 Unlearning Childhood Programming

39:53 Listening to Your Intuition

45:00 Embracing Authenticity in Professional Spaces

47:13 The Power of Audacity

48:45 Finding Balance Beyond Work

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Do you have days where you just can't do it all?

In this bonus clip, Cassandra Hill reminds us of the power of boundaries. Sometimes saying no is the most faithful yes you can give yourself.

She shares how seasons of life impact our choices, the tension between good opportunities and divine purpose, and the importance of protecting your capacity.

A reminder we all need: you can’t do it all — and you don’t have to.

💬 Key Quote

• “Sometimes where I still struggle, believe it or not, sometimes it's with just taking that pause in work.”

Guest Info

Website: www.cassandrarhill.com

Socials

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/transformationforblackwomen/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TransformationAgentBlackWomen
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thetransformationagentforblackwomen

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What storms in life have shaped you?

Master Life Coach, best-selling author, and speaker Cassandra Hill joins me to share her incredible journey of transformation. From corporate burnout and health challenges to building a life and career grounded in faith and resilience, Cassandra’s story is one of triumph through adversity.

We talk about:
✨Planting seeds and trusting the process
✨How storms shape our growth
✨Black women navigating corporate America
✨Pivoting into new seasons of purpose
✨Boundaries, wellness, and self-care

Whether you’re facing challenges, dreaming of your next chapter, or looking for inspiration to keep going, Cassandra’s wisdom will meet you right where you are.

Guest Info

Website: www.cassandrarhill.com

Socials

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/transformationforblackwomen/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TransformationAgentBlackWomen
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thetransformationagentforblackwomen

💬 Key Quotes

• “Don’t wish the storm away. There are lessons to be learned from it, grow from it, heal from it.”
• “Your job doesn’t love you. Let go of that idea now.”
• “What’s for you is for you — no one else can do it the way you do.”
• “Sometimes saying no is just as important as saying yes.”
• “You will birth into that beautiful butterfly. Appreciate the transformation journey.”

📚 Resources Mentioned

• Cassandra’s devotional: He Restores My Soul: Triumph Through Adversity
• Cassandra’s Linktree: linktr.ee/healercassandra
• Ryze Mushroom Coffee partnership (with code TRANSFORMATIONFORBLACKWOMEN15)

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📂 Section Markers

01:06 Section 1: Planting Seeds, Weathering Storms, and Finding Purpose

29:47 Section 2: Pivots, Boundaries, and the Butterfly Journey

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Introduction to Workplace Wellness and Policy Change

02:49 The Journey of Entrepreneurship and Personal Growth

05:26 The Importance of Sharing Stories and Embracing Grief

07:49 Frameworks for Coaching and Personal Development

10:28 Aligning Daily Actions with Vision and Goals

13:07 The Transition from Corporate to Entrepreneurship

15:32 Challenges Faced by Black Women in the Workforce

18:18 The Impact of Leaving the Workforce

21:12 Innovative Solutions and Community Support

23:59 Finding Purpose and Monetizing Skills

29:59 Embracing Change and Growth

35:08 The Expiration of Relationships

37:33 Navigating Health and Safety Concerns

40:27 Prioritizing Self-Care in Uncertain Times

42:37 Finding Joy in Simple Pleasures

48:33 The Beauty of Transformation

What small thing made YOU happy today? 🌸🌮

In this bonus clip, Dr. Brittany Peters shares her easy yes (showing up for community), her hard no (also showing up for community), and her daily practice of finding joy in small things — from tacos to BOGO flowers. She also reflects on the challenge of trusting intuition and taking action when you already know the answer.

Guest Info

·      Website: https://www.leadclinically.com/

·      Socials: @leadclinically

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Are you giving yourself the same energy you give to your job?

In this heartfelt conversation, Dr. Brittany Peters, behavioral health expert, licensed clinician, and educator, brings wisdom, humor, and deep vulnerability to the Work is Third podcast. We explore the socialization of productivity culture, the survival strategies that many high-achieving women carry into adulthood, and the importance of rewriting our personal “policies and procedures” to include rest, joy, and boundaries.

