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Our guest today is a drummer, percussionist and songwriter who cut his teeth on the St Helens cabaret circuit, at just 13 years old. However that would prove to be a world away from the groundbreaking career he would pursue in the world of Post-Punk and alternative rock. Peter Clarke is better known professionally under the name of Budgie. A self taught timekeeper, his unique style has lent itself to the likes of The Slits, The Glove, The Creatures and of course imperial phase of Siouxsie and the Banshees. Over the last 40 odd years Budgie has laid down the rhythm for alternative music and now he has written a book about his life, his journey through the music industry and most importantly his understanding of self. The Absence is much more than a rock n roll diary its an honest exploration of the factors that drove him from obscurity to fame and the very edge of control. Its an honest and unflinching look at a life that until now has only ever been glimpsed from the outside. We are delighted to welcome the musical pioneer that is Budgie to the show.
Before all that Deb gets caught sneaking out of a film premier by Pauline Black and then has a smashing time with Phillip Glass.
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Richard Fearless is one of the UKs most enigmatic DJs and Producers and his Death in Vegas project is back with a brand new album 'Death Mask' (their 7th) on Drone Records this June. As a DJ Richard played a pivotal role in some of the countries most forward looking club nights from the infamous Job Club in the early 90s alongside the likes of Claude Young, Dave Angel and Andrew Weatherall to a stint at the controls of The Heavenly Social with the Chemical Brothers and latterly working alongside Daniel Avery at The Pickle Factory's Goo nights.
His Dj style is eclectic and visceral with casual disregard for genre specifics Richard developed a gritty style which served him well in terms of setting the tone of his fantastic Death in Vegas project.
From the break out success of the seminal track 'Dirge' to the uncompromising sound of the new album 'Death Mask' Richards music is always innovative and excitingly experimental. We are delighted to welcome Richard Fearless of Death in Vegas to the podcast.
Before that though, Eamon turns to the digital dark side at last....
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Our guest today is a maverick of music, an agent provocateur whose visually arresting image, razor sharp humour and mentally challenging music helped forge that most enduring of sub-cultures; 'Goth'. Back in the early 1980s when the post-punk counter culture embraced film noir and turned the technicolor of glam into a more sinister monochromatic look, festooned with spider webs, skulls and too much eye-liner Nik Fiend was one of the original bad-taste makers at London's The Batcave club. 'Alien Sex Fiend' along with 'The Specimen' and 'Sex Gang Children' made regular appearances at the infamous Batcave. Together they helped establish the look and feel of the early Goth scene in the south, where the likes of Nick Cave, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Bauhaus, Foetus, Robert Smith and even a freshly crimped and spiked Elizabeth Hurley were all regular attendees. The world has of course never been the same, and while music and fashion constantly evolve there is alway the reverberation of the gothic asthetic. Mr & Mrs Fiend continue to create and celebrate chaos around the world, finding success on US college radio, getting 'big in Japan' and spreading their tendrils throughout continental Europe. Uncompromising, often hilarious, always a little bit shocking Alien Sex Fiend are a national treasure who have been hidden in the basement for far too long.
Before we talk to Nik we do that thing we love to do, we talk about a completely different type of music! This month we are very pleased to speak to Alex Coles about his excellent book on Jazz Fusion. It is beautiful object and a fascinating discussion about how Jazz can be fused with all manner of musical styles and add to the overall effect. The discussion takes in Sinatra, Joni Mitchell, Charlie Mingus, Kendrick Lamar and Neneh Cherry.
We also set aside a few minutes to discussing the giant hole in Deb's flat.
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HELLO SERIES 5!
Today's guest today is a DJ, producer, composer and entrepreneur, Geoff Kirkwood. Professionally known as DJ Man Power he has built a solid reputation as an eclectic producer who nimbly steps between, Disco, House and Techno whilst casually stopping off along the way for grand scale projects, such as composing for the Royal Northern Sinfonia. His reputation as a DJ has seen him selected to curate a Radio 1 essential mix and allowed him to travel the world playing in legendary spots like Glastonbury, the Panorama bar in Berlin and Burning Man Festival in the USA. But perhaps the most important and interesting thing about this journey has been the way he has taken the culmination of these experiences and invested them in his home town of North Shields. Whether it is through breathing life into an old working mans club with his regular night 'Are you affiliated' or investing in a community hub close by, where creatives can collaborate and make their art on their terms, Geoff has kept his feet firmly on the ground whilst reaching for the stars and I am very excited to welcome DJ Man Power today on What Goes Around.
