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Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Zolberg Institute on Migration and Mobility
10 episodes
2 weeks ago
Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times examines Trump administration policies and actions affecting immigration and migrants and their communities. It adopts a broad perspective, seeing immigration policies in the context of constitutional law and principles, US history and our national narrative. The podcast is hosted by Alex Aleinikoff, Senior Fellow at the Zolberg Institute on Migration and Mobility, The New School; Hiroshi Motomura, Susan Westerberg Prager Distinguished Professor of Law at UCLA and Faculty Co-Director, Center for Immigration Law and Policy; and Cristina Rodriguez, Leighton Homer Surbeck Professor of Law at Yale Law School. Unsettled is produced with support from the Oscar M. Reubhausen Fund at Yale Law School, the Center for Immigration Law and Policy at the UCLA School of Law, and the Zolberg Institute for Migration and Mobility at The New School. Unsettled is produced by Sahil Ansari. The cover art was designed by Aam Creative. The music was composed by Achilles Kallergis.
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Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times examines Trump administration policies and actions affecting immigration and migrants and their communities. It adopts a broad perspective, seeing immigration policies in the context of constitutional law and principles, US history and our national narrative. The podcast is hosted by Alex Aleinikoff, Senior Fellow at the Zolberg Institute on Migration and Mobility, The New School; Hiroshi Motomura, Susan Westerberg Prager Distinguished Professor of Law at UCLA and Faculty Co-Director, Center for Immigration Law and Policy; and Cristina Rodriguez, Leighton Homer Surbeck Professor of Law at Yale Law School. Unsettled is produced with support from the Oscar M. Reubhausen Fund at Yale Law School, the Center for Immigration Law and Policy at the UCLA School of Law, and the Zolberg Institute for Migration and Mobility at The New School. Unsettled is produced by Sahil Ansari. The cover art was designed by Aam Creative. The music was composed by Achilles Kallergis.
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Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Season 2, Episode 1: The Trump Administration's War on Venezuelan Migrants

Jon Blitzer, staff writer for The New Yorker, discusses his recent article in the magazine, “Enemies of the State: How the Trump Administration declared war on Venezuelan migrants in the U.S.” In telling the story of a Venezuelan couple living in Chicago, one of whom was sent to CECOT, the notorious prison in El Salvador, and one deported to Venezuela, Blitzer lays bare the unconscionable policies of the Administration. He also describes his reporting on Aurora, Colorado, the city visited by Trump during the 2024 campaign and where Trump announced his plans to invoke the Alien Enemies Act.

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2 weeks ago
43 minutes 55 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 10: The Democrats and Immigration

Immigration was a salient issue in the 2024 presidential election and that it hurt Democrats. Arrivals and entries had skyrocketed under Biden. The so-called Biden “reset” late in his administration was to deter asylum claims at the border, work with Mexico and other countries to prevent flows, open up alternative legal pathways, including large parole programs for designated nationalities. But the efforts to close the border came too late, and they left very few people persuaded. And Democrats again were lambasted as the open border party, and overall support for US immigration policies seemed to be shifting.

However, the Trump administration has overreached. Even among Republicans, the change in sentiment is noteworthy.

Can the Democrats can come up with a narrative and a set of policies that can appeal to a wide swath of the American public. But what should those policies be? And can the Democrats shed the label as the party of open borders?

Our guest speaker is Frank Sharry, a longtime advocate and policy expert.

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3 months ago
1 hour 8 minutes 44 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 9: A Quiet Border and the End of Asylum?

This episode looks at the US-Mexico border, exploring questions such as: are the policies of the Trump administration legal? Where have the record numbers of migrants gone? Have the crises that contributed to the surges of asylum seekers–surges that also occurred during Trump 1.0, and the Obama years– abated? Can current circumstances be sustained through enforcement alone?

Our guest speakers are Lee Gelernt, Deputy Director of the ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project, and Gretchen Kuhner, Director El Instituto para las Mujeres en la Migración, a Mexican NGO that seeks to protect the rights of migrant women and families.

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3 months ago
1 hour 22 minutes

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 8: What's happening in Los Angeles?

This episode dives into the facts on the ground in Los Angeles, examining the protests that aim to counter the terror spread through the workplaces and neighborhoods of Los Angeles because of the ICE actions and augmented by a federalized National Guard and the deployment of US Marines.

Our guest speakers are from UCLA School of Law’s Center for Immigration Law and Policy: Ahilan Arulanantham, professor from practice and faculty co-director and Talia Inlander, the Center’s deputy director.

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4 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes 33 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 7: The Role of States and Localities

This episode explores how state and local governments significantly impact immigrants through policies that either support or resist federal enforcement. Some jurisdictions implement sanctuary measures to limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities and promote inclusion, such as offering in-state tuition to undocumented students. Under the Trump administration, there has been increased pressure on localities to participate in immigration enforcement, including efforts to penalize sanctuary jurisdictions through lawsuits, funding cuts, and legal threats. Our guest speaker is Muzzafar Chishti, Senior Fellow and Director, Migration Policy Institute office at NYU School of Law.

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5 months ago
54 minutes 54 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 6: What of the “homeless, tempest tost”?

This week, our hosts explore the closing of the US refugee resettlement program, Temporary Protected Status (TPS), and the asylum process. Our guest speaker is Mark Hetfield, President of HIAS

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5 months ago
50 minutes 33 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 5: Mass Deportation

In this episode, our co-hosts evaluate the Trump administration’s plans for mass deportations—their feasibility, legality, and likely consequences.

Our guest is Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, Senior Fellow, American Immigration Council.

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6 months ago
50 minutes 34 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 4: Birthright Citizenship

Amanda Frost discusses the Trump Administration’s desire to end birthright citizenship.

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6 months ago
50 minutes 35 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 3: Alien Enemies Act

This week, our hosts delve into the Alien Enemies Act of 1789, with guest speakers Liza Goitein & Katherine Yon Ebright.

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6 months ago
59 minutes 32 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Episode 2: The Khalil Case and the Constitution

Join a discussion about the Mahmoud Khalil Case, deportation power, and the Constitution. Guest speaker is Stephen I. Vladeck, Georgetown Law School.

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7 months ago
45 minutes 28 seconds

Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times
Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times examines Trump administration policies and actions affecting immigration and migrants and their communities. It adopts a broad perspective, seeing immigration policies in the context of constitutional law and principles, US history and our national narrative. The podcast is hosted by Alex Aleinikoff, Senior Fellow at the Zolberg Institute on Migration and Mobility, The New School; Hiroshi Motomura, Susan Westerberg Prager Distinguished Professor of Law at UCLA and Faculty Co-Director, Center for Immigration Law and Policy; and Cristina Rodriguez, Leighton Homer Surbeck Professor of Law at Yale Law School. Unsettled is produced with support from the Oscar M. Reubhausen Fund at Yale Law School, the Center for Immigration Law and Policy at the UCLA School of Law, and the Zolberg Institute for Migration and Mobility at The New School. Unsettled is produced by Sahil Ansari. The cover art was designed by Aam Creative. The music was composed by Achilles Kallergis.