From 5 a.m. workouts to Half Dome hikes, from tacos to gratitude practices, Brittany reminds us that honoring our own time is not selfish — it’s necessary. We discuss how marginalized communities lose time through systemic inequities, how to protect our calendars, and why affirming “I have enough, I do enough, I am enough” can shift everything.

Guest Info

·      Website: https://www.leadclinically.com/

·      Socials: @leadclinically

📚 Resources Mentioned

• The Joyful Rebellion newsletter & Five-Minute Rebellion challenge
• Wasfia Nazreen (first Bangladeshi woman to climb the Seven Summits)
• Wheeler Peak, NM (highest point in New Mexico)
• Yosemite’s Half Dome hike (lottery permit system)
• Research on racial inequities in wait times for services: Examining inequality in the time cost of waiting

💬 Key Quotes

• “You have enough. You do enough. And you are enough.” – Dr. Brittany Peters
• “Sometimes what we do to get to where we are, we don’t shift once we arrive.” – Dr. Brittany Peters
• “What if I valued myself as much as I value this company that I work for?” – Dawn Hunter
• “Rest is not nothing. Rest is something.” – Dr. Brittany Peters
• “The only marker that matters is your own.” – Dr. Brittany Peters

📂 Section Markers

01:03 Section 1: Hiking Goals, Survival Strategies, and Shifting Habits

26:01 Section 2: Calendars, Systemic Time Theft, and Reclaiming Enough

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Embracing In-Person Connections

01:45 Creating Space for Self-Care

04:26 The Importance of Movement and Stretching

07:32 Challenging Productivity Culture

10:11 Setting and Achieving Personal Goals

13:22 The Journey of Hiking and Outdoor Adventures

16:09 Training for Physical Challenges

18:56 The Value of Preparation and Persistence

21:57 Exploring the Highest Points in Each State

25:29 Scheduling Self-Care: Honoring Personal Time

27:46 The Importance of Boundaries: Saying No to Others

30:06 Time Management: The Value of Our Time

31:55 Accountability in Time Management: Holding Others Responsible

35:29 Shifting Perspectives: From Survival to Self-Care

39:24 Small Steps to Self-Care: Celebrating Daily Wins

42:36 Reframing Work Culture: Prioritizing Self-Worth

45:21 Affirmations: You Are Enough

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Would someone describe you as a fluff ball?

In this bonus clip, Joshua Jackson answers four lighthearted but revealing questions: what’s easy to say yes to, what’s hard to say no to, what he does well when it comes to joy and rest, and where he still struggles.

His answers? Hope, joy, celebrating everything, and recognizing his own softness. It’s a vulnerable and uplifting reminder that joy is worth protecting, that connection matters, and that even in messy times, we can always return to ourselves.

Guest Socials

·      IG @risingroots2025

·      Tiktok @risingroots2025

·      Facebook: L Joshua Jackson

📚 Resources / Mentions

• Andor (Disney+ series)
• Capoeira name “Barauna” (Tree that falls and rises again)
• Superman (recent movie)
• References to Orishas (Elegba, Obatala, Olorun)

💬 Key Quotes

• “Hope is easy for me. We will make it.”
• “Oppression only works if they’re constantly on our necks—and there’s not enough of them.”
• “Any excuse for joy—I’m celebrating everything. It’s Monday, we celebrate. It’s Tuesday, we celebrate.”
• “I’m a fluff ball. I should notice that more and enjoy being.”

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Have you ever been fun-employed?

Joshua Jackson joins Work is Third for a conversation about confidence, worthiness, and the messy beauty of becoming. From “fun-employment” and financial struggles to lessons from elders and mentors, Joshua shares how self-love, grief, and joy are intertwined.

We dive into the concept of “distress recordings” from re-evaluation co-counseling, explore the liberation of men and masculinity, and reflect on how patterns from childhood shape us as adults. This episode is about shedding old scripts, embracing the full spectrum of our emotions, and choosing love as a foundation for work, relationships, and community.