BEFORE THAT...
We talk to Patrick Clarke about his excellent new book about Soft Cell 'Bedsit Land'.
Deb gets the rap-beef update from Eamon and both of them decide that you should live your best life.
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The perfect pop star needs to have many attributes, rock solid songs, eye catching style, photogenic glamour and of course the type of personality that jumps off the page. Very few contenders manage to tick all of these boxes but when they do they make an impression on society that leaves an indelible mark. Alison Clarkson's alter ego Betty Boo had all these qualities in spades. Her music was magnetic, her style iconic and her personality projected confidence and rebellion, so much so that when the pop Svengali Chris Herbert decided to form the all conquering Spice Girls his brief was to find 5 Betty Boos. However Betty Boo was not the manufactured pop star you might expect, rather she was a determined young woman who studied audio production, wrote her own songs and fell in love with Hip-Hop at precisely the right time. After a period in the limelight Betty stepped back into the studio and continued to create music with the likes of Blur, Girls Aloud, Hear-say, Danni Minogue and Sophie Ellis-Bextor. Now back with a bang Betty Boo has a new album 'Rip up the rulebook' and her sound has matured but retains that dash of rebellious optimism that we all fell in love with back in the day.
It really is a pleasure to welcome the one and only Betty Boo to What Goes Around.
Before that Eamon gets infuriated about Stax Records and then finds refuge at a DONK Rave.
Betty in Maccie D's with the PE!
https://youtu.be/8PSbg7ynGqM?si=Ff5Q93SUO5jpeuOY
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There is an excellent film called 20 feet away from stardom that explores the world of the backing singer and how they flirt so near to the worlds of the pop megastar and yet always remain just out of camera shot, our guest today goes one better, often only a few feet away form the biggest names in show biz and yet nearly always in shot too. Colin G Paterson is the Arts & Entertainment Correspondant for the BBC and has worked as a presenter and journalist for over 20 years. From The Big Breakfast to 5Live to Glastonbury to the Oscars he has always been the man with the mic asking questions of the rich and famous and has done it all with wit and the sort of cheeky grin that gets answers. There are few people better placed to talk about the world of music from a fans point of view and that is why we are delighted to have Colin on the show today.
Tell someone about us eh?
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Our guest today is a music lover, spiritual wanderer and managerial heavyweight in the music industry. Rikki Stein can lay claim to some extraordinary feats including promoting the likes of Jimi Hendrix, The Kinks, The Animals, The Grateful Dead, Gregory Isaacs and perhaps most notably Afrobeat pioneer Fela Kuti.
This stellar resume would provide plenty of content for any musical memoir but this is just the eye catching summit of the iceberg. Moving Music reveals the full story of Rikki's life and it is a fascinating spiritual journey which touches upon some of the most important cultural events of the last 50 years - Rikki appears Forest Gump like beside a plethora of newsworthy moments and cultural flashpoints.
Moving Music describes London in the swinging 60s, the effect music had in the European mainland, the blossoming of flower power in the USA from The Chelsea Hotel to Woodstock, to the bad trip of Altamont. He describes the early days of Glastonbury and how he embraced the mystical music of Morocco, hung out with Gurus and became friends with the legendary Fela Kuti. If Im honest I think we would need two shows to pack it all in so I am excited to welcome Rikki Stein to What Goes Around.
Before we talk to Rikki we chat to Pop aficionado Ian Wade on his brilliantly entertaining new book 1984 The year pop went queer. We also spare a moment to talk about friend of the pod Ashley Beedle who has unfortunately fallen ill and needs a little help from his friends, Eamon and Deb are delighted to say his friends come through.
If you wish to make a donation to Ashley's ongoing medical expenses you can donate here:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ashley-beedles-fundraiser-for-urgent-help-and-ongoing-care
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Today we welcome a godfather of the UK Techno scene to the podcast, Karl O Connor aka Regis is the co-founder of one of the UKs most important Techno labels 'Downwards'. Over the last 30 years Downwards has been the home of an authentic, serious and often punishing techno sound that has somehow managed to uplift and excite clubbers across the world without even so much as a nod to conformity. Established in the early 90s by Karl and fellow DJ and producer Anthony Child (aka Surgeon), Downwards cut its own path through the post rave club scene with a militant style of electronica that became know as the Birmingham sound, placing it geographically in the heart of the UK but also culturally in the same bracket as Detroit, Berlin and London. Techno is a futuristic medium that is not given to longevity but Karl's work proves that where there is dedication and authenticity the music can survive and flourish across generations. I am very pleased to speak with Karl O Connor and ask him to make me believe in Techno.
