In this conversation we’re reminded that Christlike growth is slow, honest, and rooted in the heart. It is focused on integrity over image.

In this vulnerable conversation, Gary Millar explores the call for leaders to live examined lives—marked by self-reflection, repentance, and a willingness to be shaped by God through both scripture and community. Real change doesn’t happen in isolation, and true maturity means letting others speak into our blind spots.

What does it take to lead with humility, courage, and a heart that stays soft before God?

Gary Millar is the Principal of Queensland Theological College, a respected theologian, and author known for his deep commitment to biblical preaching, pastoral leadership, and helping Christians grow in Christlikeness