Guest Socials

• IG @risingroots2025
• Tiktok @risingroots2025
• Facebook: L Joshua Jackson

📚 Resources Mentioned

• Worthy by Jamie Kern Lima
• Liberation of Men by John Irwin, Harvey Jackins, and Charlie Grenier
• Professors Justin Emeka and Caroline Jackson-Smith (Oberlin College)
• Weedie Braimah, Hands of Time (album)
• Re-evaluation Co-Counseling (concept & practice), https://www.rc.org/Coco Peila (artist, educator, and Joshua’s partner), Instagram @cocopeila + newsletter
• Kendrick Lamar, United in Grief

💬 Key Quotes

• “Confidence can falter, but worthiness never changes.”
• “Fun-employed… it’s rough, but it’s real.”
• “We are the character playing a role that no longer serves us.”
• “The depth to which you can feel joy is the depth to which you can feel grief.”
• “When I save you, heal you, love you, support you—I am doing the same for me and my people.”
• “Work isn’t even on the list right now. We’re just talking about how to be better humans.”

📂 Section Markers

01:10 Section 1: Systems, Masculinity, and the Searchfor Care

28:55 Section 2: Breaking Through and Belonging

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Revisiting Connections: A Warm Welcome

01:28 Confidence and Worthiness: A Deep Dive

04:10 Navigating Life's Messiness: Embracing Growth

12:59 The Importance of Self-Love: Foundations of Success

17:39 Love and Relationships: Reflections on Modern Connections

21:18 Liberation and Masculinity: A Critical Examination

24:11 Listening and Leading: The Role of Men in Society

28:10 Understanding Distress Recordings: Healing from the Past

32:13 The Impact of Late-Night Habits on Adult Life

34:29 The Importance of Setting Boundaries

37:25 Exploring Early Childhood Conditioning

39:05 The Role of Systemic Issues in Parenting

40:32 The Historical Context of Distress Recordings

42:27 The Power of Co-Counseling for Healing

44:53 The Interconnection of Grief and Joy

50:05 The Importance of Sharing Personal Stories

51:19 The Need for Conversations on Masculinity

53:22 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Healing

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What can a pizza party teach us about joy, boundaries, andasking for help?

In this bonus clip, Alicia Justice shares why it’s always yes (and almost never no) for her niece and nephews—and how that shapes the way she thinks about joy, boundaries, and asking for help.

💬Quote of Note:

“Girl, sit your behind down and ask for help.”

Themes:

• Auntie joy and liberation
• Saying yes and no with intention
• Protecting peace and asking for help

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What can feather boas, therapy, and TikTok teach us about joy, boundaries, and belonging?

In this edition of Work is Third, Dr. Alicia Justice talks about what it means to force joy when life feels heavy, the liberating power of therapy, and how self-expression through color and fashion becomes an act of resistance and self-love. Alicia shares stories of her journey: claiming space as a first generation scholar, navigating church and cultural messages about humility, and embracing joy as both practice and survival.

We also laugh about childhood boas, mismatched accessories, and playing dress up in our closets as adults. Along the way, Alicia reminds us: we don’t have to earn our worth, we don’t have to do all the things, and we’re still amazing even on the hard days.

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Keywords

liberation, joy, human experience, authenticity, societal norms, currency, resources, self-expression, color, childhood stories

📂 Section Markers

01:41 Section 1: From Giddy to Green: Joy, Color, and Childhood Stories

33:36 Section 2: Breaking Through and Belonging

📌Episode Chapters/Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and Giddy Anticipation

03:36 Rebooking the Japan Trip

06:10 The Joy of Color and Personal Style

14:10 Childhood Memories and Fashion Choices

19:46 Therapy and the Journey to Joy

24:43 The Importance of Self-Awareness

26:47 Therapy: A Path to Self-Discovery

32:42 Embracing Age and Self-Acceptance

37:40 The Power of Affirmation and Support

38:35 Cultural Influences on Self-Perception

41:26 Breaking Free from Guilt and Responsibility

42:44 Curating a Positive Online Experience

50:35 Curating Happiness Beyond Work

💬 Quotes to hold on to:

• “I don’t play about my mentals. Your mind can take you places a plane and a rocket can’t.”
• “You don’t have to do all the things.”
• “I’m still who I said I am, even in this pain.”
• “I’m not responsible for your distraction—let me be fly.”
• “Care has to be in alignment with my identity and how I want to show up in the world.”

Resources Mentioned:

• Joyful by Ingrid Fetell Lee
• The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron
• Poem “Let Them” (author often attributed to Keishorne Scott)

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