Before we go techno we return to Eamon's favourite subject; David Bowie. Adam Steiner has written an incredibly detailed book all about Bowie's seminal 1981 album 'Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps). The book is a fans dream as Adam goes on the deepest of dives into the mythology of one of Bowie's greatest works placing the record firmly in its time and place by discussing the world into which it was released.
Not only that but Eamon becomes a teacher for a day.
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Our guest today is an artist drawn to the abstract, an artist with no love nor concern with the mainstream*, an artist happily dismantling expectations around music and sound and creating some of the most extraordinary and powerful bass music in the known universe.
Kevin Martin's early recordings were abrasive industrial tracks that challenged the listener to stay the course. His work with Justin Broderick (formerly of Napalm Death and Godflesh) came out under the moniker of Techno Animal and still sound as abstract and dangerous today as they did 30 years ago. However Martins sound continually evolved taking influences from Hip-Hop, Reggae and Dub until his current incarnation of The Bug was born.
The Bug released an incredible run of bass heavy tracks for Swamp 81, Ninja Tunes and Pressure Records. The Bugs 'London Zoo' album was heralded as a game changer in UK Bass music, bringing together some of the best MCs in the country such as Flowdan, Warrior Queen, Daddy Freddy, Tippa Irie and many more.
Kevin also recorded with King Midas Sound, Fennez and released a number of incredible ambient albums under his own name including his current release 'Black' a tribute to Amy Winehouse.
We are always looking out for people who totally commit to their music and that is why we are delighted to welcome Kevin Martin to the podcast.
Before that it's all Hot-Dogs and Gong-Baths.
*(May have some love and concern for the mainstream).
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Our guest today is a writer and actress who broke the mould as a stand up comedian in the first wave of Alternative comedy. Helen Lederer has appeared in some of the finest UK comedy shows over the last 40 years including Bottom, Absolutely Fabulous, Naked Video, French and Saunders, Girls On Top, The Young Ones and many, many more. She did stand up at a time when female comedians were few and far between and brightened up every single show she appeared in for decades. Helens new autobiography 'Not that I'm bitter' is a hilarious trip through accidents, apologies and awkward situations which never flinches and always brings a smile to your face. It is a real delight that we can welcome the brilliant Helen Lederer to 'What Goes Around'.
First off however we celebrate Pride month and take a journey into the world of Gay clubbing, we talk to Sy from The Phoenix about organising Bristol's Pride events and running an inclusive and friendly safe space for all in his pub. We also speak to Chris the resident DJ at 'Don't Tell Your Mother' one of Bristol's longest running Gay nights about community and longevity. To round things off we speak to the 'Girl on Girl' collective about their incredible lesbian events which break the musical mould by offering futuristic club music from around the world in a safe and creative space.
Before all that Deb gets her tidy on and imposes order on some oddly shaped pieces of cardboard while Eamon looks on in awe.
It is a bumper episode to celebrate Pride month and because of the issues that it raises we would like to invite you to show support for the LGBTQ+ community by donating to our selected charities - The Albert Kennedy Trust (which helps LGBTQ+ people who have been made homeless) and Young Minds (who offer support and practical help for young people dealing with their mental health). We never ask for money for these shows but just for once we would appreciate any help you can give to these very important charities.
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Our guest today is a pioneering reggae MC whose unique style not only changed the UK reggae scene but helped lay the foundations of British lyricism across the board. Anthony Henry aka Tippa Irie was a forerunner of the new Black British sound of reggae that went from domestic basements in South London to Top of the Pops and world recognition. Tippa's 'fast chat' style not only brought speed and eloquence of delivery to the fore but also crucially gave credibility to the sound of British MCs speaking in their own accents, referencing their own experiences and creating their own unique styles of music. What started in the reggae dancehalls opened up opportunities for the new generations of authentic Black British voices that went on to develop new genres such and Lovers Rock, Jungle and Grime. Over the last 40 years Tippa Irie has built a lasting legacy through his solo work and collaborations with the likes of Black Eyed Peas, Alexander O Neal, The Far East Band and Congo Natty aka The Rebel MC. Now at the age of 58 Tippa remains at the top of his game and has published a new book titled 'Stick to my roots' about his incredible journey through life and the music business, we are delighted to welcome a bona fide reggae legend to the show.
Before that however we talk to Justin Lewis about Pop trivia and Deb talks to Eamon about the endless FOMO a DJ feels when they move.
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Our guest today is one of the finest British soul singers of her generation. Whether leading the line or offering support from the background Dee C Lee has made an incredible contribution to the UKs music scene. She has created underground bangers and graced to the top ten both as a solo artist and as part of various collaborative projects. Having sung with the likes of Wham! The Style Council and as part of Guru's seminal Jazz Hip-Hop project Jazzamatazz. She has had and incredible career but now she is back front and centre with a new release on Acid Jazz records called 'Don't forget about love'.
Before we talk to Dee we add a little seasoning to the pod as Deb and Eamon sprinkle Sault into the chat. Eamon tries and fails to get angry while Sault no doubt put out yet another album.
Also featured this week is a discussion with writer and director Aaron Trinder whose latest film 'Free Party: A folk history' takes Eamon back to the glory days of rave and highlights the unsung history of the role that the traveller movement played in popularising the culture. We look at how the government tried to surpress the movement through blatant acts of violence and then used the rave scene as an excuse to pass draconian laws that have outlawed the traveller lifestyle and the right to listen to the music of your choice in the open air.
Top one, nice one, sorted.
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Our guest today is a trail blazing DJ, presenter and author who has carved herself a position of love and respect in the music industry that climaxed with a Lifetime Achievement Award from DJ magazine. Ever since she found her way into the DJ booth she has honed her own style, listening, learning and leading. DJ Paulette started her career in her home City of Manchester playing some of the most influential clubs in the history of house. She played the infamous 'Flesh' night at the Hacienda and began to create ripples that became waves that she surfed out to London, Brighton, Paris, Ibiza and the world. Her new book 'Welcome to the club' is a frank and funny look at club culture and the myth of the glamorous DJ lifestyle.
We also take a look at a fabulous new book about Robert Smith and The Cure by Simon Price called 'Curepedia'. It's a monumental coffee table companion for the Lovecats of this world which compiles the A-Z of this most enduring band.
But before we find The Cure and slip into the booth with Paulette, Deb and Eamon catch up with each other and compare their favourite gigs and festivals of the last year. It's basically Iron Maiden Vs Aphex Twin which is an unexpected heavy weight clash that leaves everyone stunned.
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Well hello pod fans, here's another beautiful chat about the greatest thing in all our lives, music. This time we have a true DJ legend, the incredible DJ Food is in the house. DJ Food aka Strictly Kev has been making breaks beats and visual treats for over 30 years now. His work with Ninja Tunes in the 90s brought so much joy and helped establish the label as one of the UK's most important imprints. Kev was Trip-Hop before it had the name, he was a pioneer of audio visual effects, supported the Beastie Boys at Brixton Academy and remixed Matt Johnson's The The with the kind of deft touch that few could match. Not only that he was genuinely one of the nicest people we have had on the show and even came over a night out! I think you are going to love this interview. Before all that though we are going to discuss bawdy women with Judith Owen, Judith is an incredible blues singer who has a new LP out celebrating the pioneering women of the the blues who laid the foundation for the likes of Megan Thee Stallion and Lil Kim long before women could even vote! At the top of the show Deb and Eamon discuss the their T-Shirt game and ask why men are so annoying. That's What Goes Around this week and we hope you love it!
BIG thanks to @Marke23 for hooking us up.
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This weeks episode contains one of my favourite interviews ever. Marshall Chess was literally born and raised in the record industry, his childhood was spent helping out his Dad in Chess Studios as they recorded the likes of Howlin Wolf, Muddy Waters, Etta James, Chuck Berry, Little Richard ... I could go on. The amazing thing is thats only the start of his amazing career, Marshall went on to start the Cadet label, signing Minnie Ripperton & rotary Connection amongst others before hooking up with Mick and Kieth to create Rolling Stones Records, then working with Sugarhill Records at the birth of Hip Hop and so much more. At 81 he is sharp as a tack and the stories simply poor out of him. This was supposed to be a 10 minute feature but turned into the main event, if you have any interest in R&B, the Blues, Rock n Roll and Hip-Hop you are in for a treat! Not only that but we talk to one of the worlds leading experts on Gospel Music DJ Greg Belson from his LA home. Before all that Deb returns to the eternal question of filing and Eamon excitedly tells all about the new radio station Love Will Save The Day FM. Even if you dont know these names you will love this episode I am sure.
Marshall Chess has a great YouTube page:
https://www.youtube.com/@ChessRecordsTribute
DJ Greg Belson has amazing music for you to hear;
https://www.mixcloud.com/gregbelson/stream/
Love will save the day can be found here every weekend:
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What Goes Around returns with another well balanced look at the world of music. In this episode we attempt to find equilibrium between the beautiful folk music of Kate Stables from This Is The Kit and the spittle festooned twin punk worlds of Agnostic Front and The Anti-Nowhere League. Somewhere carefully balanced in the middle stands our Deb as she finally moves to Manchester and gets her dream job. Not many podcasts haver this much range listeners.
Kate Stables from This is the Kit talks to us from her Paris apartment as her 6th album drops to enormous critical acclaim. We discuss listening, writing and mind blowing moments as the Parisian emergency services busy about their riot happy city.
Deb talks about her new life up north and the wee job she landed at 6Music.
Eamon returns to the world of music documentaries with two very different takes on the world of punk. From the US the 'Godfathers of Hardcore' Agnostic Front and from Royal Tunbridge Wells, The Anti-Nowhere League.
Buy Kate's amazing new album here:
https://www.roughtrade.com/gb/product/this-is-the-kit/careful-of-your-keepers
Watch both Punk documentaries on Amazon Prime.
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Welcome back to What Goes Around! This is the dance music special and we have the Crowd Controller himself DJ Billy 'Daniel' Bunter, if you are not familiar with this Rave legend then you really need to understand what a stalwart of the Rave scene he is. Daniel started his DJ career at the tender age of 14 playing the headline set at one of Londons most infamous clubs Labyrinth/2000AD at The 4 Aces in Dalston. Daniel grew up in the DJ booth watching the Rave scene evolve through many, many changes in style, mood and professionalism. It is estimated he has played to hundreds of thousands of people over the last 30+ years and remains a real force for positivity all these years later. So much so Daniel has founded a mental health charity to help those who are struggling in these difficult times. He has an incredible story to tell and we are delighted to have him on the show.
We are also delighted to welcome Emma Warren to the show, a hugely experienced writer on music culture Emma has now written one of the finest books on music and dancing we have ever read, 'Dance you way home: A journey through the dance floor' is a transformative tome on dance music culture which serves the initiated and those that find dance culture baffling equally well. IF you have never got the dance bug this book will explain why it affects people so powerfully and if you have loved the clubbing life for years you will discover a beautiful love letter to the culture. It really is that good and Emma is delightful company.
Plus Deb and Eamon are back discussing how the story of rave has been twisted and focused in many misleading ways, thankfully Eamon has found a missing piece of the puzzle in the form of an audio series that tells the Rave story from the perspective of the Midlands.
Daniel's excellent mental health charity can be found here:
https://safespacemovement.co.uk/
Emma's wonderful book can be found here:
https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571366033-dance-your-way-home/
Reflection Media Art's excellent audio series by Daylight Robbery Radio Docs can be heard here:
https://www.reflectionmediaart.com/films-1
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Another bumper episode for you pod fans. This week Comedian and radio presenter John Robins lets us into his personal archive of Phonographic Memories. John talks honestly and openly about being an odd kid, finding his tribe and falling head over heals for Americana. This is a really charming interview where John shares his vulnerability and passion for music. Some really deep choices here from a man who has deep feelings for the music in his life.
We also share two brilliant features about two simply brilliant books! First up we talk top Cherie Percy about the latest edition in the much heralded 33&1/3 book series which explores important albums with style and wit. Cherie takes on the underground sensation of ESG and reveals all about this mysterious New York funk band that captured the heart of Martin Hannet at Factory Records and the minds of countless Hip Hop heads who have sampled their music. It's a brilliant topic treated with the respect and love it deserves. We also take a trip to Berlin in the capable hands of Paul Hanford who opens up this infamous city to all with his excellent tome 'Coming to Berlin'. Paul is a delight to talk to and brings his passion for Berlin into focus for us.
Away from all that our heroes Deb and Eamon discuss the 2Tone documentary 'Dance Crazy' on its newly remastered release.
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John Robins:
Cherie Percy's ESG Book
https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/esgs-come-away-with-esg-9781501379192/
Let Paul Hanford show you around Berlin
https://boomkat.com/products/coming-to-berlin
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